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Coronainsanity

I aplogize....i must have been wrong about you. You clearly havent gone outside the last 2 years if you think the masses have been careful and gave 2 shits about prevention and limiting the spread of this virus.

I've been outside plenty the last two years and observed people mostly being cautious - I was but I got it anyway and as predicted, I barely got sick. And when I was sick (along w/ my family) we quarantined and took treatments available to us.

You clearly missed the millions of complaints about masks...and how people cant breathe thru them (proving doctors are unicorns since they can magically breath thru masks for entire 12 hour shifts).

Didn't hear ALL of them but I heard plenty and complained myself plenty but I wore the masks that don't work so Karens like you could go out without crying and curling up into a ball because you were going to die (not really but that's what literally every mask freak thought).

You clearly missed all the moms stating that masks are the cause of learning deficiencies...lmao.

They are and more. I was talking to a school administrator who was telling me about all the issues schools are now dealing with because of the masks and limits on socialization of children who despite what you say, aren't vulnerable to this virus. Laugh all you want, but it's really quite sad what we've taken away from children and the harms we've caused again just to placate chicken little Karens like you.

The countless false claims on vaccines....whether you agree with taking one or not....the fact that people just make shit up about them is mindblowing and half of that bad information gets onto Fox news and spreads as political bullshit.

yeah, nobody really believes the bullshit about microchips but again Karens like you attempt to lump anyone who points out real issues with these untested vaccines with conspiracy theorists and then you propogate your own more dangerous claims about vaccines like getting vaccinated protects other people from you. You still push that utter nonsense today.

Never demanded that anyone take a vaccine...only ever argued that getting the virus and treating it with whatever Joe Rogan tells you to treat it with isnt going to help....IN ANY WAY...eliminate this virus.

Yeah, you're wrong about that too. first, I didn't take any medical advice from Joe Rogan - I took all of it from medical doctors and the treatments I took worked. And the vaccine isn't eliminating this virus either, nor is it preventing mutation. You're wrong about 99% of what you say and you misrepresent virtually everything I've said.
 
Its not more mild because actual doctors say it's not more mild. People are dying less for several reasons. Mainly because omicron doesn't infect the lower lungs nearly as much as previous stains. And because vaccinations are higher. If you're trying to prove doing nothing works youre failing miserably.

You typed this literally immediately after you said it's not more mild - and you don't see how absurd that is. Classic. Then you immediately follow it up with a straw man. You're on a roll.
 
In the middle of a wave like this, while researchers are figuring out how infectious and how lethal and what side effects a variant is/has, I think 'are we trying hard enough to prevent spread?' is answered in part by 'are hospitals overrun?'

I don't understand why you'd focus so heavily on the lower lethality rate when the daily deaths are still high, hospitals are swamped, and employees are sick to the point of disrupting services.


it's the same argument he and his ilk (for lack of a better word) have been making, going back to March 2020, and haven't changed one bit, even as the bodies have piled up.
 
it's the same argument he and his ilk (for lack of a better word) have been making, going back to March 2020, and haven't changed one bit, even as the bodies have piled up.

The reality is that what is being weighed is behavior -vs- harm. There are a lot of factors in between with associated unknowns regarding what behaviors lead to what outcomes. When people argue about these things, how much are they trying to determine best practices going forward in comparison to how much they are trying to avoid feelings of guilt looking backwards?

I think part of it has to do with how a person see guilt as a function of what they knew at the time. You can be entirely responsible for something bad because you didn't understand the circumstances and I think different people attribute guilt differently in that situation. I don't feel bad about my early behavior when I was wearing no mask and then a cloth mask while I washed my hands all the time (and my groceries.) Now I know that behavior has a higher risk of passing along a disease that could hurt me or someone else, but I don't feel bad because I know I was doing the best I could with the information I had. I suspect that at least in some cases, some people can't update their beliefs with new information because they can't shake the feelings of guilt that would come with acknowledging that they may have caused harm to others.
 
The reality is that what is being weighed is behavior -vs- harm. There are a lot of factors in between with associated unknowns regarding what behaviors lead to what outcomes. When people argue about these things, how much are they trying to determine best practices going forward in comparison to how much they are trying to avoid feelings of guilt looking backwards?

I think part of it has to do with how a person see guilt as a function of what they knew at the time. You can be entirely responsible for something bad because you didn't understand the circumstances and I think different people attribute guilt differently in that situation. I don't feel bad about my early behavior when I was wearing no mask and then a cloth mask while I washed my hands all the time (and my groceries.) Now I know that behavior has a higher risk of passing along a disease that could hurt me or someone else, but I don't feel bad because I know I was doing the best I could with the information I had. I suspect that at least in some cases, some people can't update their beliefs with new information because they can't shake the feelings of guilt that would come with acknowledging that they may have caused harm to others.

Oh, I don't think guilt motivates anyone who was downplaying the threat of COVID in March 2020, refusing to mask up, or arguing against public health precautions/shutdowns/mask mandates. That would mean on some level they are decent human beings who have concern for other humans they aren't closely related to. Far from that, it turns out a lot of them don't even seem to care for other humans they ARE closely related to, for example, elderly parents or grandparents.

If I saw myself write that in March 2020, I might still feel a little ridiculous. Like "okay, you're just going for shock value here, but you actually believe most Americans are essentially decent people who would put on a mask if someone asked them nicely, and if you told them they had spread COVID to someone who died, or someone who eventually spread it to someone who did, they'd feel remorse."

Now? No, I don't.
 
In the middle of a wave like this, while researchers are figuring out how infectious and how lethal and what side effects a variant is/has, I think 'are we trying hard enough to prevent spread?' is answered in part by 'are hospitals overrun?'

I don't understand why you'd focus so heavily on the lower lethality rate when the daily deaths are still high, hospitals are swamped, and employees are sick to the point of disrupting services.

The fact is that Omicron is acting like a Natural Vaccine. We NEED it to spread as fast as possible, as wide as possible.

It has massive advantages over the artificial vaccine. It does not require money to create and is not subject to the logistical challenges. It is capable, if we do not attempt to limit its rate of spread, to infect billions within a few months. Now, that scares many people for the hospitals will be overwhelmed and it would shut down logistics...except it wouldn't.

The entire problem with Omicron has been the attempt to apply the same mask and quarantine restrictions. If we got past the quarantines, then anyone physically able to work would work. Yes, there would still be many hospitalized, but the vast majority of people would be working instead of being out sick when they have only mild symptoms, if any. Essentially, for those whose symptoms are similar to common cold, they can work.

This would keep infrastructure working, albeit at a slightly reduced capacity, my guess is 85-90%. It would be like that for about 3 months. Once Omicron has ripped through everywhere, it, and the other variants, would have few people to infect and Covid would likely disappear.

The masks and attempts to prevent spread have only served to delay the spread to the point where people get reinfected and/or the virus mutates.

None of that is to say the artificial vax is not important. It helps enough people who would potentially have severe Covid overcome Omicron that it is obviously important. The vax has been available long enough that anyone wanting it has had the opportunity.

The more mild symptoms and faster spread should have had doctors encouraging this plan as the way to eliminate it in the fastest way possible.

Now, many will rip into me for being cold-hearted and ignoring all those who will die. My response is that, in life, we sometimes face challenges without perfect solutions. Doctors at times have to amputate limbs or remove organs to save patients. Sometimes doctors have to decide between two patients, making the extremely difficult decision as to which of the 2 they will save while knowing it means death for the other.

Society in general is ill equipped to make such decisions. Doctors should be able and willing. It is equivalent to earthquakes, floods, and other natural disasters that result in doctors making tough choices. The fallacy too many doctors are currently following is that t s possible to save every patient.

The doctors needed to step up and lead us through this in a manner they would have if facing other natural disasters, or even man made ones such as wars.

Let it rip, acknowledge some will die but this is the best way to save the most people. And the additional benefit is saving the economy and providing the means for infrastructure to produce at high enough capacity that we are not running out of items in warehouses.

I personally see the shelves emptying yet again. My sister recently did an epideral for wife of a large grocery chain owner in Dallas. She asked him how things look. He said they are barely hanging on, but the warehouses are so depleted that a natural disaster happening right now that the usually supplied aid cannot be sent to help, because it just does not exist.

Yes, Covid sucks. We need everyone shoring up the infrastructure though, otherwise we might very well see millions more dying from starvation or lack of medical supplies to assist people who suffer wounds big or small, and the small ones becoming infected that result in potential amputations or deaths.

But too many people only see the "me" picture. They only are concerned about themselves not getting sick. They only think about their family or closest friends. The reality is the best, most effective treatment or the whole is to sacrifice the part.

Just because some of you cannot wrap your heads around this logical thought process does not make it any less true. We cannot protect everyone, and to approach this with the idea that we can is a waste of resources and being prepared for the opportunity to pivot and embrace something the likes of Omicron, changing tactics that will actually provide better long term results despite the short term challenges.

Dragging this out like we are will result in the short term being stretched into the long term and adding even more challenges to the situation which will cause greater long term issues.

So I look at the large drop in mortality rate and increase in contagiousness and I recognize the advantageous gift the Omicron provides us from Nature.

Maybe I die from my plan, maybe my entire family dies, I still hold that this is the best option for humans to move forward.
 
...and just because we've been here before, let's skip the next bit where you say you just have a problem with mandates and I say nobody was talking about mandates.

I didn't mention mandates. Hope that makes you happy despite the high probability that my prior post makes your head spin and probably creates a sense of anger and frustration. Deep down though, the logical scientist in you recognizes what I posted is accurate, no matter how difficult it is to actually accept.
 
The fact is that Omicron is acting like a Natural Vaccine. We NEED it to spread as fast as possible, as wide as possible.

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Youre leading with a statement you have NO IDEA is true. Just like vaccines no longer work for Omicron. You have no idea if antibodies for Omicron will work against future strains. Which is exactly why the focus should be on limiting spread. Not chalking it up to being "mild" and having a free for all to see who can get it the fastest lol. This thing has mutated 100s of times in 2 years so it can keep spreading and keep alive. Wishful thinking if you think its just going to give up one day and stop.
 
The reality is that what is being weighed is behavior -vs- harm. There are a lot of factors in between with associated unknowns regarding what behaviors lead to what outcomes. When people argue about these things, how much are they trying to determine best practices going forward in comparison to how much they are trying to avoid feelings of guilt looking backwards?

I think part of it has to do with how a person see guilt as a function of what they knew at the time. You can be entirely responsible for something bad because you didn't understand the circumstances and I think different people attribute guilt differently in that situation. I don't feel bad about my early behavior when I was wearing no mask and then a cloth mask while I washed my hands all the time (and my groceries.) Now I know that behavior has a higher risk of passing along a disease that could hurt me or someone else, but I don't feel bad because I know I was doing the best I could with the information I had. I suspect that at least in some cases, some people can't update their beliefs with new information because they can't shake the feelings of guilt that would come with acknowledging that they may have caused harm to others.

i think the debate is the definition of mild is very different for different groups of people. Which makes perfect sense since the media spends all their time spouting bullshit instead of defining it.

In my opinion a virus that is killing at the same amount of deaths per 7 days as delta is not mild. Then theres the camp of...."SEE....death rate went down .2%....its sooo mild!"
 
Oh, I don't think guilt motivates anyone who was downplaying the threat of COVID in March 2020, refusing to mask up, or arguing against public health precautions/shutdowns/mask mandates. That would mean on some level they are decent human beings who have concern for other humans they aren't closely related to. Far from that, it turns out a lot of them don't even seem to care for other humans they ARE closely related to, for example, elderly parents or grandparents.

If I saw myself write that in March 2020, I might still feel a little ridiculous. Like "okay, you're just going for shock value here, but you actually believe most Americans are essentially decent people who would put on a mask if someone asked them nicely, and if you told them they had spread COVID to someone who died, or someone who eventually spread it to someone who did, they'd feel remorse."

Now? No, I don't.

I'm not saying that's why people decided what they decided in 2020. I'm saying it's why some can't update their beliefs now, with tons more information available. March 2020, nobody they know has been impacted, their favorite sources of information say it's no big deal, so they continue with risky behavior. Eventually, it could have dawned on them that covid was a bigger deal than they initially thought, but the process of the stakes rising for reversing course is gradual. Fast forward to today, there's reports of 800k deaths and maybe some in their neighborhoods so the numbers have to be exaggerated and the vaccine and masks have to have made no difference because the alternative is guilt.

No, gas prices went up because of Joe Biden's secret executive order to raise gas prices and that caused all the supply chain issues and this is all somebody else's fault. Probably migrants and AOC.
 
I didn't mention mandates. Hope that makes you happy despite the high probability that my prior post makes your head spin and probably creates a sense of anger and frustration. Deep down though, the logical scientist in you recognizes what I posted is accurate, no matter how difficult it is to actually accept.

This is not true.

All the stuff I said about people not changing their minds to avoid feelings of guilt? I believe that applies to a lot of people, like a significant percentage of the people at this point, but probably not you. I have no idea why you think the things you think.
 
QUOTE=Gulo Blue;1037174]This is not true.

All the stuff I said about people not changing their minds to avoid feelings of guilt? I believe that applies to a lot of people, like a significant percentage of the people at this point, but probably not you. I have no idea why you think the things you think.[/QUOTE]

What part is not true?
 
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What part is not true?

I don't recognize what you said as accurate. (and my head isn't spinning and I'm not frustrated or angry - I don't even know what I'm saying that could be projecting that.)
 
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Youre leading with a statement you have NO IDEA is true. Just like vaccines no longer work for Omicron. You have no idea if antibodies for Omicron will work against future strains. Which is exactly why the focus should be on limiting spread. Not chalking it up to being "mild" and having a free for all to see who can get it the fastest lol. This thing has mutated 100s of times in 2 years so it can keep spreading and keep alive. Wishful thinking if you think its just going to give up one day and stop.

Pay attention.

Omicron is now estimated at being 99.5% dominant. It is pushing out all other variants. That is in essence the way in which it works like a natural vaccine.

Just because you cannot grasp a concept does not make it untrue.
 
?Mandates? Mandates? We talkin? about practice. Not mandates. We talkin? about practice. We talkin? about practice. Not mandates. Not mandates. We talkin? about practice.?
 
i think the debate is the definition of mild is very different for different groups of people. Which makes perfect sense since the media spends all their time spouting bullshit instead of defining it.

In my opinion a virus that is killing at the same amount of deaths per 7 days as delta is not mild. Then theres the camp of...."SEE....death rate went down .2%....its sooo mild!"

Wow, do you ever understand math?

I said it has dropped down TO 0.2% from over 1%. That is a massive drop, especially when talking about millions of people.

You seriously need to hire a math tutor.
 
I don't recognize what you said as accurate. (and my head isn't spinning and I'm not frustrated or angry - I don't even know what I'm saying that could be projecting that.)

Which part do you view as inaccurate?
 
Hospitals being swamped is enough of a reason to not want omicron to tear through the population any faster than it is (and it doesn't seem to be all that fast - a million cases a day would take a year to sweep through the US population).

This naturally occurring variant is more untested than the vaccines, and people just want to go ahead and get it to everyone? We don't have stats on the long term effects, or even the mid-long-term effects. How many people are feeling lethargic or experiencing brain fog. We don't know. Any change it will correlate with an increase in Parkinson's later they way past flu pandemics with similar symptoms did? I sure hope not.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684089/
 
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