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Election Aftermath

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I disagree, but you are a lawyer. Can you prove this?

"playing with fire in a powder keg" and not a crime anywhere I'm aware of, and is a pretty subjective statement, which I assume everyone here would understand (though I should know better), especially since I'm not the one arguing he should be impeached over this...

But to your latter point... Which part of my statement are you quibbling with? You deny his words are incendiary, or that he was standing in a powder keg? Both???

Certainly it's reasonable to assume some of the people he was speaking to marched on the capitol. He encouraged that. He's praised violence before, and pretty much has been doing this at his rallies and campaign events since 2015.
 
"playing with fire in a powder keg" and not a crime anywhere I'm aware of, and is a pretty subjective statement, which I assume everyone here would understand (though I should know better), especially since I'm not the one arguing he should be impeached over this...

But to your latter point... Which part of my statement are you quibbling with? You deny his words are incendiary, or that he was standing in a powder keg? Both???

I'm not quibbling; I'm discussing. His words were not incendiary, and the powder keg was ignited by a select group of rioters a mile away, while he was still addressing the crowd.

Certainly it's reasonable to assume some of the people he was speaking to marched on the capitol. He encouraged that. He's praised violence before, and pretty much has been doing this at his rallies and campaign events since 2015.

He encouraged a march; not an insurrection. As for "praising violence" that's interpretative, and some would skew anything he says to suit their point of view. Like Vox, for example.

Were I on Twitter, I'd expect to find a host of Tweets from Trump detractors warning that there would be this level of disturbance well in advance of Jan. 6.
 
If I had them, I'd wager 10 bars of gold=plated latinum that it will.

The main reason I don't react stronger to all the anti-capitalism talk I see is because I think we are so far removed from any weakness in the private sector it's just not a plausible threat. The balance of power is so in favor of corporations, I'm not surprised people are so bothered by it they want to overcorrect and I'm not afraid they are close to having the power to do it.

So AOC must realize this, too, and she'll continue to get elected on false hope that she is knowingly spreading, so long as she fool most of her constituents all of the time. Or, she'll run for president in 2028.
 
Certainly it's reasonable to assume some of the people he was speaking to marched on the capitol. He encouraged that. He's praised violence before, and pretty much has been doing this at his rallies and campaign events since 2015.


Assumptions aren't sufficient to convict. Or at least they didn't used to be. Does anyone even know just who were that ones that broke in first opening the door for the what, couple of hundred tops QAnon idiots to just stupidly waltz in thereby destroying their own cause? Or is it all just assumed. I'm guessing we'll never really find out. Mission accomplished, all election fraud allegations now deemed terrorist level threat. Biden got more legal votes than Obama and if you say otherwise you're going to be cancel cultured and put on a domestic watch list. Is that really the America you want?
 
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Maybe. Some stuff is getting sorted out. Like if they were wearing orange tape on their helmets, they're Proud Boys.


So you're suggesting it was members of the proud boys that busted in first? hope we find out someday I'd really like to know, Just who is was that opened the gates. Some other Proud boy? I don't' think it was this one for sure. I think I heard he wasn't on the site at all

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/27/proud-boys-leader-enrique-tarrio-fbi-informant
 
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For the UMPTEENTH TIME FOR THOSE WHO CANT FUCKING READ:

I don't think Trump should have been impeached for this.

And I'll say it's not the stuff we have to assume that I think we need come down hard on. Trump pitched a story for months, he started it before the election, a story that if true would justify extreme action from anyone that thought this nation was worth fighting for. The fact that 70% of us roll our eyes and recognize it as hyperbole doesn't excuse the fact that a sufficient potion of our population didn't. I agree it doesn't fit in a nice well defined criminal law definition, but that's what impeachment is good for. It's vague and political. When Trump isn't removed, it's a reflection of the fact that there are still a ton of us that buy into his bullshit.
 
So you're suggesting it was members of the proud boys that busted in first? hope we find out someday I'd really like to know, Just who is was that opened the gates.

No, I'm saying they're figuring out details about the groups that were there and what they did to prepare for this. Maybe they'll identify the people that got in first.
 
No, I'm saying they're figuring out details about the groups that were there and what they did to prepare for this. Maybe they'll identify the people that got in first.

oh I'm sure there were proud boys and QAnon followers there no doubt about that. I'm only interested in just who it was the paved the way into the building.
 
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Assumptions aren't sufficient to convict. Or at least they didn't used to be. Does anyone even know just who were that ones that broke in first opening the door for the what, couple of hundred tops QAnon idiots to just stupidly waltz in thereby destroying their own cause? Or is it all just assumed. I'm guessing we'll never really find out. Mission accomplished, all election fraud allegations now deemed terrorist level threat. Biden got more legal votes than Obama and if you say otherwise you're going to be cancel cultured and put on a domestic watch list. Is that really the America you want?

No you won?t.

Nobody cares what you think already.

Riddle me this, Batman - in 2016, the Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania presidential election apperati all deemed Trump to have won those states? presidential elections.

So why should those states? certifications be seen as having been correct and legitimate in 2016 but not correct and legitimate in 2020?

Answer: They shouldn?t be.

They were correct and legitimate then, and they?re correct and legitimate now.
 
No you won’t.

Nobody cares what you think already.

Riddle me this, Batman - in 2016, the Georgia, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania presidential election apperati all deemed Trump to have won those states’ presidential elections.

So why should those states’ certifications be seen as having been correct and legitimate in 2016 but not correct and legitimate in 2020?

Answer: They shouldn’t be.

They were correct and legitimate then, and they’re correct and legitimate now.


Mail in stay home stay safe plandemic voting changed everything, there is a reason most countries don't' allow such large scale mail in voting. But you're probably right, nobody cares what I think. And it should be election day not election month or more. Country needs serious election reform.
 
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"What about everything the dems said about leftist violence?" is the Trump defense being voiced right now.
New phrase: "Constitutional Cancel Culture"
 
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Mail in stay home stay safe plandemic voting changed everything, there is a reason most countries don't' allow such large scale mail in voting. But you're probably right, nobody cares what I think. And it should be election day not election month or more. Country needs serious election reform.

The first is a stretch - Trump won the electoral college by a margin of 75,000 votes across Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

Plenty happened/didn?t happen that could have changed a micro thin fraction of US voters that nothing to do with mail in voting - an option that pre-dated 2020 going back to the 19th Century.

States make their own presidential election rules, not the federal government. Seems a little counter-intuitive that a champion of decentralization would be in favor of virtually ANYTHING that takes away from the federalist structure.
 
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