Coronainsanity

[mhughes0021]

Wow, do you ever understand math?

I said it has dropped down TO 0.2% from over 1%. That is a massive drop, especially when talking about millions of people.

You seriously need to hire a math tutor.

Do you understand math....the same number of people are dying as back in Sept when the dreaded delta variant was dominant. Yet this one is somehow "mild".

 

[zyxt9]

Do you understand math....the same number of people are dying as back in Sept when the dreaded delta variant was dominant. Yet this one is somehow "mild".

Seriously, go get a fucking math tutor to explain it.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Which part do you view as inaccurate?

It is capable, if we do not attempt to limit its rate of spread, to infect billions within a few months. Now, that scares many people for the hospitals will be overwhelmed and it would shut down logistics...except it wouldn't.

I think billions of infections within a few months would overwhelm hospitals.

If we got past the quarantines, then anyone physically able to work would work.

As pointed out in the very first paper that modeled 2.2 million deaths - those result were unreasonable because many people will stay home in reaction to the disease without quarantines.

This would keep infrastructure working, albeit at a slightly reduced capacity, my guess is 85-90%. It would be like that for about 3 months.

I think capacity would drop more and it would take longer.

Once Omicron has ripped through everywhere, it, and the other variants, would have few people to infect and Covid would likely disappear.

I think Covid would (and will) continue to evolve, like the cold does, and become able to re-infect people that previously had it (as it already has)

The masks and attempts to prevent spread have only served to delay the spread to the point where people get reinfected and/or the virus mutates.

I believe mutation scales with the number of infected people, not just time. More spread would lead to faster mutation.

 

[Spartanmack]

?Mandates? Mandates? We talkin? about practice. Not mandates. We talkin? about practice. We talkin? about practice. Not mandates. Not mandates. We talkin? about practice.?

I refuse to practice the mandate.

 

[zyxt9]

Hospitals being swamped is enough of a reason to not want omicron to tear through the population any faster than it is (and it doesn't seem to be all that fast - a million cases a day would take a year to sweep through the US population).

This naturally occurring variant is more untested than the vaccines, and people just want to go ahead and get it to everyone? We don't have stats on the long term effects, or even the mid-long-term effects. How many people are feeling lethargic or experiencing brain fog. We don't know. Any change it will correlate with an increase in Parkinson's later they way past flu pandemics with similar symptoms did? I sure hope not.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4684089/

Precisely why we need to let it rip.

Do you comprehend that we are having infrastructure problems that continually build up due to prolonging this? What happens when the infrastructure collapses?

I'm guessing, since you are an intelligent person (legit, I respect your intelligence) you can puzzle through the different scenarios from least impact to greatest. What is your estimate on how bad that would be in terms of least bad.

I'm not saying it would be like The Fall of Rome causing Dark Ages levels of bad, I highly doubt it would reach that extreme, but I do not think a Great Depression is out of scope, especially with current increases in inflation and debt.

Some estimates are that the GD resulted in 120 million deaths, roughly 12 million per year. So far reports are Covid has killed under 6 million, so let's call it 3 million per year.
Last year around 9 million people died from starvation.

Again, letting Omicron rip is like a doctor making the tough decision to amputate a body part. It an also be equated to a military strategist knowingly sacrificing a group of personnel in order to win a battle or war, or consider the decision to drop the atomic bombs vs invading Japan.

There will never be 100% agreement that the correct choice was made in these situations. There will always be those who believe an alternative option is better. But there is also the understood Analysis Paralysis syndrome that can take hold that results in even worse consequences due to inaction.

 

[mhughes0021]

Seriously, go get a fucking math tutor to explain it.

Called the math tudor. He said when the same number equals the same number for instance X = X. Then theres no reason to define the other X as less than anything. less mild included.

 

[mhughes0021]

I've been outside plenty the last two years and observed people mostly being cautious - I was but I got it anyway and as predicted, I barely got sick. And when I was sick (along w/ my family) we quarantined and took treatments available to us.



Didn't hear ALL of them but I heard plenty and complained myself plenty but I wore the masks that don't work so Karens like you could go out without crying and curling up into a ball because you were going to die (not really but that's what literally every mask freak thought).



They are and more. I was talking to a school administrator who was telling me about all the issues schools are now dealing with because of the masks and limits on socialization of children who despite what you say, aren't vulnerable to this virus. Laugh all you want, but it's really quite sad what we've taken away from children and the harms we've caused again just to placate chicken little Karens like you.



yeah, nobody really believes the bullshit about microchips but again Karens like you attempt to lump anyone who points out real issues with these untested vaccines with conspiracy theorists and then you propogate your own more dangerous claims about vaccines like getting vaccinated protects other people from you. You still push that utter nonsense today.



Yeah, you're wrong about that too. first, I didn't take any medical advice from Joe Rogan - I took all of it from medical doctors and the treatments I took worked. And the vaccine isn't eliminating this virus either, nor is it preventing mutation. You're wrong about 99% of what you say and you misrepresent virtually everything I've said.

It funny...you call me a Karen. And then proceded to type answers of EVERYTHING a karen would say. Like you either dont understand the definition of what a Karen is. Or youre so blindly a Karen you dont want to admit it so you just start calling other people one to try to pass it off.

Let me help you. A Karen is someone who will defend their rights SOOOOO much that they literally transform themselves into whiny bratty 6 years olds. They sit in the middle of grocery stores because of their rights not to wear a mask. They love their rights so much eventhough 99% of them are too fucking stupid to even tell you where their rights are located or how to look them up. They dont even truly understand what their rights are....but they will look like complete fucking idiots defending them. Rights are more important than protecting others. 1 more important than all....selfishness....Karen.

Sound familiar? Tell us the truth Spartan...how many poor underpaid cashiers have you gone off on the past 2 years?

 

[Gulo Blue]

Precisely why we need to let it rip.

Do you comprehend that we are having infrastructure problems that continually build up due to prolonging this? What happens when the infrastructure collapses?

I'm guessing, since you are an intelligent person (legit, I respect your intelligence) you can puzzle through the different scenarios from least impact to greatest. What is your estimate on how bad that would be in terms of least bad.

I'm not saying it would be like The Fall of Rome causing Dark Ages levels of bad, I highly doubt it would reach that extreme, but I do not think a Great Depression is out of scope, especially with current increases in inflation and debt.

Some estimates are that the GD resulted in 120 million deaths, roughly 12 million per year. So far reports are Covid has killed under 6 million, so let's call it 3 million per year.
Last year around 9 million people died from starvation.

Again, letting Omicron rip is like a doctor making the tough decision to amputate a body part. It an also be equated to a military strategist knowingly sacrificing a group of personnel in order to win a battle or war, or consider the decision to drop the atomic bombs vs invading Japan.

There will never be 100% agreement that the correct choice was made in these situations. There will always be those who believe an alternative option is better. But there is also the understood Analysis Paralysis syndrome that can take hold that results in even worse consequences due to inaction.

Our infrastructure problems are bigger than covid and predate it. It's a brittle structure full of cracks. The harder it's hit as a shock, the more that will break that won't be rebuilt, but will hopefully evolve as something else. It's tempting to see that as regenerative and restorative and best to just get on with, but it's not on the timescale of the chapters of a person's life. I think if we let her rip, the resulting hit would be so deep, and recovery so slow, it would accelerate the bifurcation of our economy, with solutions that cater only to the restoration of services to the wealthy coming quickly, and empty storefronts and fewer choices for the poor continuing for decades in more cases. More business would close where nothing would replace them, and the entire life trajectory of people will be less productive.

It is far better to do what we can to prevent spread, taking precautions that minimize disruption (like masking and vaccination), because letting the shit hit the fan won't lead to infrastructure improvements. It will lead to an excuse to leave those without means unserved.

 

[Spartanmack]

It funny...you call me a Karen. And then proceded to type answers of EVERYTHING a karen would say. Like you either dont understand the definition of what a Karen is. Or youre so blindly a Karen you dont want to admit it so you just start calling other people one to try to pass it off.

Let me help you. A Karen is someone who will defend their rights SOOOOO much that they literally transform themselves into whiny bratty 6 years olds. They sit in the middle of grocery stores because of their rights not to wear a mask. They love their rights so much eventhough 99% of them are too fucking stupid to even tell you where their rights are located or how to look them up. They dont even truly understand what their rights are....but they will look like complete fucking idiots defending them. Rights are more important than protecting others. 1 more important than all....selfishness....Karen.

Sound familiar? Tell us the truth Spartan...how many poor underpaid cashiers have you gone off on the past 2 years?

I call you a Karen because you are a Karen - I'm advocating informed consent and followed virtually every protocol other than the vaccine and that's what I typed. Karen's aren't the people defending their own rights - they're the people demanding others believe what they believe and do as they do. I'm doing none of that. What i've said and advocates is not what a Karen would say or do - Karen's are the people pepper spraying couples eating lunch outdoor near her dog park because they're not wearing masks. Karens are morons who don't understand math who constantly tell other people they don't understand math. Here's the dictionary.com definition of a Karen:

Karen is a pejorative slang term for an obnoxious, angry, entitled, and often racist middle-aged white woman who uses her privilege to get her way or police other people?s behaviors.

That's you - you're a Karen.

edit: and to answer your question, zero. I don't lose my temper or ask for a manager over delayed or incorrect orders. If I feel like I'm being treated poorly or inappropriately, I simply take my business elsewhere in the future. I also don't go onto FB forums or yelp to leave bad reviews. I've had a lot of shitty jobs in my lifetime including service jobs like waiting tables and tending bar - so I tip well and am always cordial to waiters, cashiers, sales clerks, etc.

 

[mhughes0021]

I call you a Karen because you are a Karen - I'm advocating informed consent and followed virtually every protocol other than the vaccine and that's what I typed. Karen's aren't the people defending their own rights - they're the people demanding others believe what they believe and do as they do. I'm doing none of that. What i've said and advocates is not what a Karen would say or do - Karen's are the people pepper spraying couples eating lunch outdoor near her dog park because they're not wearing masks. Karens are morons who don't understand math who constantly tell other people they don't understand math. Here's the dictionary.com definition of a Karen:



That's you - you're a Karen.

Funny how i dont understand math when everyone on here was not understanding how Increasing a denominator (infections) will impact a ratio. Especially when the Numerator (deaths) has had 0 time to be impacted.

holding the numerator constant while drastically increasing the denominator and what do you get? a fucking smaller number everyone gets to label as "mild". Eventhough some of those people will: still die, live with a medical condition they never had prior to getting covid, etc.

But im the dumb one....

 

[Spartanmack]

Funny how i dont understand math when everyone on here was not understanding how Increasing a denominator (infections) will impact a ratio. Especially when the Numerator (deaths) has had 0 time to be impacted.

holding the numerator constant while drastically increasing the denominator and what do you get? a fucking smaller number everyone gets to label as "mild". Eventhough some of those people will: still die, live with a medical condition they never had prior to getting covid, etc.

But im the dumb one....

there's hope for you yet.

And literally everyone understood that disproportionately increasing the denominator would drive the ratio lower. They also understand that Omicron is milder because doctors say it's manifesting in milder symptoms and killing people at a much lower rate. It's more infectious but less severe - could result in roughly the same number of deaths as some other variants, but that doesn't mean it's not milder.

 

[mhughes0021]

They also understand that Omicron is milder because doctors say it's manifesting in milder symptoms and killing people at a much lower rate. It's more infectious but less severe - could result in roughly the same number of deaths as some other variants, but that doesn't mean it's not milder.

This is literally all ive been saying the last 2 weeks....thanks for finally understanding. Theres hope for you yet.

And ill reiterate my definition of mild...shouldnt mean the same number of people die. A "mild" virus should equate to some sniffles...maybe a cough or 2. Not people dying at the same clip as before. My next ask for you is to realize that "mild" is being misrepresented to the masses.

You are using "mild" to mean your % chance to die is less than previous variants....which is true. The masses are using "mild" to mean...its not a big deal and we should be able to do whatever i want cause its not going to impact me. Thats completely untrue....ill give you a close to home example 8 kids out of 20 are sick with covid right now in my daughters 3rd grade class. Thats more of a learning deficiency than any mask...

And PS...apply that to the economy. If 9 million people called out sick from work in Jan. What does that do to productivity. How different is that productivity number vs being in a lockdown?

So everyone gets sick...america continues to suck....and we just point the finger at Joe Biden cause people arent good at pointing the finger at themselves because their rights are too important to them.

 

[Spartanmack]

This is literally all ive been saying the last 2 weeks....thanks for finally understanding. Theres hope for you yet.

No, it's not what you've been saying.

And ill reiterate my definition of mild...shouldnt mean the same number of people die. A "mild" virus should equate to some sniffles...maybe a cough or 2. Not people dying at the same clip as before. My next ask for you is to realize that "mild" is being misrepresented to the masses.

Here's where you seem to go off the rails every time - people aren't dying at the same clip. And mild is NOT being misrepresented to the masses. It is both less severe (milder) and less deadly than Delta and other variants, but more contagious.

You are using "mild" to mean your % chance to die is less than previous variants....which is true. The masses are using "mild" to mean...its not a big deal and we should be able to do whatever i want cause its not going to impact me. Thats completely untrue....ill give you a close to home example 8 kids out of 20 are sick with covid right now in my daughters 3rd grade class. Thats more of a learning deficiency than any mask...

No, I'm using "mild" to mean less severe symptoms AND less deadly. I won't speak for the masses but I don't think they're using it the way you're accusing them of. And 8 kids our for a week isn't a big deal, most likely they're not very sick at all - they're out because of the protocols, as they should be. Masking kids for two years, making them go virtual for most of a year or just leaving them hanging as they did in E Lansing because not everyone had access to technology for remote learning (my nieces and nephews did NOTHING for 3 months - literally zero school work for a disease that wasn't a threat to them) that's far worse than kids missing 1 week of school over that same time period.

And PS...apply that to the economy. If 9 million people called out sick from work in Jan. What does that do to productivity. How different is that productivity number vs being in a lockdown?

So everyone gets sick...america continues to suck....and we just point the finger at Joe Biden cause people arent good at pointing the finger at themselves because their rights are too important to them.

this is the most tone deaf piece you've posted in weeks. It's as if you're completely ignorant of what's happened over the last two years. Look at the shape we're in economically - large parts of this country were in extended lockdown and we still haven't recovered from it. Biden brags about job creation - the US is still 4mm jobs short of prepandemic levels - virtually all of that is concentrated in lockdown states as places like Florida and Texas have recovered because they didn't lock down. People leaving the workforce account for a huge portion of the decline in unemployment.

 

[tigermud]

Informed consent activists are posting hundreds of billboards across America that will warn motorists about the alarming rate of vaccine injuries, as reported in the government?s own VAERS database.

The billboards, purchased by a group called Banners 4 Freedom, are popping up in states across the US, and organizers say they?re a great way to circumvent the mainstream media?s censorship of vaccine adverse reactions.

 

[mhughes0021]

Informed consent activists are posting hundreds of billboards across America that will warn motorists about the alarming rate of vaccine injuries, as reported in the government?s own VAERS database.

The billboards, purchased by a group called Banners 4 Freedom, are popping up in states across the US, and organizers say they?re a great way to circumvent the mainstream media?s censorship of vaccine adverse reactions.

Darwinism. People that are too weak to get a tiny little vaccine should get injured.

 

[Spartanmack]

Informed consent activists are posting hundreds of billboards across America that will warn motorists about the alarming rate of vaccine injuries, as reported in the government?s own VAERS database.

The billboards, purchased by a group called Banners 4 Freedom, are popping up in states across the US, and organizers say they?re a great way to circumvent the mainstream media?s censorship of vaccine adverse reactions.

they didn't all die though, but they probably would have if they didn't get the vaccine so really that billboard is also saying 1mm+ people saved by the vaccine.

 

[tigermud]

they didn't all die though, but they probably would have if they didn't get the vaccine so really that billboard is also saying 1mm+ people saved by the vaccine.

I think Tinsel is right, hughes is a troll, sometimes his retorts are just so blatantly dumb ya just stare blanking off into space and wait for a few brain cells to die.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I think Tinsel is right, hughes is a troll, sometimes his retorts are just so blatantly dumb ya just stare blanking off into space and wait for a few brain cells to die.

With every post, he comes with all the stupid I sometimes sarcastically provide with zero of the funny.

 

[mhughes0021]

I think Tinsel is right, hughes is a troll, sometimes his retorts are just so blatantly dumb ya just stare blanking off into space and wait for a few brain cells to die.

So it's OK to spout Darwinism for those that die of covid. But not for those that get injured from something 9 year olds can handle with ease. Hypocrite much?

250 million vaccinated. Let's put up billboards for the 1 million that couldn't handle it. How many of those 1 million "injured" claimed their arm hurt? Lmao... whaaaaaaaaaa! Poor cry babies.

 

[mhughes0021]

With every post, he comes with all the stupid I sometimes sarcastically provide with zero of the funny.

We can read... we all know how stupid you are.