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It's one thing for Pizza man to say "Yea, lets go get a couple guys and make a dynasty" while we were in the middle of skyrocketing to the ALC title.

When the dust clears and you look harder at the books maybe he thinks about it more.

I only heard mention of him saying he "might" spring for 2 big players, and that was only 1 time.

I honestly don't think we have the kind of money to play with people are thinking about, all you hear about is guys wanting big name players, but all we need is people who are competent enough to fill the holes at 5th starter, 2b and 3b.

We don't need Reyes, Wright, Kershaw, Lincecum or any other big name to win, we just need solid people to fill our holes.

We tried that in '08 with Sheffield, and got burned.

We tried filling holes this year and our offense sucked the entire playoffs. We debated last offseason signing another big arm and the choice not too killed us basically all year. If we dont add a bat and a lead off hitter this year we will regret it again.

1. Filling holes during the season is not the same as filling holes in the offseason.

2. Pitching did not kill us, as bad as we all like to say Penny was 11-11 is pretty good for a 5th starter.

What killed us all year long, even in the playoffs was poor hitting w/risp, and nobody getting into scoring position until there were 2 outs.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Penny was bad. Why do we have to be okay that he put up 5th starter numbers. Why can't we have two 1's a 2 and two 3's? And if it wasn't for Fister, DY and even Betemit for a time the playoffs might have been a bit trickier, even with the suckness known as the ALC. DD did a poor job last off season. And your RISP anolagy, maybe DD should have gotten a bat in the offseason that could get it done during the season. If we go Inge at 3rd and Raburn/Dirks in left with AJ batting lead off, we're in the same boat. We need a much better 2012 offseason.

 

[mhughes0021]

Penny was awful...coke was worse. And im not sold on porcello ever being anything more than a 4.

 

[johnny2x2x]

One thing I hope people realize is this:

Perralta and Avila had career seasons. Now I like both of these guys and think they'll have good years in 2012, but I don't think we can count on the same type of numbers from them as we saw in 2011. Boesch has yet to put it together for an entire season either. If we're relying on those 3 guys to be the guts of our order along with Cabby and V-Mart, I think it's a gamble.

IMO, a lot of things came together for the Tigers last season. I hope our management realizes that and makes upgrades accordingly.

 

[Mitchrapp]

One thing I hope people realize is this:

Perralta and Avila had career seasons. Now I like both of these guys and think they'll have good years in 2012, but I don't think we can count on the same type of numbers from them as we saw in 2011. Boesch has yet to put it together for an entire season either. If we're relying on those 3 guys to be the guts of our order along with Cabby and V-Mart, I think it's a gamble.

IMO, a lot of things came together for the Tigers last season. I hope our management realizes that and makes upgrades accordingly.

I'm not sure you can put Avila in the career season thing since he hasn't been around much. Sure he could suck in 2012 but maybe last years numbers are or will be his norm?Peralta another story. That's why I think its important not to stay status quo.

 

[tomdalton22]

The Tigers don't need two more allstars that make $15-$20 million a year. They need a few more good players to fill holes. Look at the "allstar" teams this year (Phillies, NY, Boston)...how did they do? Complete teams like Texas and St. Louis win more often than not. The Tigers will not be a healthy franchise long term if they go after the big ticket free agents.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm not really referring to 40m for two guys but i guess Reyes will get his. But we need more than a couple .250 guys with 10 home runs and .320 OBP. We need high OBP guys and those aren't cheap. And there aren't many.

 

[tomdalton22]

Mitch[/color]]I'm not really referring to 40m for two guys but i guess Reyes will get his. But we need more than a couple .250 guys with 10 home runs and .320 OBP. We need high OBP guys and those aren't cheap. And there aren't many.

Reyes at $20M is not a good investment. The Tigers already have .250 guys with 10 HR and they got to the ALCS. If you upgrade some of those guys just slightly they have a better chance to make it to the WS.

 

[Mitchrapp]

We got there for one because of Fister and DY and a lack of divisional quality. For most of the season we were behind or barely ahead. We need more than just "slightly" on .250 10 HR.

 

[tomdalton22]

Mitch[/color]]We got there for one because of Fister and DY and a lack of divisional quality. For most of the season we were behind or barely ahead. We need more than just "slightly" on .250 10 HR.

Right. DY and Fister should be back next year. That along with Boesch. Now, if you upgrade a few more spots you have a more complete team. I like the idea of adding another BP arm, backup catcher and upgrade 2B / 3B or both. You don't have to make a huge upgrade at either spot....just league average or a little better. Do all of those things and the Tigers should be in great shape without breaking the bank or farm system.

 

[mhughes0021]

The Tigers don't need two more allstars that make $15-$20 million a year. They need a few more good players to fill holes. Look at the "allstar" teams this year (Phillies, NY, Boston)...how did they do? Complete teams like Texas and St. Louis win more often than not. The Tigers will not be a healthy franchise long term if they go after the big ticket free agents.

umm...phillies ny and boston were fighting to be the best team in baseball for basically the entire year. Texas' 9 hitter had a better average than like 6 ppl in our lineup. They had an entire lineup that can hit the ball...we didnt. Their bullpen was better than ours. ny outscored us by a ton in the alds. We have to make some moves to be competitive against the teams you listed. Speed on the bases and a lead off hitter should be the top priorities. If leyland chooses to never pitch jv on short rest than we need a sp too.

 

[tomdalton22]

The Tigers don't need two more allstars that make $15-$20 million a year. They need a few more good players to fill holes. Look at the "allstar" teams this year (Phillies, NY, Boston)...how did they do? Complete teams like Texas and St. Louis win more often than not. The Tigers will not be a healthy franchise long term if they go after the big ticket free agents.

umm...phillies ny and boston were fighting to be the best team in baseball for basically the entire year. Texas' 9 hitter had a better average than like 6 ppl in our lineup. They had an entire lineup that can hit the ball...we didnt. Their bullpen was better than ours. ny outscored us by a ton in the alds. We have to make some moves to be competitive against the teams you listed. Speed on the bases and a lead off hitter should be the top priorities. If leyland chooses to never pitch jv on short rest than we need a sp too.

Yet the Tigers were right there with the teams you mentioned and none of the teams you listed won the WS. You don't have to have a fantasy baseball team to win.

 

[Mitchrapp]

It'd be fun though, lol.

 

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Mitch[/color]]Penny was bad. Why do we have to be okay that he put up 5th starter numbers. Why can't we have two 1's a 2 and two 3's? And if it wasn't for Fister, DY and even Betemit for a time the playoffs might have been a bit trickier, even with the suckness known as the ALC. DD did a poor job last off season. And your RISP anolagy, maybe DD should have gotten a bat in the offseason that could get it done during the season. If we go Inge at 3rd and Raburn/Dirks in left with AJ batting lead off, we're in the same boat. We need a much better 2012 offseason.

You think DD did a poor job last off season? :

What the fuck do you want Mitch, a WS title every year or it's a failure?

He landed the biggest impact FA in baseball last year in Vmart.

He landed Benoit, probably top 3 setup man in all of baseball.

He purchased the option on Peralta, when many people expected him to let him go.

He picked up Penny, who while he was not great, was serviceable.

His only real gaffe was offering Inge a contract, but his options were pretty limited.

Kenny Williams did a poor job, remember we could have ended up with Dunn.

And as far as blaming DD for not getting a bat that would have helped our RISP fails, that's 20/20 hindsight, nobody could have predicted we would have had as much trouble getting runners home. Heck who would have predicted Cabrera a year after he should have won the MVP, would set a career record in GIDP?

None of the 2011 failure is on DD, not one bit.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Peralta was already here. I'll give him credit for mart and benoit. But he also signed Inge, didn't bring in anyone to play 2B etc. Plus the Penny acquisition was not good. No on a WS or failure but one would be nice. And don't get so uptight. Its a discussion, we all have different opinions

 

[jimrice]

Mitch[/color]]Peralta was already here. I'll give him credit for mart and benoit. But he also signed Inge, didn't bring in anyone to play 2B etc. Plus the Penny acquisition was not good. No on a WS or failure but one would be nice. And don't get so uptight. Its a discussion, we all have different opinions

Don't get defensive. If your opinion is crazy, it might get challenged.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Defensive? Lol. You don't know me very well. I haven't gotten defensive since '75.

 

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Mitch[/color]]Peralta was already here. I'll give him credit for mart and benoit. But he also signed Inge, didn't bring in anyone to play 2B etc. Plus the Penny acquisition was not good. No on a WS or failure but one would be nice. And don't get so uptight. Its a discussion, we all have different opinions

I'm not uptight, but I was a bit awed that anyone could think what DD did to help us have our best season in 25+ years counted less than what moves he didn't make.

Sure, it would be nice to win a WS soon, but 29 other teams all want the same thing, I'm happy with us being competitive.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mets-david-wright-not-a-golden-goose-pt-1/
Mets David Wright not a golden goose, Part 1.
from fangraphs

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/mets-listening-who-is-the-wright-fit/
Mets listening, who is the right fit?
from fangraphs

 

[jimrice]

One thing I hope people realize is this:

Perralta and Avila had career seasons. Now I like both of these guys and think they'll have good years in 2012, but I don't think we can count on the same type of numbers from them as we saw in 2011. Boesch has yet to put it together for an entire season either. If we're relying on those 3 guys to be the guts of our order along with Cabby and V-Mart, I think it's a gamble.

IMO, a lot of things came together for the Tigers last season. I hope our management realizes that and makes upgrades accordingly.

Good point. It's best to refer to career numbers for accurate projections. Avila, obviously is a tougher task to predict. His average will probably drop considerably, but fortunately, he is one Tiger that takes a few walks.