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[mhughes0021]

Stafford was 67.6 percent with time.

40 percent cracks under pressure, no pocket awareness, and is terrible out of the pocket.

He is a Average with time.

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[tonyballs]

He doesnt throw the ball well we he has plenty of time. ...why prolong the inevitable. He is what he is....an inaccurate gunslinger that needs a million weapons, top 5 defense, great oline and great run game just to be sucessful.

If you look at the time it took to get the ball out i bet he was average last year. And as stated previous....we still threw it a ton. So he had plenty of opportunity to make plays....he just doesnt.

He was sacked almost 50 times, you nimrod. That doesn't count how many times he was knocked down or hurried. Now all of a sudden Stafford has time and our OL was good?? Come back to reality ffs.

 

[dubbsco]

Tony, he had one of the best offensive lines in football two years ago, and basically did the exact same thing.

 

[brewer229]

Stafford was 67.6 percent with time.

40 percent under pressure.

He is a stud with time.

Where does Stafford rank "with time"? I'm guessing all QBs would see an uptick in their completion % when they have time.

This partial stat means nothing without context. Even the average or median
"completion % with time" would be helpful.

 

[tonyballs]

Tony, he had one of the best offensive lines in football two years ago, and basically did the exact same thing.

And 2 years ago his numbers were better lol. More TDs, more yards. Wtf is your point? I agree he needs to be a little better, but don't give me the bullshit that our OL was fine last year like Hughes is saying. He's huffing paint if he thinks that...sorry.

 

[LKP]

Where does Stafford rank "with time"? I'm guessing all QBs would see an uptick in their completion % when they have time.

This partial stat means nothing without context. Even the average or median
"completion % with time" would be helpful.

67.6 includes drops counting against him and doesn't factor in WR separatoin. Stafford with time is a good QB. Stafford under pressure was bad like any QB under pressure. And 40% included 10 drops.

 

[LKP]

Stafford did not have weapon support in 2013 and 6 games no run support (his worst games).

Stafford had good TDs, yards and 3rd down %. Great PFF rating. Stafford was good in 2013 and 2014 even with vary different stats.

 

[dubbsco]

Tony, his numbers are nearly identical from 2013. His rating is actually worse in 2013.

My point is that while people are quick to point to the offensive line for shortcomings, he had a great one two years ago and still was very meh.

There has to be a point where we expect more from this guy and not have to find every excuse in the book for him. It's never going to be optimal. He won't have the best line in football. He wont have great WRs. He'll have injuries. That's what separates great from good. And he's just good.

 

[tonyballs]

Tony, his numbers are nearly identical from 2013. His rating is actually worse in 2013.

My point is that while people are quick to point to the offensive line for shortcomings, he had a great one two years ago and still was very meh.

There has to be a point where we expect more from this guy and not have to find every excuse in the book for him. It's never going to be optimal. He won't have the best line in football. He wont have great WRs. He'll have injuries. That's what separates great from good. And he's just good.

I agree that he's "just good". Never in my life have I called him elite. I know the potential is there. We have seen it and we have also seen the bad. It comes with the territory...
It's the same song and dance with all you guys. You claim that the "Stafford lovers" make excuses, but all you guys do is whine and moan about every move made. Especially when it's a move to HELP Stafford! lol. Which is fkn hilarious. The Lions aren't allowed to draft or bring in offensive help for Matt because when they do (a) said player is shit (b) Stafford is shit, so what's the point? (c) Oh look, another offensive weapon for Staff ...what a joke. It doesn't end. You rip on Mayhew, you rip on Lombardi, you fucks even rip on a coach that went 11-5!!! lol. That's the best one!!
Can't wait to see your guys reaction when they draft Gurley or Gordon with the 1st pick. This board is going to shut down...lol

 

[dubbsco]

Don't lump everything into one spell here.

Ripping on Mayhew is completely independent of Stafford. I don't care what you do as a GM, you cannot lose two entire draft classes and expect to be a successful organization.

Since they have made move upon move to help Matt Stafford, can we be at the point now where we expect him to be elite? Or if he fails this year, are we just going to fall back on the excuse mobile? Ah, he got hurt. Line struggled.

 

[tonyballs]

Don't lump everything into one spell here.

Ripping on Mayhew is completely independent of Stafford. I don't care what you do as a GM, you cannot lose two entire draft classes and expect to be a successful organization.

Since they have made move upon move to help Matt Stafford, can we be at the point now where we expect him to be elite? Or if he fails this year, are we just going to fall back on the excuse mobile? Ah, he got hurt. Line struggled.

You're expecting him to be elite now after what, 8 seasons is it??? lmfao. There it is! You have already written him off. Wtf is the point in even talking to you about it? I'm a Stafford guy and I don't think he's going to be elite. You have already got your rolodex of "Stafford bashing" ready to go...lol.
For the record, I expect him to be a sound, smart, good QB this year. Add a weapon in the running game, add an OL to bolster that OL. That's what I expect. You expect him to be Aaron Rodgers. Sorry, but he's not. If he makes that next step...awesome, but I'm not setting myself up for failure. You already have...good for you.

 

[dubbsco]

I sure as hell expect him to be Aaron Rodgers, or someone in that ilk. He wasn't drafted to be some "smart, sound QB." He was drafted to be a franchise QB that we can look back in 10 years and say, "Man, he brought us tons of success, playoff wins, even a Super Bowl."

In his 7th year, we are looking for someone who is a game manager. That's pretty sad.

 

[dubbsco]

Maybe my expectations are just too high. Guess that's what happens when the organization and homers feed you how things are improving every year and NOTHING ever happens with them.

I'll jump back on the apathetic bandwagon, and if they surprise me with a playoff win, cool.

 

[mhughes0021]

if he doesn't make other people elite then other people need to make him elite. Cant do that when you piss entire drafts away. FRee agent band aids only work for so long in this league and tend to get you into cap trouble down the line.

You need to draft well
Groom your picks
and resign them prior to them hitting the market and driving the price up

Mayhew:
Doesn't draft well (see 2010 and 2011)
Can count on 1 hand the people hes drafted and got to a second contract
When he does resign them its usually at the end of a term so they resign high.

Great example of this is Reiff. You have yourself a reliable lineman that starts every game for you and performs well. Meanwhile the rest of your line is in shambles. So lets decline a cheap option for an additional year. UNLESS a long term extension is about to be signed this is the dumbest shit ever.

 

[mhughes0021]

theres a bottom line here. yes we were 11-5.....great accomplishment for such a shitty organization. But we won 11 games because the defense held the other team to 20 or less points so many frikken times last year and we still struggled to win. Stafford needs to be better than that this upcoming year. It seems like we say that every frikken year, doesn't it? I don't have faith that the defense will be as dominate vs what SEEMS like a harder schedule. We were very lucky that the starting secondary was relatively healthy. I don't think We get as much pressure without Suh/Fairley. Ansah needs to continue to improve. LBs are what they are (good) but in this defense they are there to clean up the mess. Will be intriguing to see how they use Van Noy and if hes used to get more pressure from the outside.....or he could be like every other mayhew 2nd rd pick and just not play at all.

 

[LKP]

The Dline will be very good. We have good DEs, deep DEs and good DTs. The Lbs are good. Austin is good. This secondary is very good. We deserve secondary health for the next 10 million years. Top 5 defense when our secondary stays healthy.

Offense just needs health.

 

[tonyballs]

I sure as hell expect him to be Aaron Rodgers, or someone in that ilk. He wasn't drafted to be some "smart, sound QB." He was drafted to be a franchise QB that we can look back in 10 years and say, "Man, he brought us tons of success, playoff wins, even a Super Bowl."

In his 7th year, we are looking for someone who is a game manager. That's pretty sad.

He is the franchise QB. And yes he was drafted to be "the guy". I get that, but he's not Aaron Rodgers....sorry.
It's completely fkn pointless even talking to you about it. He can do no right, no matter what.

And nobody used the words "game manager". You did. Where were you when he was throwing for over 5,000 yds and a ton of TDs? Were you on his side then? Fuck no you were not. You were crying about his performance then too and I would bet my life on it.

 

[mhughes0021]

He is the franchise QB. And yes he was drafted to be "the guy". I get that, but he's not Aaron Rodgers....sorry.
It's completely fkn pointless even talking to you about it. He can do no right, no matter what.

And nobody used the words "game manager". You did. Where were you when he was throwing for over 5,000 yds and a ton of TDs? Were you on his side then? Fuck no you were not. You were crying about his performance then too and I would bet my life on it.

when you do it once in 7 years...welp..that's pretty much the definition of luck...or atleast not the norm.

 

[dubbsco]

Course I was. That's why it makes it more frustrating that he cannot maintain anything similar to that year. 2011 was a freak year for him (made in part by Calvin doing ridiculous shit), and he hasn't, or won't repeat that again.

He's a game manager. I said it. And if he doesn't take this team to the playoffs this year, time to think about moving on.

 

[tonyballs]

Course I was. That's why it makes it more frustrating that he cannot maintain anything similar to that year. 2011 was a freak year for him (made in part by Calvin doing ridiculous shit), and he hasn't, or won't repeat that again.

He's a game manager. I said it. And if he doesn't take this team to the playoffs this year, time to think about moving on.

He's not a game manager. That's the most fkn retarded thing I have ever heard lol
And he's 27 years old, not the problem. He's going nowhere, don't hold your breath, bud