Dallas blm protest incident

[tigermud]

I think you watch too much TV.

or read too many InfoWars articles.

that stuff is all unhinged from reality.


...or maybe I am one of them, trying to get you to let your guard down so me and my roving band of gangs can come plunder all your riches? hmmm...

Yeah sure look at Mexico...I think you need more infowars..lol I don't watch much tv actually cept baseball games...

Anyway..gotta run for a bit..bash away, call me names, post picture of tin foil hats etc..whatever floats your boat

 

[biggunsbob]

Sorry guys can't respond. Son got in a car wreck. Man that call just sucks to get. The lump in your throat and heart. Car totaled. Kid lucky to walk with his life and just head lacerations, some unbroken trauma and bruises.. ttyl.

All politicians suck, all lobbyist suck, and air bags that do not deploy suck...

but jaws of life are great , and so is the police and fire dept thanks for them for helping my son.

 

[tigermud]

Thoughts and prays with you bob, Glad to hear he walked away...everyday is a gift

 

[tbone413]

Sorry to hear about your son Bob...glad to hear he made it out relatively unharmed.

 

[Spartanmack]

thinkprogress and the website people set up to track police killings after it was revealed the FBI was deliberately undercounting the numbers both counted nearly 1200 killings, with over 300 blacks and 200 hispanics among those killed. as tbone noted, the thing to focus on is the percentages... African Americans are ~12% of the population but are over 26% of people killed by cops (and also arrested and stopped in higher proportions than whites).

538 had an article on this as well, and reported that since the Ferguson execution of michael brown and riot, rates of police killings of americans have actually increased, with an associated increase in the disproportionate effect on blacks and hispanics.



I don't know... what media are you focusing on? there are a number of people (notably Radley Balko of te Washington Post) who follow all suspicious police killings.

and to some extent, the coverage and outrage is justified because the notable incidents are just so much more blatant and extreme. i mean... shooting a guy in the back of the head while he's facedown on the pavement, unarmed, already subdued... that's a fucking execution. that's not hyperbole here on my part.

unarmed guys running away from cops, guys with their hands up, getting taken down by multiple shots? those are executions. in no case was the officers' life -or anyone else's nearby - threatened.

and you also claim the media coverage is biased... and I agree though not in the same way you do. a lot of the coverage is biased in favor of the cops, against the victims. it's intended to whitewash unjustified killings by bringing up the victim's past, and portraying the cop in as favorable a light as possible.

don't believe me? here's an article from the HuffPo noting the descrepancies in media coverage of the Walter Scott execution in South Carolina last year BEFORE video of Officer Michael slager shooting him in the back repeatedly from distance was made public. don't want to read a Huff Po article? here's a link to the actual SC Post Courier article operating as a hit piece on the victim before video was released showing the whole cop's story was bullshit.

Focus on the percentages: blacks commit 22% of violent crimes in America and are 25% of police shooting victims (overwhelmingly justified, even by the Washington Posts evaluation, many of them by black police officers) vs 43% for whites, well below their representation in the population but they account for 58% of the victims of police shootings. Blacks and other minorities are stopped and arrested at higher rates than whites because they commit crimes at higher rates than whites. Those are facts and arrest rates by ethnicity are consistent with crime rates by ethnicity. That's not racism or profiling, those are facts.

No doubt there are bad cops but they're a tiny minority, as are tragic events like what happened in Louisiana and Minneapolis. The media is doing a disservice to minorities and the country in general perpetuating myths of rampant police brutality and systemic/institutionalize do racism that doesn't exist. Creating a culture if distrust for the police in poor minority communities is counterproductive when what those communities need is more police, not less. You won't gat investment, businesses and jobs in those neighborhoods until it's safe for people to operate in those neighborhoods.

By he way, good to see you're havent given up on the completely disproved "hands up, don't shoot" fallacy.

 

[tigermud]

Not a good trend here

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-tennessee-shooter-targeted-white-victims-similar-to-dallas-ambush/

 

[Monster]

I agree with you on the Media aspect...its no longer about reporting an accurate story, its all about rating and 'shock factor' its a freaking disgrace the shit they report and the spin they put on it.

However, as for the number of people killed by police last year - those stats are a bit misleading...there are far more whites in the US (223Mil) than Blacks (39Mil). So in 2015 there were 2.4 deaths by police per 1 million white citizens, and 6.4 deaths per 1 million black citizens.

We can all debate 'why' this is the case (I wont get into that right now) but the facts of the matter are youre far more likely to be killed by a cop if your skin is black than if youre white.

Per capita, black people commit more violent crime and are more likely to be confronted by police for this reason. Add to that the hostility that many young black people are taught to have toward the cops and you have a recipe for disaster. And don't tell me I'm lying because I know many black men from bad neighborhoods and they all hate police. Instead of cooperating with them, they'd rather mouth off and resist arrest. Yes, white people do this too, but if you're being honest, you know this is most prevelant in the black community. This has to stop. None of these people would be dead if they had obeyed the law and not fought with the cops.

No cop wants to shoot a black guy. It's career suicide in today's world. To say that cops are hunting black people is ridiculous and shit news programs constantly have guests appear who make this claim.

My uncle, whom is white, tried to run from cops about 20 years ago. He crashed his truck, got out and was shot in the belly. He lived, but I didn't see anybody defending him. If it was a black guy, he would have had al sharpton and every BLM member on CNN calling the cops racist..Lansing would have burned to the ground because, No Justice No Peace.

 

[Monster]

Not a fan of Breitbart, but...

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/...r-supporters-celebrate-police-deaths-twitter/

Fuck these people. They're no different than the homophobic bigots who cheered on the terrorist that killed all those people in the gay club in Orlando.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Focus on the percentages: blacks commit 22% of violent crimes in America and are 25% of police shooting victims (overwhelmingly justified, even by the Washington Posts evaluation, many of them by black police officers) vs 43% for whites, well below their representation in the population but they account for 58% of the victims of police shootings.

I had to do a little addition and division because I couldn't find the numbers presented this way, but if you look at the races of the population in povertyby race, there's a lot of correlation here. I'm not sure how the government defines poverty, but their numbers add up to 14% of the population.

So,as of 2014, of the US population in poverty,
43.1% are white
23.6% are black
4.6% are Asian
28.7% are Hispanic.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Not a fan of Breitbart, but...

http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/...r-supporters-celebrate-police-deaths-twitter/

Fuck these people. They're no different than the homophobic bigots who cheered on the terrorist that killed all those people in the gay club in Orlando.

There are always assholes. But look at the people doing good too.

http://www.scarymommy.com/dallas-shooting-image-of-baby-in-stroller/

 

[Spartanmack]

I had to do a little addition and division because I couldn't find the numbers presented this way, but if you look at the races of the population in povertyby race, there's a lot of correlation here. I'm not sure how the government defines poverty, but their numbers add up to 14% of the population.

So,as of 2014, of the US population in poverty,
43.1% are white
23.6% are black
4.6% are Asian
28.7% are Hispanic.

This reinforces my point that crime and policing is more of a socio-economic issue than a race issue and it kind of shoots holes in the myth of systematic, institutionalized racism in policing and the criminal justice system.

 

[Gulo Blue]

This reinforces my point that crime and policing is more of a socio-economic issue than a race issue and it kind of shoots holes in the myth of systematic, institutionalized racism in policing and the criminal justice system.

It shoots holes in that and in the idea the black America has some sort of cultural problem with rap or anything like that.

 

[Spartanmack]

It shoots holes in that and in the idea the black America has some sort of cultural problem with rap or anything like that.

Not sure I follow - how do these stats disprove that? For the record, let me say I don't blame rap music or sagging pants or whatever for crime rates or what have you, I just don't see the connection to these numbers.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Not sure I follow - how do these stats disprove that? For the record, let me say I don't blame rap music or sagging pants or whatever for crime rates or what have you, I just don't see the connection to these numbers.

If a group has more poverty they will have more violent crime. So to the degree a higher rate of violent crime is explained by poverty, it is not explained by cultural issues.

 

[deathroh]

This reinforces my point that crime and policing is more of a socio-economic issue than a race issue and it kind of shoots holes in the myth of systematic, institutionalized racism in policing and the criminal justice system.

This shows that blacks have a higher likelihood of being poor, which correlates to a higher chance of committing a crime, which can cause some people to institute systemic institutionalized racism since this has been the case for generations.

 

[Spartanmack]

This shows that blacks have a higher likelihood of being poor, which correlates to a higher chance of committing a crime, which can cause some people to institute systemic institutionalized racism since this has been the case for generations.

so enforcing the law (arresting and convicting offenders) at rates consistent with crime statistics is "instituionalized" racism?

 

[Spartanmack]

If a group has more poverty they will have more violent crime. So to the degree a higher rate of violent crime is explained by poverty, it is not explained by cultural issues.

I think cultural influences have an effect, but are certainly second order. Also, whatever influence gangster rap or other aspects of thug culture has, it probably has as much influence on poor whites and hispanics as it does on poor blacks.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I think cultural influences have an effect, but are certainly second order. Also, whatever influence gangster rap or other aspects of thug culture has, it probably has as much influence on poor whites and hispanics as it does on poor blacks.

I lump it in with other claims of video games and music corrupting youth. That's not to say there's no evidence that some effect may be possible. Most studies point against it, but I think I saw some study finding that after playing violent video games, people would more readily use violent language or something like that. So, I don't say zero, but the evidence is thin.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The shooter was within around 100 feet of where Lee Harvey Oswald was.

EDIT: Maybe actually not quite that close but pretty close.

 

[Michchamp]

"black people commit more crime"

well, whether that's true or not, I am not sure. maybe more poverty-related crime (e.g. dealing drugs on the street & holding up liquor stores). not as much property crime though. massive mortgage fraud, or embezzling funds from your charity, illegal tax shelters, ponzi schemes like Amway...

but regardless, the issue causing the current protests isn't who commits the most crime or who is justifiably shot by cops... it's police committing unjustified shootings and never bearing any consequences for their actions, protected by their fellow police and the local state's attorney (i.e. the state itself).