Draft Strategy

[LKP]

Havent taken WR since 2007 Calvin in Round 1
Davis in 2017

What if Parsons is like Davis or even worse Reuben Foster

Boils down to the Wrs are deemed better players and prospects than Parsons. But it still unknown of course

 

[atxlion82]

We have a complete lack of elite talent on this team. We are in a complete rebuild and won’t be competitive next year. You take the best available this year in the top rounds regardless of position. Hell we will probably need to do the same thing next year. We do not have the players to compete in pretty much every phase of the game. We get playmakers the next two drafts and fill holes in FA and future drafts. We need talent

 

[Mitchrapp]

We have a complete lack of elite talent on this team. We are in a complete rebuild and won?t be competitive next year. You take the best available this year in the top rounds regardless of position. Hell we will probably need to do the same thing next year. We do not have the players to compete in pretty much every phase of the game. We get playmakers the next two drafts and fill holes in FA and future drafts. We need talent

By that philosophy we might take WR 3 years in a row. One reason why this team is down is the love of TE's.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Havent taken WR since 2007 Calvin in Round 1
Davis in 2017

What if Parsons is like Davis or even worse Reuben Foster

Boils down to the Wrs are deemed better players and prospects than Parsons. But it still unknown of course

And what if these WR's are like Broyles?

 

[mhughes0021]

Can?t blame Holmes for what was done in the past. I think it is narrow minded to say that. WR is still a major need for us. Don?t see how WR are overvalued? Most of the best teams have a true alpha WR. This is a passing league WR is quickly becoming one of the most important positions on the field. Guess agree to disagree here.

Ill take a shot at the overvalued comment.

Chase hasnt played in over a year and benefitted from one of the best college QB seasons in NCAA history.

Waddle is a quick slot...we've seen how that plays out in the nfl several times before. Tavon Austin was supposed to be good too. John Ross anyone?

Devonte Smith is 170 lbs. He doesnt have the build of an outside WR. Doesnt have the quick burst of the typical 170 lb guys. Hes fast....but hes a long strider.

Lastly, can projected rd 2 value like Marshall and Bateman produce just as much as the top 3 guys? probably.

 

[mhughes0021]

We have a complete lack of elite talent on this team. We are in a complete rebuild and won?t be competitive next year. You take the best available this year in the top rounds regardless of position. Hell we will probably need to do the same thing next year. We do not have the players to compete in pretty much every phase of the game. We get playmakers the next two drafts and fill holes in FA and future drafts. We need talent

Always picking in the top 15 and dont have any talent. Shitty GM after shitty GM picking shitty player after shitty player.

 

[LKP]

Decker, Ragnow, Jackson have talent. Vaitai tbd and Crosby contract year

Williams and Perriman have talent..williams is injury risk
amd Perriman is drops and route running. Still need a number 1 and long term. 1 year deals for others

3 rbs with talent, tight end with talent

Dline flowers, hand, brockers,owkwaras with talent
Lb collins has talent. Anazalone can cover but injury risk. Need more here maybe 2
Cb ao and okudah have talent. Need to grow and have scheme and pass rush help. Need a slot and a vet
Safety walker has talent but contract year. Need more here too.

Goff has played well 2 years and not so well 2 years. First overall pick talent here

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Always picking in the top 15 and dont have any talent. Shitty GM after shitty GM picking shitty player after shitty player.

I will NEVER understand the Tavai pick. A complete waste of a mid 2nd round pick.

Drafting a 2 down LB in ANY of the first 5 rounds in todays game is insanity. You can't do it. This isn't 1984. Fuck you, Quinn!

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Decker, Ragnow, Jackson have talent. Vaitai tbd and Crosby contract year

Williams and Perriman have talent..williams is injury risk
amd Perriman is drops and route running. Still need a number 1 and long term. 1 year deals for others

3 rbs with talent, tight end with talent

Dline flowers, hand, brockers,owkwaras with talent
Lb collins has talent. Anazalone can cover but injury risk. Need more here maybe 2
Cb ao and okudah have talent. Need to grow and have scheme and pass rush help. Need a slot and a vet
Safety walker has talent but contract year. Need more here too.

Goff has played well 2 years and not so well 2 years. First overall pick talent here

Where you are picked and NFL talent are 2 VERY different things. Jamarcus Russell was a 1st overall pick. Ryan Leaf 2nd overall. Pettigrew was 21st overall. He had very little NFL talent.

People on this board need to stop equating WHERE people are drafted with the talent they show on an NFL field.

 

[LKP]

Where you are picked and NFL talent are 2 VERY different things. Jamarcus Russell was a 1st overall pick. Ryan Leaf 2nd overall. Pettigrew was 21st overall. He had very little NFL talent.

People on this board need to stop equating WHERE people are drafted with the talent they show on an NFL field.

It is very much the talent you have and what teams think is your potential. You are confusing NFL production with talent. Goff is very very very very talented.

Some non talented people get picked based on need on day 2. But very rare for Round 1. And everyone has weaknesses or may never live up to that talent. Need to harness the talent for good NFL play through coaching and players own development. And even then, the other team is very talented too

 

[zyxt9]

Pop Quiz:

Of these 2 groups, which has more members in NFL Hall of Fame?

A. #1 Overall Pick
B. Undrafted Free Agents

 

[LKP]

Pop Quiz:

Of these 2 groups, which has more members in NFL Hall of Fame?

A. #1 Overall Pick
B. Undrafted Free Agents

There is a limited number of 1 overall picks at one per year. Undrafted free agents has a ton more people. Like many per year.

I would say % of 1st overall picks are good players compared to undrafted free agents. There are many many many many undrafted that are awful and don't make it 2 years. Even 1 year

 

[zyxt9]

There is a limited number of 1 overall picks at one per year. Undrafted free agents has a ton more people. Like many per year.

I would say % of 1st overall picks are good players compared to undrafted free agents. There are many many many many undrafted that are awful and don't make it 2 years. Even 1 year

All of which only adds to the argument we are better off trading back and gathering as many picks as possible.

And this link: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/nfl-draft-hall-famers-come-003451925.html

Shows that the Lions must overcome history with #7 pick as no #7 picks are in HoF. Trade back to #15 and add a pick? Great call...though it appears we would not be counting on the #15 pick to be a HoFer either, but maybe...MAYBE the additional pick we get is the one that is a HoFer.

My point here is just get as many picks as possible. That is the key. Trade back at every opportunity, even for picks in future drafts. One needs a shitload of darts to hit that bullseye.

 

[LKP]

All of which only adds to the argument we are better off trading back and gathering as many picks as possible.

And this link: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/nfl-draft-hall-famers-come-003451925.html

Shows that the Lions must overcome history with #7 pick as no #7 picks are in HoF. Trade back to #15 and add a pick? Great call...though it appears we would not be counting on the #15 pick to be a HoFer either, but maybe...MAYBE the additional pick we get is the one that is a HoFer.

My point here is just get as many picks as possible. That is the key. Trade back at every opportunity, even for picks in future drafts. One needs a shitload of darts to hit that bullseye.

True unless you don't get offers or think the guy you are taking will be a game changer. I think Waddle or Smith or Chase could be. Everyone drooling over Pitts after his pro day.

 

[dtroitlionsfan951]

Pop Quiz:

Of these 2 groups, which has more members in NFL Hall of Fame?

A. #1 Overall Pick
B. Undrafted Free Agents

The only appropriate way to measure such a statement would be to say by the rate of, which means #1 overall picks by a long shot.

 

[zyxt9]

The only appropriate way to measure such a statement would be to say by the rate of, which means #1 overall picks by a long shot.

Not even close. How much would a team have to give up to acquire the #1 pick??? The UDFAs are always available and since you have those every year the opportunity and chances are greater with UDDAs. Why??? Because of how many bodies you can bring in.

What this should exemplify is a team should always look at trading down and gaining more picks. More bodies equals increased chance of getting lucky. If Team A has 2x as many picks, then they have 2x the chance of landing a future HoF...and it literally matters little what the number is for those picks other than a player a team thinks they want/need is available or not.

Instead of trying to find "the" guy...just focus on getting good potential and then work on coaching them up. The coaches are more often the difference than the player themselves.

How often do our "busts" go elsewhere and perform well enough that we ask why they were so bad with the Lions?

 

[tomdalton22]

All of which only adds to the argument we are better off trading back and gathering as many picks as possible.

And this link: https://sports.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/nfl-draft-hall-famers-come-003451925.html

Shows that the Lions must overcome history with #7 pick as no #7 picks are in HoF. Trade back to #15 and add a pick? Great call...though it appears we would not be counting on the #15 pick to be a HoFer either, but maybe...MAYBE the additional pick we get is the one that is a HoFer.

My point here is just get as many picks as possible. That is the key. Trade back at every opportunity, even for picks in future drafts. One needs a shitload of darts to hit that bullseye.

if you do a little math, I think it might make more sense to move up (if you are looking for HOF players).

Using the link you provided, there have been 23 HOF players selected in the top 6 (not counting the 3 in the supplemental draft). Basing it on 30 years (1977-2007) since not many players are eligible that was drafted after 2007...

12.8% of the players that were drafted in the top 6 over that 30 year timeframe made it to the HOF.

0.72% of the players drafted #7 or later made it to the HOF.

Now, just comparing first rounders.

12.8% drafted in the top 6 made it to the HOF
2.7% drafted picks 7-32 made it to the HOF

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Jamar Chase 4.38 ..... not making it to 7. No way.

 

[LKP]

Jamar Chase 4.38 ..... not making it to 7. No way.

Parsons ran 4.39. That is crazier though

 

[Mitchrapp]

You never know because it looks like 4 QB's are going 1-4. I think Cinci will go for an OT. Depends who Miami takes. But truth I hope he is gone.