Election

[Spartanmack]

It's amazing the Republicans have ever won a single election when you put it like that.

how is that? And is it as amazing as saying fraud doesn't exist because it hasn't been proved? The idea that this election or any other has been proven to be legitimate is absurd. There's never been a serious effort to prevent or investigate it - there's been far more energy spent stopping efforts to mitigate it, of course they're usually labeled as racist voter suppression so rubes will be offended and support the efforts to prevent them.

 

[Spartanmack]

The same Powell that the Trump team said wasn't part of his legal team?

Probably if he's talking about Powell that's the US Attorney General since the Attorney General isn't one of the President's lawyers.

 

[sggatecl]

how is that? And is it as amazing as saying fraud doesn't exist because it hasn't been proved? The idea that this election or any other has been proven to be legitimate is absurd. There's never been a serious effort to prevent or investigate it - there's been far more energy spent stopping efforts to mitigate it, of course they're usually labeled as racist voter suppression so rubes will be offended and support the efforts to prevent them.

Yet I'm willing to bet you and 99% of the MAGA universe have never thrown a tantrum like this after any other presidential election, regardless of the outcome.

Voter fraud exists, I have no doubt about it since we've seen people go to jail for it. But to claim it exists on such a scale that allows Trump to get his ass handed to him by Biden in 2020 (while his party maintains Senate control) yet manages to fail at electing 'the Chosen One' in Hillary Clinton in 2016 is preposterous.

One could argue that the last two presidential voting cycles, where polling that has always been fairly reliable, are proof that voter fraud indeed occurred but in favor of Trump considering how much he outperformed the polls by. Now, that would be absurd since there is no evidence to support it. But it doesn't seem like evidence is really a requirement from what I see happening the last couple weeks. We can just say, "it's reallllllly hard to prove guys, just trust me. They cheated."

 

[sggatecl]

Probably if he's talking about Powell that's the US Attorney General since the Attorney General isn't one of the President's lawyers.

Barr is the attorney general.

Sidney Powell, releaser of the krakens, is/was part of Trump's team led by the inscrutable Rudy Guliani.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So here’s a thing - I’m remembering 2000 - I didn’t vote for either asshole, just like this time - Bush had apparently won - close as it was, Bush won the first count and the recount and the FL Secretary of State or whatever- it was a chick who wore too much make up- certified the FL election- and Dems blew up like she had broke into their homes and stole their kids.

And the narrative was EXACTLY flipped- the Repubs were screaming “we must make the transition or the world will end” - and the Dems were saying “stay calm-there’s plenty of time to let the process play out.”

So where is J’Biden - the “unification candidate,” whose chances of NOT being confirmed as elected by the Electoral College on Jan 14, certified as elected by the Congress on Jan 6 and assuming the office on Jan 20 at noon are about the same as that meteor or asteroid or whatever came fairly close to colliding with Earth Election Day circling back and taking another shot - not echoing what Democrats were saying 20 years ago, when the shoe was on the other foot?

“Let’s let the process play out.”

Some unification candidate.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Barr is the attorney general.

Sidney Powell, releaser of the krakens, is/was part of Trump's team led by the inscrutable Rudy Guliani.

Oh - I?m sorry I didn?t look at your link before I made my last post - I could have butt slammed both sides on the same post.

There is a whole lot of fucked up shit about Sydney Powell?s claims of her abilities.

Let?s start with the Kraken itself. The Kraken is a mythological sea creature of Nordic origin - Odin, and Thor, Loki, and all them.

In ?The Clash of the Titans,? Sir Laurence Olivier as Zeus - Greek - instructs Maggie Smith - forget which mythic figure she was; didn?t watch the flick, looked it up on iMDB and YouTube - to ?release the Kraken.?

In reality, non-existent Greek Zeus wouldn?t know non-existent Norse sea monster Kraken from his own non-existent asshole.

So Sydney Powell, who has demonstrated she also doesn?t know different mythic constructs from her own asshole brings in a third completely unrelated mythic construct - the Bible, in Biblical proportion - into the whole mythology clusterfuck?

WTF?

If I?m Trump I?m taking Rudy Giuliani sweating hair color down his face, braying about whatever he happened to be sweating and braying and dripping hair dye down his face about at a given time, all day long.

 

[Gulo Blue]

So here?s a thing - I?m remembering 2000 - I didn?t vote for either asshole, just like this time - Bush had apparently won - close as it was, Bush won the first count and the recount and the FL Secretary of State or whatever- it was a chick who wore too much make up- certified the FL election- and Dems blew up like she had broke into their homes and stole their kids.

And the narrative was EXACTLY flipped- the Repubs were screaming ?we must make the transition or the world will end? - and the Dems were saying ?stay calm-there?s plenty of time to let the process play out.?

So where is J?Biden - the ?unification candidate,? whose chances of NOT being confirmed as elected by the Electoral College on Jan 14, certified as elected by the Congress on Jan 6 and assuming the office on Jan 20 at noon are about the same as that meteor or asteroid or whatever came fairly close to colliding with Earth Election Day circling back and taking another shot - not echoing what Democrats were saying 20 years ago, when the shoe was on the other foot?

?Let?s let the process play out.?

Some unification candidate.

I think the big difference was that the legal issue and the recount margin was enough to flip the election. That doesn't exist here. And Bush's administration was set back by the stalled transition. He had people working his entire last year in office to make sure Obama started off on better footing than he did.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Oh - I’m sorry I didn’t look at your link before I made my last post - I could have butt slammed both sides on the same post.

There is a whole lot of fucked up shit about Sydney Powell’s claims of her abilities.

Let’s start with the Kraken itself. The Kraken is a mythological sea creature of Nordic origin - Odin, and Thor, Loki, and all them.

In “The Clash of the Titans,” Sir Laurence Olivier as Zeus - Greek - instructs Maggie Smith - forget which mythic figure she was; didn’t watch the flick, looked it up on iMDB and YouTube - to “release the Kraken.”

In reality, non-existent Greek Zeus wouldn’t know non-existent Norse sea monster Kraken from his own non-existent asshole.

So Sydney Powell, who has demonstrated she also doesn’t know different mythic constructs from her own asshole brings in a third completely unrelated mythic construct - the Bible, in Biblical proportion - into the whole mythology clusterfuck?

WTF?

If I’m Trump I’m taking Rudy Giuliani sweating hair color down his face, braying about whatever he happened to be sweating and braying and dripping hair dye down his face about at a given time, all day long.

Pretty sure it was a dude, not Maggie Smith, that released the Kraken. Poseidon? Some guy with a beard underwater.


edit: can't find the video. I found a video of Zeus telling Maggie Smith to release the Kraken, but I still think I remember a dude with a beard underwater reacting to the Kraken releasing.


edit2: found it, here he is turning a crank and releasing the Kraken:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRvIfjglF_I

 

[Spartanmack]

Yet I'm willing to bet you and 99% of the MAGA universe have never thrown a tantrum like this after any other presidential election, regardless of the outcome.

Voter fraud exists, I have no doubt about it since we've seen people go to jail for it. But to claim it exists on such a scale that allows Trump to get his ass handed to him by Biden in 2020 (while his party maintains Senate control) yet manages to fail at electing 'the Chosen One' in Hillary Clinton in 2016 is preposterous.

One could argue that the last two presidential voting cycles, where polling that has always been fairly reliable, are proof that voter fraud indeed occurred but in favor of Trump considering how much he outperformed the polls by. Now, that would be absurd since there is no evidence to support it. But it doesn't seem like evidence is really a requirement from what I see happening the last couple weeks. We can just say, "it's reallllllly hard to prove guys, just trust me. They cheated."

what tantrum? this is one of less than a handful of posts I've made on this topic and I haven't made any claims about the impact on the outcome of the election. I've said this and more about election integrity in the past. I think now and in the past there has been more than enough evidence for this to be taken seriously and investigated and I find it strange that the Dems fight so hard against any efforts to do it. If it's not a problem, they should have nothing to fear from it being investigated.

I don't see how losing the presidency while gaining in the house and maybe holding on to the senate is proof of anything, let alone support for the legitimacy of the election. And what does Clinton losing have to do with it? If you're basing your argument on coincidences and other nonsensical arguments like down ballot outcomes, then how do you explain how a guy who couldn't get 20 people to show up for a campaign event somehow gets more votes than any presidential candidate in history.

And no, one can't argue that because the polls have been more wrong than you think. Reagan outperformed the polls by 3.75% in 1980, Clinton underperformed vs. polls by 5.99% in 1992 & 2.77% in 1996, McCain beat the polls by 3.64% in 2008 so Trump's +4.09% in 2016 shouldn't come as such a big surprise. Clearly, polling has not always been fairly reliable, especially when you look at the last 3 elections where the media has been promising a blue wave, yet consistently disappoints themselves. One could actually argue that the polls are not consistently reliable and are more of a media tool for influencing elections. Seems so odd that the team that argues voter ID laws are a form of racist voter suppression would be so incredulous about this.

 

[Spartanmack]

Barr is the attorney general.

Sidney Powell, releaser of the krakens, is/was part of Trump's team led by the inscrutable Rudy Guliani.

duh, I was mashing up the Attorney General and Fed Reserve Chairman's names thinking William Powell was the AG. That's pretty embarrassing.

 

[tigermud]

Absent solid information, speculation leads us either to “This is the beginning of the end” or “This is all part of the plan” – and I’m leaning to the latter.

There is no wide spread voter fraud evidence

“Yet” provided to the judicial

Thanks to the irresponsible MSM however once exposed for all to see and overturned in the SC the left will NOT except this and compromise will be made via the house/senate

 

[Michchamp]

Absent solid information, speculation leads us ....

There is solid information. No need for speculation here.

 

[tigermud]

There is solid information. No need for speculation here.

The deadline is dec 14th

 

[Michchamp]

I read that Powell is attributing Trump's election loss to Hugo Chavez's government (even though he died in 2013) and George Soros. of course.... When you get included as one of the Boogey Men pulling the strings behind the scenes, you become immortal, maybe. Even death doesn't stop you.

Come on guys... I know we're supposed to give "both sides" airtime here, but when your attorney is actually spouting QANON bullshit, it's time to move on.

You can do and say whatever on the internet, but going to court... that's where the rubber hits the road, man! There's an actual judge there, and you have to present actual evidence to him. You can't just say "I don't have evidence... YET... but I just feel like there was definitely election fraud because my guy lost" and not get your ass thrown out at the pleading stage.

Trump himself isn't that dumb... Powell and Rudy G come cheap, since they're unemployable otherwise, and he can preserve the idea that he's fighting in court, while using most of the donations to fund these lawsuits to actually pay off his campaign debts, so he doesn't have to use his own money for that.

 

[byco42]

I do not expect federal-election voter fraud claims to ever subside from now on, and the losing side will always make allegations and file lawsuits. My only positive that I can surmise is that this will direct us to devise a simpler, more universal, and manual voting methodology for general elections, and preferably for all elections.

 

[Michchamp]

I do not expect federal-election voter fraud claims to ever subside from now on, and the losing side will always make allegations and file lawsuits. My only positive that I can surmise is that this will direct us to devise a simpler, more universal, and manual voting methodology for general elections, and preferably for all elections.

I am okay with that. That's absolutely how it should be. Also, every American over 18 should be automatically registered to vote, without exception.

 

[Michchamp]

Now Rudy G is saying Sidney Powell isn't part of Trump's legal team.

I think maybe it's time to stop paying attention to any of these people or the things they're saying.

 

[byco42]

Now Rudy G is saying Sidney Powell isn't part of Trump's legal team.

I think maybe it's time to stop paying attention to any of these people or the things they're saying.

Powell will continue, according to herself, press on.

 

[Spartanmack]

One could argue that the last two presidential voting cycles, where polling that has always been fairly reliable, are proof that voter fraud indeed occurred but in favor of Trump considering how much he outperformed the polls by. Now, that would be absurd since there is no evidence to support it. But it doesn't seem like evidence is really a requirement from what I see happening the last couple weeks. We can just say, "it's reallllllly hard to prove guys, just trust me. They cheated."

Here's an example of why it's so hard to detect. If you click on "U.S. President" under the "Precinct by Precinct Reports" section you will get the "The Statement of Votes Report" for Wayne County. The vast majority of precincts in Detroit had between 12 and 18% turnout on election day across 503 precincts. For the rest of the county, especially the presumably pro Trump sections, it's 22-28%. if you include the Absentee Vote Counting Board those percentages shoot up well north of 80%, but you can't compare that to Detroit because they didn't include AV votes by precinct.

If you go all the way down to page 117, you see Detroit pop up again with Absentee Vote Counting Board 1 thru AVCB 134 which don't include registered voter data. This accounts for about 173k absentee ballots cast which are unverified as to whether they actually came from a registered voter. This only happened in Detroit - every other Wayne County municipality reported AVs by precinct - every one, but not a single one of Detroits 503 precincts did. Of those 173k AVs, almost 150k showed up in one dump at 4am of which it's been reported that 97% went for Biden - that's virtually impossible, Trump could probably get more than 3% of the Chinese Communist Party to vote for him if they were allowed. So you have 173k unaccounted for ballots - not linked to a registered voter that can't be or simply weren't verified as belonging to registered voters, unlike 100% of the other precincts in Wayne county. Then you have people who challenged the authenticity of the ballots and the count were threatened, denied access to observe and ultimately they hung cardboard on the windows to prevent them from being observed. Witnesses who saw the 4am ballot dump and say it was counted in an impossibly small amount of time. Eye witnesses have also said they saw vote counters tampering with the tabulators. Many of these eyewitnesses signed affidavits as to what they saw. Also, as of four days ago, both Republicans who were doxed and received death threats until they flipped their votes to validate the election, are seeking to rescind their votes to certify.

That, in your mind is ZERO evidence of potential large scale voter fraud because the people accused of it say it didn't happen and anyone who challenges the legitimacy of the elections in districts where stuff like this happened is a lunatic conspiracy theorist.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Of those 173k AVs, almost 150k showed up in one dump at 4am of which it's been reported that 97% went for Biden - that's virtually impossible

Are you sure you're not confusing this with the story from Shiawassee? Because that was a typo, by a republican, and it was corrected.


That story is the first thing that comes up if I do a news search for "4am 150,000 votes detroit"

Just north of Lansing in Shiawassee County, Republican Clerk Caroline Wilson says she accidentally boosted Democrat Joe Biden?s unofficial lead from 15,371 to 153,710 ? more than twice the number of registered voters in the county ? during the early morning of Nov. 4.
?It was a typo,? Wilson told Bridge.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-g...typo-michigan-fuels-false-vote-dumping-claims