Coronainsanity

[Spartanmack]

I don?t think merchants will care about booster status.

Too much trouble.

Also fully vacced is probably going to end up being based on local definition.

In Florida the Governor disdains CDC recommendations.

In LA County Barbara Ferrer, the social worker who fraudulently calls herself an MD makes the CDC look like the Libertarian Party.

private businesses in jurisdictions like NYC, LA, SF, DC, Chicago, etc where there are vax mandates will have to stand up to the authoritarians if it starts to affect their bottom line.

Carhart, which I learned is headquartered in Dearborn, MI is one of the only private sector employers I'm aware of with operations outside of mandate cities that is sticking with the mandate - I believe JPMorgan and a couple other banks also currently have mandates in place.

 

[Spartanmack]

Record people hospitalized... super mild.

Edit.... with the virus. So I'm sure all the virus deniers will say all those people are just chilling at the hospital and happen to get tested somehow.

Forget all the reports that hospitals are laying off workers cause literally no one goes to the hospital anymore... unless it's for covid. People are now just simply taking field trips to the hospital and getting tested... which is inflating the number. Makes sense. Mild...

you should forget those reports because they're full of shit. Hospitals are laying people off because they refuse to take the vaccine they don't need (except to keep their job). That's why in California, they're asking workers infected with COVID to stay on the job - because the people who treated people for COVID for a year plus, many who recovered from COVID and refuse the jab they don't need, have been fired.

 

[tigermud]

A group of doctors and other medical experts gathered in Washington, D.C. on Monday for a panel discussion on Covid-19 hosted by Senator Ron Johnson (R-WI).

The specialists include Dr. Robert Malone, Dr. Peter McCullough, Dr. Bret Weinstein, Dr. Jay Bhattacharya, Dr. Ryan Cole, Dr. Harvey Risch, Dr. George Fareed, Dr. Pierre Kory, Dr. Richard Urso, Dr. Paul Marik, Dr. Aaron Kheriaty and Dr. David Wiseman.

Senator Johnson streamed the panel discussion live on Rumble, as other outlets would likely censor the conversation and do not support free speech in the first place.

https://www.infowars.com/posts/must...demic-response-at-capitol-hill-covid-hearing/

 

[tinselwolverine]

you should forget those reports because they're full of shit. Hospitals are laying people off because they refuse to take the vaccine they don't need (except to keep their job). That's why in California, they're asking workers infected with COVID to stay on the job - because the people who treated people for COVID for a year plus, many who recovered from COVID and refuse the jab they don't need, have been fired.

Right.

I know you remember; for those who don?t, I posted the link to that story from the LA Times in #5171.

That story was fairly honest and objective, I am amazed it managed to get passed their editorial board.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Where the data that says millions of people have been reinfected? Is it based off of PCR tests that the cdc recently said not to give to recovered patients because they can give false positives for months after infection? The Omicron surge is the first I've heard of people getting reinfected but I haven't heard anything close to millions of cases of it - and the people who are getting Omicron after recovering from another strain are experiencing symptoms that are:

A) 100% fatal
B) milder
C) worse than anything ever in the history of viruses
D) both A & C

Data?

He don?t need no stinkin? data.

He don?t need to cho? you no stinkin? data.

 

[Michchamp]

"Infections after vaccination are still uncommon. They're approximately 2% of people who are vaccinated," said Dr. Sabrina Assoumou, an infectious disease specialist at Boston Medical Center.

Almost as rare are people who get the virus, recover, then get it again.

A recent CDC study of COVID reinfections looked at 1,572 patients. Forty became reinfected, for a rate of 2.5%.
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- Link (NBC News, Jan. 6, 2022)

Can you get infected with Omicron after having a previous variant of COVID-19?

?Yes, it?s definitely possible,? says Thomas Russo, M.D., professor and chief of infectious disease at the University at Buffalo in New York.

The CDC says that people who have been vaccinated against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, and those who have actually had the virus have a ?low risk of subsequent infection? for at least six months. Meaning, you should be protected for six months after having COVID-19. Beyond that, though, it?s hard to say.
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In fact, recent research from the Imperial College London found that the risk of reinfection with Omicron is 5.4 times higher than it was with Delta, the previous dominant COVID-19 strain. Researchers specifically found that protection against reinfection by Omicron from a past COVID-19 infection could be as low as 19%.

?One of the key features of Omicron is that it?s much more resistant to immunity, whether vaccine-induced or caused by previous infection,? Dr. Russo says.
​

- Prevention Magazine (Jan. 2022)

More reasons to get vaccinated even if you've had it. In fact, unless you maintain the vaccines are either completely ineffective, or actually harmful to you, you should still get them, as they'll provide some additional protection from reinfection or severe infection even if you have it, and something is better than nothing.


Given that the number of new cases in the US has been well over 500,000 PER DAY for the last 20 days, and the moving avg. has been over 800,000 cases/day more recently... that's millions of cases.

If the reinfection rate is 2.5% among the unvaccinated as the study above revealed, that's 25,000 new cases per million, at a time when hospitals are already all backed up.

 

[mhughes0021]

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Given that the number of new cases in the US has been well over 500,000 PER DAY for the last 20 days, and the moving avg. has been over 800,000 cases/day more recently... that's millions of cases.

If the reinfection rate is 2.5% among the unvaccinated as the study above revealed, that's 25,000 new cases per million, at a time when hospitals are already all backed up.​

Now include the people that got Alpha and were reinfected with Delta...ya natural immunity doesnt work.

PS...Youre only supposed to supply data when it supports the anti vax narrative. Errr i mean the politically correct "everyone get sick and let the weak die" narrative.​

 

[mhughes0021]

you should forget those reports because they're full of shit. Hospitals are laying people off because they refuse to take the vaccine they don't need (except to keep their job). That's why in California, they're asking workers infected with COVID to stay on the job - because the people who treated people for COVID for a year plus, many who recovered from COVID and refuse the jab they don't need, have been fired.

They really arent though. Hospitals are businesses. they are just buildings used to sling Drugs and Insurance. Almost as bad as colleges. And once covid hit...business was bad...for a looong time which led to reduced hours for many and reduced jobs for others.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Sounds like you would enjoy reading Neville Chamberlain's autobiography.

It's a virus that mutates. It's not a fire that need to burn through all the fuel and then it will be done.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I wrote about this here, almost two years ago, where Gulo hilariously tried (and failed) to start the COVID discussion on the science and technology board, rather the politics board.

I can't promise that I'm done being a na?ve optimist, but man, that was sad.

 

[tomdalton22]

Now include the people that got Alpha and were reinfected with Delta...ya natural immunity doesnt work.

PS...Youre only supposed to supply data when it supports the anti vax narrative. Errr i mean the politically correct "everyone get sick and let the weak die" narrative.

both sides are doing the same thing. You are saying that getting vaxed is the answer and the other side is saying natural immunity is the answer. Neither of you know what the fuck you are talking about because nobody knows which is correct

 

[mhughes0021]

both sides are doing the same thing. You are saying that getting vaxed is the answer and the other side is saying natural immunity is the answer. Neither of you know what the fuck you are talking about because nobody knows which is correct

I agree... and that's actually what I've been saying. The info we get is a cluttered mess. Confusing at the least if you can even find a source not littered with political bias.

My take goes further.... we don't know what's yet to come. We don't know what covid will do to us down the road if you've been infected. We don't know if variants will get more mild or more extreme.

And because of that I chose limiting the spread as the best option. An option that's nearly impossible now.... which is frustrating.

 

[zyxt9]

It's a virus that mutates. It's not a fire that need to burn through all the fuel and then it will be done.

And the current vax options do not stop its spread because they are not pan-vax like the hopefully soon option from Walter Reed. And as I have shown, while more contagious, the current form has a Mortality Rate in line with the normal fluctuations of the flu.

Do you always get the flu vaccine? If so, great! Did you ever consider making it mandatory? If not, then why does Covid vax have to be? Just because it is more contagious?

You guys keep saying you are not pro-mandates yet you keep pushing the language of pro-mandate. Everyone should be free to their own choice on getting a vax or not... but not really, everyone must get the vax.

 

[zyxt9]

https://deadline.com/2022/01/omicron-offshoot-ba2-in-us-1234918884/

Once again, I'm pointing out that this new form, a sub-variant of Omicron DID NOT ORIGINATE IN THE US. It is NOT the fault of anti-vax or anti-mandate people in US.

 

[zyxt9]

Florida continues to demonstrate there is no perceivable advantage to the mandates. Basically same population density as New York, yet NY does not show any advantages despite Florida having arguably more susceptible and vulnerable members of the population.

The mandates continually show ineffectiveness. Let people have complete freedom in choosing to be vaxxed or not. There should never be pressure in either direction, not to get vaxxed and not to avoid it. Freely decide and choose which option you wish and we ride this storm out together, as free members of society.

 

[tigermud]

Large, peer-reviewed research study proves ivermectin works

https://flccc.substack.com/p/large-peer-reviewed-research-study

 

[tomdalton22]

I agree... and that's actually what I've been saying. The info we get is a cluttered mess. Confusing at the least if you can even find a source not littered with political bias.

My take goes further.... we don't know what's yet to come. We don't know what covid will do to us down the road if you've been infected. We don't know if variants will get more mild or more extreme.

And because of that I chose limiting the spread as the best option. An option that's nearly impossible now.... which is frustrating.

I don't think limiting the spread is possible either.

 

[zyxt9]

OmBA.2 is being called "stealth Omicron"... so, yeah... stopping it from spreading when it evades vaccines AND test kits show up negative when used to detect it makes for a very difficult situation to stop spreading.

So, we can live more normally, or we can quarantine everyone.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't think limiting the spread is possible either.

so are you of the spartanmack-tigermud thinking on this that it's "magic" and spreads by a means that is impossible to understand or stop (and of course is just not that bad in Florida - even though it is - because DeSantis is really great, so vote Republican)?

If not, then you acknowledge it must spread by some physical method. And if we limit that physical method, we would limit the spread. RIGHT?

We actually know how it spreads, and SOME countries (China, Japan, South Korea, New Zealand) have successfully contained it. Not perfectly... they are still having outbreaks here and there of course, but they don't have 100,000s of new cases per day and have hundreds of thousands fewer dead and long COVID sufferers.

 

[Michchamp]

OmBA.2 is being called "stealth Omicron"... so, yeah... stopping it from spreading when it evades vaccines AND test kits show up negative when used to detect it makes for a very difficult situation to stop spreading.

So, we can live more normally, or we can quarantine everyone.

I think as a nation, we're apparently "done with COVID" even though it's far from done with us.

I don't expect we'll make tests that catch future variants (the current ones seem to be missing omicron), or really do shit in the future.

It either peters out after this wave, or we get hit with a few more of similar severity, and it kills off another few million. I don't really see how this ends, other than an actual societal collapse. No one is steering the ship!

I know, I know... you think "it's MILD"... well, the deaths/1,000,000 has been going back up. And the total # of deaths has been steadily increasing since the Omicon wave. Going to hit 900,000 maybe by the EOW.

That squiggly line that goes up and down in the Deaths/1,000,000 people chart? That's the one that should stay flat if "Omicron is MILD" and "We can live with it."