Election Aftermath

[tigermud]

Now here is something :lmao:

https://www.infowars.com/posts/mass...-but-can-we-restore-the-republic-friday-live/

Oh yeah I had forgotten all about that ol? Durham report. Excuse me while I hold my breath on that string along garbage. Ain?t going to amount to jack diddly shit Devin.

 

[tigermud]

When one major political party starts labeling the other major political party as a ?national security threat?, that should set off major alarm bells because that means that total tyranny is very near. Needless to say, Democrats and Republicans have always had bitter words for one another, but when you start calling the other side a ?national security threat? that is taking things to an entirely different level. Al-Qaeda was a ?national security threat?, and so we invaded Afghanistan. ISIS was a ?national security threat?, and so we bombed them into oblivion. The full weight of U.S. power is often used to ?neutralize? national security threats, and so when a former Department of Homeland Security official went on MSNBC and said that the Republican Party is now a more serious national security threat than either Al-Qaeda or ISIS, that sent chills down the spines of a whole lot of people?

Miles Taylor, a former Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official, made the comment during a Thursday interview on MSNBC?s ?The Reid Out.?

?I?ve spent my whole career not as a political operative. I?ve never worked on a campaign in my life other than campaigning against Trump. I?m a national security guy. I?ve worked in national security against ISIS, al Qaeda and Russia,? Taylor said.

?And the No. 1 national security threat I?ve ever seen in my life to this country?s democracy is the party that I?m in ? the Republican Party. It is the No. 1 security national security threat to the United States of America,? he said.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/n...ational-security-threat-united-states-america

 

[tinselwolverine]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Yeah I heard about this. So what?

 

[Gulo Blue]

When one major political party starts labeling the other major political party as a ?national security threat?, that should set off major alarm bells because that means that total tyranny is very near. Needless to say, Democrats and Republicans have always had bitter words for one another, but when you start calling the other side a ?national security threat? that is taking things to an entirely different level. Al-Qaeda was a ?national security threat?, and so we invaded Afghanistan. ISIS was a ?national security threat?, and so we bombed them into oblivion. The full weight of U.S. power is often used to ?neutralize? national security threats, and so when a former Department of Homeland Security official went on MSNBC and said that the Republican Party is now a more serious national security threat than either Al-Qaeda or ISIS, that sent chills down the spines of a whole lot of people?

Miles Taylor, a former Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official, made the comment during a Thursday interview on MSNBC?s ?The Reid Out.?

?I?ve spent my whole career not as a political operative. I?ve never worked on a campaign in my life other than campaigning against Trump. I?m a national security guy. I?ve worked in national security against ISIS, al Qaeda and Russia,? Taylor said.

?And the No. 1 national security threat I?ve ever seen in my life to this country?s democracy is the party that I?m in ? the Republican Party. It is the No. 1 security national security threat to the United States of America,? he said.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/n...ational-security-threat-united-states-america

Campaigning against Trump doesn't make him a democrat. Wikipedia says he's a republican. He's a former Trump appointee. Republicans calling Republicans a national security threat isn't one party calling the other party anything.

This is of course, exactly what Tinsel just said, but I'm developing a habit of repeating him with alternate wording.

 

[JScottWriter]

When one major political party starts labeling the other major political party as a ?national security threat?, that should set off major alarm bells because that means that total tyranny is very near. Needless to say, Democrats and Republicans have always had bitter words for one another, but when you start calling the other side a ?national security threat? that is taking things to an entirely different level. Al-Qaeda was a ?national security threat?, and so we invaded Afghanistan. ISIS was a ?national security threat?, and so we bombed them into oblivion. The full weight of U.S. power is often used to ?neutralize? national security threats, and so when a former Department of Homeland Security official went on MSNBC and said that the Republican Party is now a more serious national security threat than either Al-Qaeda or ISIS, that sent chills down the spines of a whole lot of people?

Miles Taylor, a former Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official, made the comment during a Thursday interview on MSNBC?s ?The Reid Out.?

?I?ve spent my whole career not as a political operative. I?ve never worked on a campaign in my life other than campaigning against Trump. I?m a national security guy. I?ve worked in national security against ISIS, al Qaeda and Russia,? Taylor said.

?And the No. 1 national security threat I?ve ever seen in my life to this country?s democracy is the party that I?m in ? the Republican Party. It is the No. 1 security national security threat to the United States of America,? he said.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/n...ational-security-threat-united-states-america

That's not their democrats calling the party a national security threat, that was a republican calling his own party a national security threat.

 

[Michchamp]

When one major political party starts labeling the other major political party as a ?national security threat?, that should set off major alarm bells because that means that total tyranny is very near. Needless to say, Democrats and Republicans have always had bitter words for one another, but when you start calling the other side a ?national security threat? that is taking things to an entirely different level. Al-Qaeda was a ?national security threat?, and so we invaded Afghanistan. ISIS was a ?national security threat?, and so we bombed them into oblivion. The full weight of U.S. power is often used to ?neutralize? national security threats, and so when a former Department of Homeland Security official went on MSNBC and said that the Republican Party is now a more serious national security threat than either Al-Qaeda or ISIS, that sent chills down the spines of a whole lot of people?

Miles Taylor, a former Department of Homeland Security (DHS) official, made the comment during a Thursday interview on MSNBC?s ?The Reid Out.?

?I?ve spent my whole career not as a political operative. I?ve never worked on a campaign in my life other than campaigning against Trump. I?m a national security guy. I?ve worked in national security against ISIS, al Qaeda and Russia,? Taylor said.

?And the No. 1 national security threat I?ve ever seen in my life to this country?s democracy is the party that I?m in ? the Republican Party. It is the No. 1 security national security threat to the United States of America,? he said.

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/n...ational-security-threat-united-states-america

this is all true, but don't forget the GOP did the SAME FUCKING THING to anyone who expressed any hesitation about going along with whatever the Bush Administration wanted, or who criticized warrantless wiretapping, domestic surveillance, torture, indefinite detention of "enemy combatants" etc.

 

[Gulo Blue]

any precedent for someone calling the press an enemy of the state?

 

[Gulo Blue]

You know what IS a national security threat?

UFOs

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/25/dod-ufo-report-unexplained-could-security-threat/

 

[tigermud]

this is all true, but don't forget the GOP did the SAME FUCKING THING to anyone who expressed any hesitation about going along with whatever the Bush Administration wanted, or who criticized warrantless wiretapping, domestic surveillance, torture, indefinite detention of "enemy combatants" etc.

I never supported the Cheney Bush, trump win in 2016 in part because he wasn?t a rhino

 

[tigermud]

You know what IS a national security threat?

UFOs

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/jun/25/dod-ufo-report-unexplained-could-security-threat/

They are calling them UAP?s now

Unidentified aerial phenomenon

 

[Thumb]

I never supported the Cheney Bush, trump win in 2016 in part because he wasn?t a rhino

He absolutely was/is a RINO.

 

[Michchamp]

He absolutely was/is a RINO.

he said rhino.

he meant literally that he was not a rhinoceros.

 

[tinselwolverine]

he said rhino.

he meant literally that he was not a rhinoceros.

Yes.

Right.

Trump is a lot of things.

He?s not a rhinoceros.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4klHGcslxlw

 

[Spartanmack]

So odd that this isn't more widely reported in the mainstream media.
FBI Played Larger Role in Whitmer Kidnapping Case Than Previously Reported: FBI Informants Helped Hatch the Plot!.

the FBI was involved in every aspect of the Whitmer kidnapping case ? starting with its inception! FBI informants/agents actually helped hatch the kidnapping plot which means there would be no conspiracy case without the FBI. One FBI informant organized all the meetings early on and paid for hotel rooms and food to entice the patsies.

Here are some more details

The report said that at the Michigan Capitol, the men met 37-year-old Adam Fox, who was portrayed by the report as being the most aggressive member of the group, up to the point where he made other members uncomfortable with his alleged calls for violence and they ask that he not be included in events.

Apparently the noniformants wanted to get rid of some psychopath extremist (this guy Fox) but the FBI informant insisted on keeping him around.

Fox, some of the Watchmen began privately remarking to one another, appeared to operate on a different level. On June 18, the Watchmen met Fox as a group for the first time outside the Capitol in Lansing at a Second Amendment Rally. He made a show of patting everyone down to check for recording devices ? he failed to notice Dan?s ? and seemed prepared to storm the building that very day. Fox?s plan A was to rush in and execute all the legislators on live television, according to court documents and testimony. If that didn?t work, there was always plan B, which was to lock the doors and burn the building to the ground with everyone in it. ?

[One member of the group] became convinced that Fox was out of his mind and repeatedly shared those concerns with Dan [FBI Informant], court testimony shows. Morrison, the group?s commanding officer, also expressed reservations about Fox. But Dan used his growing influence to include Fox in group meetings and to develop his own personal relationship with him. Fox, in turn, began referring to Dan as his ?brother,? according to Fox?s former fianc?. ?

Dan [FBI Informant] was now the Watchmen?s highest-ranking officer. He and Fox began planning in earnest, meeting up and spending hours on the phone. At one point, Dan encouraged Fox to ?write a manifesto? of his belief system and his plans, but Keller, his fianc?, said she told him that was a terrible idea.

The report noted that several other members of the group expressed reservations about kidnapping Whitmer, saying that they had joined the group for training. Meanwhile, Dan, who was getting paid by the FBI, was trying to recruit other people into the plot as the FBI kept pushing him ?to use his influence to bring more people into the developing kidnapping plot.?

The report noted how even a progressive black public defender, who was representing one of the suspects who flew a Confederate flag outside his home, said that he believes that his client was being charged not for his actions but his speech and he did not believe that his client was a terrorist.

I believe this is called entrapment. Of course it's outrageous to even think the Jan 6 mostly peaceful insurrection could have involved any government agencies setting people up. What's the biggest charge out of that so far, felony trespass?

 

[Michchamp]

So odd that this isn't more widely reported in the mainstream media.
FBI Played Larger Role in Whitmer Kidnapping Case Than Previously Reported: FBI Informants Helped Hatch the Plot!.



Here are some more details



Apparently the noniformants wanted to get rid of some psychopath extremist (this guy Fox) but the FBI informant insisted on keeping him around.







I believe this is called entrapment. Of course it's outrageous to even think the Jan 6 mostly peaceful insurrection could have involved any government agencies setting people up. What's the biggest charge out of that so far, felony trespass?

so odd you didn't raise any concerns about entrapment before this, even though the FBI has been doing it for a long time, and started doing it a lot more against hapless Muslim teenagers after 9/11:

Jessie Norris, a criminal justice professor at the State University of New York at Fredonia, evaluated 580 terrorism prosecution cases and found that 317 of them involved some type of entrapment by law enforcement officials.​

are you really concerned about entrapment, or just upset now because they used it against people you support or sympathize with politically?

same goes for facebook/twitter/youtube censorship...

I'd like to see some principled Republicans that actually raised a peep in complaint about this when they were in power.

 

[Spartanmack]

so odd you didn't raise any concerns about entrapment before this, even though the FBI has been doing it for a long time, and started doing it a lot more against hapless Muslim teenagers after 9/11:

Jessie Norris, a criminal justice professor at the State University of New York at Fredonia, evaluated 580 terrorism prosecution cases and found that 317 of them involved some type of entrapment by law enforcement officials.​

are you really concerned about entrapment, or just upset now because they used it against people you support or sympathize with politically?

but Spartanmack, what about...?

same goes for facebook/twitter/youtube censorship...

I'd like to see some principled Republicans that actually raised a peep in complaint about this when they were in power.

Do you really think Republicans only started complaining about internet censorship after the recent election?

 

[Michchamp]

but Spartanmack, what about...?

it's not "what about."

uh oh, are you going to stop claiming every post you disagree with is a straw argument and start claiming it's whataboutism now?

 

[Spartanmack]

it's not "what about."

uh oh, are you going to stop claiming every post you disagree with is a straw argument and start claiming it's whataboutism now?

it's the definition of whataboutism. You can't criticize blatant entrapment to create a BS narrative about domestic extremism to influence an election if you also don't catalog and opine on every case that may have involved entrapment.

It's classic whataboutism because you don't want to make a bigger ass of yourself defending those tactics that destroy the narrative you desperately rely on about people you hate. You need to believe that not only do right wing extremists pose a threat to society, they pose the biggest threat to society. But you don't realize you're actually making a bigger ass of yourself downplaying an actual threat (recall muslim extremists killed over 3,000 people and destroyed 2 skyscrapers on September 11th) and manufacturing another out of your own self-loathing.

 

[Michchamp]

it's the definition of whataboutism. You can't criticize blatant entrapment to create a BS narrative about domestic extremism to influence an election if you also don't catalog and opine on every case that may have involved entrapment.

It's classic whataboutism because you don't want to make a bigger ass of yourself defending those tactics that destroy the narrative you desperately rely on about people you hate. You need to believe that not only do right wing extremists pose a threat to society, they pose the biggest threat to society. But you don't realize you're actually making a bigger ass of yourself downplaying an actual threat (recall muslim extremists killed over 3,000 people and destroyed 2 skyscrapers on September 11th) and manufacturing another out of your own self-loathing.

I think you can't actually oppose entrapment if you only oppose it when it happens to "your side."

Same with the censorship argument.

I'd like to see Conservatives start to acknowledge the same abusive conduct by the police and other authorities when it's directed against those they don't like. that's all I'm saying. FWIW, I think the same applies to liberals and Leftists who cheer Trump et al getting deplatformed

that being said, sounds like at least one member of the group - fox - wasn't entrapped... the guy was pushing to storm the capital and kill Michigan representatives without any prodding from the informants at all. Yikes.

 

[Spartanmack]

I think you can't actually oppose entrapment if you only oppose it when it happens to "your side."

Same with the censorship argument.

Maybe but that's not what's happening here. the fact that no one has posted about other entrapment cases doesn't mean they only oppose it when it's convenient. You're presuming people are only opposed to entrapment when it suits them and you use "whataboutism" to discredit them rather than argue in favor of entrapment or, God forbid, agree when it happens to people you don't like.

I'd like to see Conservatives start to acknowledge the same abusive conduct by the police and other authorities when it's directed against those they don't like. that's all I'm saying. FWIW, I think the same applies to liberals and Leftists who cheer Trump et al getting deplatformed

But conservatives oppose abusive police and other authorities. No one supports people like that. The difference is "conservatives" don't fall for the lies about rampant police brutality and systemic racism.

that being said, sounds like at least one member of the group - fox - wasn't entrapped... the guy was pushing to storm the capital and kill Michigan representatives without any prodding from the informants at all. Yikes.

According to the report referenced in the linked piece, he wasn't a member until very recently and most of the Watchmen wanted to get rid of Fox because he was crazy but the informant kept him around. He probably recruited the guy.

The report said that at the Michigan Capitol, the men met 37-year-old Adam Fox, who was portrayed by the report as being the most aggressive member of the group, up to the point where he made other members uncomfortable with his alleged calls for violence and they ask that he not be included in events. But Dan, the FBI informant, kept Fox around, despite objects from the accused men.

It sounds like this Fox guy is mentally ill and the FBI used him to entrap a group of militia guys they didn't like and wanted to use to push their narrative about the threat from violent far right extremists.