Coronainsanity

[Michchamp]

how are you going to close the borders when thousands of people are walking across them every day?

I think, from an infectious disease standpoint - at least for a fast spreading respiratory disease like COVID - the biggest risk is not a slow-moving mob of people on foot who've been around the same people the entire time, many (most?) of whom are rounded up and detained upon entering the US... it's the air travelers jaunting off for weekly trips abroad, mingling at bars, restaurants, museums, etc. then flying back home.

But of course, those people are often 1%ers who have political power & clout in this country, so they won't shut down air travel, or require 14 day quarantines (enforced by the actual law enforcement, jail time and fines).

Could you imagine the squeals of outrage in the media if some banker's kid at Harvard got charged with violating quarantine, and his dad actually had to shell out $$$ to hire lawyers to defend little Preston or Madison when they flew back to NYC from a semester in Rome or Madrid and then were immediately spotted spreading COVID around Manhattan night clubs?

Jail is not for THOSE people...

 

[Spartanmack]

I'm not blaming the US on omicron. Although it's our fault it got here... don't want a strain to hit our nation.... then close off your borders. I can give 2 shits if people from south Africa can travel here. Someone said it's the govts job to protect their people... another colossal failure letting omicron get here from halfway around the globe.

It will more likely than not be the fault of an anti vaxer that new mutations and stains emerge.

how do you square this with the fact that the vaccine doesn't prevent you from being infected or transmitting the disease? Why is the virus less likely to mutate in a vaccinated host vs unvaccinated host when the only difference is the latter are more likely to express symptoms?

 

[Spartanmack]

I think, from an infectious disease standpoint - at least for a fast spreading respiratory disease like COVID - the biggest risk is not a slow-moving mob of people on foot who've been around the same people the entire time, many (most?) of whom are rounded up and detained upon entering the US... it's the air travelers jaunting off for weekly trips abroad, mingling at bars, restaurants, museums, etc. then flying back home.

But of course, those people are often 1%ers who have political power & clout in this country, so they won't shut down air travel, or require 14 day quarantines (enforced by the actual law enforcement, jail time and fines).

Could you imagine the squeals of outrage in the media if some banker's kid at Harvard got charged with violating quarantine, and his dad actually had to shell out $$$ to hire lawyers to defend little Preston or Madison when they flew back to NYC from a semester in Rome or Madrid and then were immediately spotted spreading COVID around Manhattan night clubs?

Jail is not for THOSE people...

so you think they're only exposed to each other over thousands of miles of travel from different countries? some border crossers are coming from other continents. Also, they're not just being detained at the border, they're being flown all over the country and settled virtually every state without being screened for the virus. It's safe to say the vast majority are coming from countries with much lower vaccination rates than the US.

Now let's compare them to inbound foreign air travelers. From the CDC's website...non-citizen and non-immigrant travelers who enter the US are required by the CDC to show proof of FULL vaccination before traveling by air into the US. In addition, all air passengers ages 2 or older, regardless of citizenship or vaccination status, must show a negative result of a COVID-19 viral test or documentation of recovery from COVID-19 before they board a flight to the United States. Here's the link to the CDC web page that details the requirements.

Looks like your bit about Harvard MBA candidates recklessly spreading COVID because Fauci is afraid of their parents is just more class warfare bullshit. Anyone else shocked by that? The idea that illegal border crossers are less likely to carry and spread a virus is as dumb as the argument that they commit less crimes once they're here.

 

[zyxt9]

Provide the details of how I contradicted myself.

Champ, I'm still waiting. You made an accusation about my posts. I'm still waiting for you to detail your view.

I even used few words in the request, just for you.

 

[tigermud]

Brits pulls back from the brink of tyranny

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/england-ends-all-covid-passports-mask-mandates-work-restrictions


And PJW seems to approve


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ0O6PpqABA&feature=youtu.be

 

[tigermud]

In recent days, the pandemic narrative has undergone a remarkable number of U-turns

• January 9, 2022, CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky sent out a tweet saying ?We must protect people with comorbidities from severe COVID-19,? in other words, focused protection, which is what tens of thousands of doctors have been calling for since the creation of The Great Barrington Declaration in early October 2020.

• January 10, 2022, Walensky admitted that the COVID shots cannot prevent transmission.

• The CDC is now saying you should not retest once you?ve recovered from COVID, as the PCR can provide false positives for up to 12 weeks after the infection has been resolved. They?re also cutting the isolation requirement from 10 to just five days ? probably because the failing economy is hurting Biden?s approval rating so they need people to work.

• The narrative is also changing on what makes for a COVID case and how deaths are counted. Walensky recently admitted about 40% of ?COVID patients? tested positive but do not have symptoms and are hospitalized for something else. She has also promised to deliver data on how many people have actually died ?from? COVID and how many died ?with? it

As noted by Dr. Ron Paul in the January 10, 2022, Liberty Report above, U.S. authorities have suddenly started to change their tune with regard to COVID and the COVID shots.

?The opposition to our position are starting to wake up,? Paul says, as some shreds of truth are actually starting to be acknowledged. The good news, Paul says, is that ?Maybe some of the things they?ve been saying are not quite accurate, and maybe what we?ve been saying is closer to the truth, and maybe they?re starting to recognize that.?


https://www.infowars.com/posts/pandemic-narrative-undergoes-radical-u-turn/

 

[Spartanmack]

Hmmm...CDC data shows people who had recovered from a prior COVID infection had lower case and hospitalization rates during the Delta wave than those who were vaccinated.

and now that the CDC is admitting that the vax doesn't work against omicron, a CDC epidemiologist Benjamin Silk is still saying "We know that vaccination remains the safest strategy for protecting against COVID-19." I wonder how many PFE and MRNA stock options Ben owns.

 

[tigermud]

Hmmm...CDC data shows people who had recovered from a prior COVID infection had lower case and hospitalization rates than those who were vaccinated.

This matches my personal observation in Nov when I and half my town had Delta, I know of two people that had the original in 2020 who were exposed often to delta and never came down with it.

In other news not so sure same will hold true for Omicron, my wife is sick already again, odds are it's Omi, so far more mild and from what I hear on ave should only last 2-3 days given just got beyond Delta in Nov/Dec. odds are I'll end up with it also in another day or so.

 

[tomdalton22]

from the same article

The data also confirmed something we?ve known for a long time: Those who weren?t vaccinated and also hadn?t been previously infected were far more likely to be infected and hospitalized than either group.

 

[Spartanmack]

from the same article

The data also confirmed something we?ve known for a long time: Those who weren?t vaccinated and also hadn?t been previously infected were far more likely to be infected and hospitalized than either group.

yeah, that's been known for awhile. the admission that the recovered had better outcomes than the vaccinated was the noteworthy piece of information. part of a trend highlighted by Mud in post #5266 of data coming out that's contradicting prior claims and guidance. And there are a few others, like the admission about masks. Sadly, the damage from policies driven by these fears has been done.

 

[Michchamp]

yeah, that's been known for awhile. the admission that the recovered had better outcomes than the vaccinated was the noteworthy piece of information. part of a trend highlighted by Mud in post #5266 of data coming out that's contradicting prior claims and guidance. And there are a few others, like the admission about masks. Sadly, the damage from policies driven by these fears has been done.

Dr. spartanhack recommends all his patients go out and get sick with COVID, instead of getting vaccinated, to own teh Libs.

if you die, well, Eugenics professor zyxt will commend you for removing your inferior genes from the human race.

 

[tomdalton22]

Dr. spartanhack recommends all his patients go out and get sick with COVID, instead of getting vaccinated, to own teh Libs.

if you die, well, Eugenics professor zyxt will commend you for removing your inferior genes from the human race.

yeah, that's been known for awhile. the admission that the recovered had better outcomes than the vaccinated was the noteworthy piece of information. part of a trend highlighted by Mud in post #5266 of data coming out that's contradicting prior claims and guidance. And there are a few others, like the admission about masks. Sadly, the damage from policies driven by these fears has been done.

for me the fact that recovering from COVID and/or getting the "vaccine" both help keep people from dying is a good thing. I chose to get the vaccine hoping I wouldn't get sick. Some people might prefer to get sick so they don't get sick.

to each their own

 

[Spartanmack]

Dr. spartanhack recommends all his patients go out and get sick with COVID, instead of getting vaccinated, to own teh Libs.

if you die, well, Eugenics professor zyxt will commend you for removing your inferior genes from the human race.

yet another straw man - I guess you have no choice when it's all you've got...

 

[Spartanmack]

for me the fact that recovering from COVID and/or getting the "vaccine" both help keep people from dying is a good thing. I chose to get the vaccine hoping I wouldn't get sick. Some people might prefer to get sick so they don't get sick.

to each their own

I chose to not take the untested vaccine because of the very low probability that I would actually get severely sick or die if I got infected. the incremental reduction in that very low risk didn't seem worth the risk of unknown negative side effects of a vaccine that hadn't been tested and had no long term history.

I've never told anyone not to take the vaccine.

 

[tomdalton22]

I chose to not take the untested vaccine because of the very low probability that I would actually get severely sick or die if I got infected. the incremental reduction in that very low risk didn't seem worth the risk of unknown negative side effects of a vaccine that hadn't been tested and had no long term history.

I've never told anyone not to take the vaccine.

I know you didn't, and it's perfectly reasonable to not want to risk the unknown.

My last comment was me just trying to be funny. Sometimes I fail.

 

[Spartanmack]

I know you didn't, and it's perfectly reasonable to not want to risk the unknown.

My last comment was me just trying to be funny. Sometimes I fail.

it was good - not your best but still pretty funny. I said the last part in response to the mc post you also quoted.

I have not issue w/ any of what you said - I agree with it actually even if it was a joke. People can and should decide for themselves. I've said before I'm grateful my parents were able to get the vaccine. They're in a cohort where the threat of the virus is much, much greater and long term side effects are much less of a concern.

 

[zyxt9]

Dr. spartanhack recommends all his patients go out and get sick with COVID, instead of getting vaccinated, to own teh Libs.

if you die, well, Eugenics professor zyxt will commend you for removing your inferior genes from the human race.

Not at all... I make no claim over Darwin nor take joy in the effects. I merely acknowledge the reality of the science involved. It would be great if no one died, but that is not reality, unfortunately.

 

[tinselwolverine]

it was good - not your best but still pretty funny. I said the last part in response to the mc post you also quoted.

I have not issue w/ any of what you said - I agree with it actually even if it was a joke. People can and should decide for themselves. I've said before I'm grateful my parents were able to get the vaccine. They're in a cohort where the threat of the virus is much, much greater and long term side effects are much less of a concern.

I?ve been reading posts backwards in chronology - sort of like watching ?Memento? - so I knew TD22 had made a joke before I read the joke.

I think i would have gotten it had I been reading in chronological order. I probably would have thought it was funny.

 

[Spartanmack]

I?ve been reading posts backwards in chronology - sort of like watching ?Memento? - so I knew TD22 had made a joke before I read the joke.

I think i would have gotten it had I been reading in chronological order. I probably would have thought it was funny.

If it was really like watching Memento, maybe you forgot that TD22 had made a joke by the time you got to it? I really liked that movie - probably watched it 3 or 4 times on HBO or whatever back in the day. My wife had never seen it so I rewatched it with her a couple years ago and was still entertained since I had forgotten a lot of it - which kinda made me feel like Guy Pierce's character as I was seeing it again for maybe the 5th time.

 

[Michchamp]

I?ve been reading posts backwards in chronology - sort of like watching ?Memento? - so I knew TD22 had made a joke before I read the joke.

I think i would have gotten it had I been reading in chronological order. I probably would have thought it was funny.

It was funny.

So is bringing up that (in most people? all? many?) prior infections provide more protection than a vaccine, as an argument against just getting the damn vaccine like hundreds of millions of people have.

also funny is calling the vaccines "untested" ... granted Big Pharma doesn't have the best track record in terms of putting people before profits, but like even they aren't going to be going around mixing random chemicals together like mad scientists and injecting those in millions of Americans without SOME trials before them.