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[Spartanmack]

Technically, the gun stayed at his friends dad house in Kenosha. I think it had been purchased in Wisconsin. He hadn?t traveled across state lines with it. That came out today in the testimony. Actually I would imagine people following the case have known it for sometime, I heard it today for the first time.

I remember hearing it around the time of the incident.

 

[Spartanmack]

Looks like he will be acquitted of murder and probably should be. Nevertheless?

I hope he gets some kind of punitive action against him for basic dumbassery?weapons violation; curfew violation, refusal to disperse - same thing I would say and been saying about people who started as legitimate peaceful protesters when a riot broke out - when the police say disperse, they mean you and they mean now - gtfo!

the kid was there to prevent or put out fires and administer first aid - some psycho threatened to kill him for trying to put out a fire, another psycho fired a gun while the first psycho was assaulting him. The murder charge is absurd and I think it's equally absurd and massively hypocritical if he get's charged with a curfew violation or something just to appease mob while the same prosecutors let arsonists and rioters get away with assaulting cops and doing billions of dollars in damage.

 

[Spartanmack]

he was obviously looking for trouble, and got what he wanted. and the people viewing his actions as heroic - or even in a positive light - consider themselves "pro life" ... LMAO. you're all as base and as Bloodthirsty as any other reactionary group in history. pro life my ass.

pure speculation, not backed up by any facts - yet another swing and a miss. He was there to protect property and adminster first aid as needed. He was chased by psycho and did all he could to avoid the situation until he was cornered, assaulted and fired upon. He even shouted "friendly, friendly, friendly" as he was being chased.

Also, supporting obvious cases of self defense doesn't in anyway contradict opposing the brutal intentional murder of unborn babies who can't defend themselves. Yet another massive swing and a miss. Maybe you should change your avatar to this:

 

[tinselwolverine]

the kid was there to prevent or put out fires and administer first aid - some psycho threatened to kill him for trying to put out a fire, another psycho fired a gun while the first psycho was assaulting him. The murder charge is absurd and I think it's equally absurd and massively hypocritical if he get's charged with a curfew violation or something just to appease mob while the same prosecutors let arsonists and rioters get away with assaulting cops and doing billions of dollars in damage

I can?t agree with you more.

I know here in Los Angeles there was some fallout for
people who were arrested for being in the area of the riot, even if they were just charged with failure to disperse or a curfew violation, but the consequences were not as severe as I think they should?ve been. Not that they should?ve gone to jail forever or anything but should?ve been worse than they were.

I do think rioters, against whom evidence of property damage and destruction was discovered, were dealt with more harshly.

I?m not finding anything about arrests or charges related to the riots in Kenosha, except for the news about Rittenhouse.

 

[tomdalton22]

It appears that most of the evidence supports the defense. My gut tells me this kid was looking to help but he was also looking for trouble. The kid's an asshole. I don't think he deserves a 1st degree murder charge but I do hope he does some jail time.

 

[Spartanmack]

Seems like a pretty well meaning kid to me - was a life guard or something like that and an EMS volunteer and was there with others to prevent/put out fires and administer first aide - apparently he was carrying a medical kit. From what I read, Rosenbaum was the asshole looking for trouble - he and an armed rioter isolated Rittenhouse when he was trying to put out a fire Rosenbaum started. He did everything he could to get away until Rosenbaum and another rioter with a gun cornered him - witnesses say Rittenhouse was yelling ?friendly, friendly, friendly? as he was trying to run away. He ended up cornered, they threatened to kill him and the guy with the gun fired a shot into the air as Rosenbaum was attacking Rittenhouse. Rittenhouse and another were attempting to give Rosenbaum first aide after he shot him when other rioters started surrounding them threatening Rittenhouse. That?s when he fled to get cops and was again chased and assaulted by yet another group including another armed man who also pointed his gun at him before Rittenhouse shot him in the arm. This is all based on video evidence and eyewitness testimony. sounds to me like the kid did everything he could to get away from danger but ended up having to defend himself and the ones who got shot were the assholes - especially this Rosenbaum guy who by the way was convicted child molester who raped a couple underage boys. He won?t be missed.

 

[sggatecl]

Seems to me Rittenhouse did America 2 favors and almost a third.

if that guy had shot rittenhouse first, he'd have done America a favor.

Damn guys. I'm used to you both slinging shit at each other but that's pretty cold stuff.

 

[Spartanmack]

Damn guys. I'm used to you both slinging shit at each other but that's pretty cold stuff.

You quoted those posts out of order, which actually makes a difference. Not sure about the second guy and the survivor but Rosenbaum is a sociopath and a convicted child rapist. Hard to feel sorry for a guy like that after he committed arson and assaulted and threatened to murder a kid for trying to put out the fires he started.

This should serve as a warning to all stupid people - if someone is trying to put out a fire you started and they have a gun and you don?t, don?t try to assault or kill them because things are likely to turn out badly for you.

 

[sggatecl]

You quoted those posts out of order, which actually makes a difference. Not sure about the second guy and the survivor but Rosenbaum is a sociopath and a convicted child rapist. Hard to feel sorry for a guy like that after he committed arson and assaulted and threatened to murder a kid for trying to put out the fires he started.

Yeah, not intentional. I just clicked the multi quote buttons.

And I'll be honest, I don't know the backgrounds of the deceased. I just know they were killed by some kid that shouldn't have been there in the first place. I generally leave whether a person should be executed to a jury. Not some kid looking to play soldier.

This should serve as a warning to all stupid people - if someone is trying to put out a fire you started and they have a gun and you don?t, don?t try to assault or kill them because things are likely to turn out badly for you.

Your opinion on this matter seems to have changed since Jan 6th. I recall you being really upset that a woman busting through a barricade was shot instead of subdued. She seems to fit your criteria pretty well.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Do what the police tell you to do.

If the police tell you not to follow a black kid with skittles, do what they tell you.

If you?re a 17 year kid in Kenosha and at 8 pm you hear about a curfew, go inside.

Here?s two examples of guys whose lives are going to be or will continue to be fucked up because they ignored simple advisements of the police.

Oh, and if you?re a hot chick in San Diego - for the love of Mike don?t go to the Capitol on Jan. 6th thinking you?ll be able to stop the certification of the guy you didn?t vote for for president - it won?t change anything and you might be shot and killed by a cop doing his or her job.

 

[Michchamp]

Damn guys. I'm used to you both slinging shit at each other but that's pretty cold stuff.

In this context, getting a rifle and joining a vigilante group to defend a car lot is batshit insane.



It might seem somewhat normal, but that's just a sign of how far our society has gone down the shithole. And he's only 17; who knows what other extremely violent things this dipshit will go on to do.



Does make you wonder about what lead him here; he should be out doing normal 17-year-old things like smoking pot, drinking beer and trying to get laid. Or even normal nerdy 17-year-old things like building model airplanes and reading WWII books. Why he's playing wannabe cop and shooting protestors (regardless of whether one agrees with their behavior and reasons for protest) is a good question.


Hopefully he realizes how fucked up the mentality that lead him to Kenosha is. And he experiences some deep remorese over the fact that he killed two people and seriously wounded another for literally no reason, and gets the help he needs.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yeah, not intentional. I just clicked the multi quote buttons.

And I'll be honest, I don't know the backgrounds of the deceased. I just know they were killed by some kid that shouldn't have been there in the first place. I generally leave whether a person should be executed to a jury. Not some kid looking to play soldier.

Correction in the deceased background - it wasn?t 2 boys. Rosenbaum was convicted of raping 5 boys between the ages of 9-11 and was recently released from a mental hospital when he went straight to a riot and started lighting fires, assaulting and threatening to murder the defendant.

Your opinion on this matter seems to have changed since Jan 6th. I recall you being really upset that a woman busting through a barricade was shot instead of subdued. She seems to fit your criteria pretty well.

This is like comparing apples and airplanes - other than the mass gatherings the circumstances aren?t remotely similar. Nothing inconsistent about my opinions as in both instances they?re based on the circumstances on the ground.

 

[Michchamp]

Correction in the deceased background - it wasn?t 2 boys. Rosenbaum was convicted of raping 5 boys between the ages of 9-11 and was recently released from a mental hospital when he went straight to a riot and started lighting fires, assaulting and threatening to murder the defendant.



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snopes has details; it wasn't rape... but disgusting regardless. He had a pretty fucked up life according to snopes.

the other guy Rittenhouse murdered (Huber) had a domestic assault conviction for threatening his grandmother and brother with a knife when he was 18.

The third guy shot had no criminal history.

Of course, Rittenhouse had no idea about any of this; he went there to "defend a used car lot" and got to shoot people. He's a murderer, and even if he skates, there is no civilized country on Earth where the authorities should be allowed to pseudo deputize Hitler Youth wannabes like Rittenhouse to kill protestors.

The criminal background of the victims is - and should be - all immaterial to that case... from the snopes article, quoting the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

Psychologists have said the strategy ? whether intentional or not ? of shifting focus away from questionable violence and onto the past unlawful behavior of victims makes it easy for people to subscribe to the ?they had it coming? trope and justify deaths or injuries.

In response to that campaign, The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel released a statement on Sept. 1 in which it explained why the newspaper had not reported on the victims? past legal records. The statement read:

There is no evidence so far that the backgrounds of the three victims ? Anthony Huber, Joseph Rosenbaum and Gaige Grosskreutz ? had anything to do with the clashes that led to the deaths of Huber and Rosenbaum and the wounding of Grosskreutz.

They are the victims of a shooting, and as far as we can tell their past legal records have no bearing on them being shot during a protest.

If more facts emerge that show their backgrounds are relevant to what happened that night in Kenosha, we would revisit our decision. For instance, if there is evidence that any of the victims? backgrounds could have affected their interactions with Rittenhouse, or if he knew anything about them before the shooting.
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[Michchamp]

Imagine if some business owner in DC put out a call for help "defending the capital" from Trump's mob on January 6th, and some left-wing activist kid shot - hearing he was "defending democracy" showed up & killed two of them, and wounded a third, and the cops let him walk through their line, shieldiong him from any reprisals, and let him just go home?

"Oh, but it's different when we do it."

 

[Spartanmack]

snopes has details; it wasn't rape... but disgusting regardless. He had a pretty fucked up life according to snopes.
the other guy Rittenhouse murdered (Huber) had a domestic assault conviction for threatening his grandmother and brother with a knife when he was 18.

The third guy shot had no criminal history.

rape noun (1)
Definition of rape (Entry 1 of 4)
1: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against a person's will or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconsciousness, or deception

So Snopes is now further destroying their credibility (as if they have any) by becoming rape apologists? Or is that your interpretation - adults sexually abusing minors isn't rape or are you arguing it was consensual when he penetrated those 9-11 year old boys?

Good to know where you stand.

Also, Rittenhouse didn't murder anyone - want me to post the definition of that one too? Maybe they didn't teach that in law school, or maybe you were absent that day.

Of course, Rittenhouse had no idea about any of this; he went there to "defend a used car lot" and got to shoot people. He's a murderer, and even if he skates, there is no civilized country on Earth where the authorities should be allowed to pseudo deputize Hitler Youth wannabes like Rittenhouse to kill protestors.

The criminal background of the victims is - and should be - all immaterial to that case... from the snopes article, quoting the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel:

Psychologists have said the strategy ? whether intentional or not ? of shifting focus away from questionable violence and onto the past unlawful behavior of victims makes it easy for people to subscribe to the ?they had it coming? trope and justify deaths or injuries.

In response to that campaign, The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel released a statement on Sept. 1 in which it explained why the newspaper had not reported on the victims? past legal records. The statement read:

There is no evidence so far that the backgrounds of the three victims ? Anthony Huber, Joseph Rosenbaum and Gaige Grosskreutz ? had anything to do with the clashes that led to the deaths of Huber and Rosenbaum and the wounding of Grosskreutz.

They are the victims of a shooting, and as far as we can tell their past legal records have no bearing on them being shot during a protest.

If more facts emerge that show their backgrounds are relevant to what happened that night in Kenosha, we would revisit our decision. For instance, if there is evidence that any of the victims? backgrounds could have affected their interactions with Rittenhouse, or if he knew anything about them before the shooting.
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I'm not bringing up the criminal backgrounds of the dead to justify their deaths. I'm bringing it up to point out your hypocrisy when you say America would have been done a favor if instead of the good guy defending himself and killing a child molesting piece of human garbage who was trying to kill him, it was the other way around. Here it is in your sick, twisted and feeble mind:

17 year old kid, lifeguard, volunteer firefighter and medic attends riot to help put out fires and administer first aide - horrible person

38 year old child rapist, arsonist who attempted to kill someone for putting out a fire he started - good guy

In your own words, we as a country would be better off if the child rapist, arsonist, violent criminal killed the kid who went there with the best of intentions and did everything he could to avoid conflict with the rapist. That's messed up. You have to be pretty sick for that to be your take away from this.

 

[Michchamp]

not dignifying your bullshit with a further response.

 

[Spartanmack]

not dignifying your bullshit with a further response.

translation: can't refute facts or support your demented view, giving up (again) but claiming victory anyway (again).

By the way, people who call others nazis and Hitler Youth without a shred of evidence to support those aspersions can't claim to have any dignity - you have no dignity or shame. There is no depth you won't go to in order to push your twisted and sick views.

 

[tinselwolverine]

So Snopes is now further destroying their credibility (as if they have any) by becoming rape apologists? Or is that your interpretation - adults sexually abusing minors isn't rape or are you arguing it was consensual when he penetrated those 9-11 year old boys?

Good to know where you stand.

Also, Rittenhouse didn't murder anyone - want me to post the definition of that one too? Maybe they didn't teach that in law school, or maybe you were absent that day.



I'm not bringing up the criminal backgrounds of the dead to justify their deaths. I'm bringing it up to point out your hypocrisy when you say America would have been done a favor if instead of the good guy defending himself and killing a child molesting piece of human garbage who was trying to kill him, it was the other way around. Here it is in your sick, twisted and feeble mind:

17 year old kid, lifeguard, volunteer firefighter and medic attends riot to help put out fires and administer first aide - horrible person

38 year old child rapist, arsonist who attempted to kill someone for putting out a fire he started - good guy

In your own words, we as a country would be better off if the child rapist, arsonist, violent criminal killed the kid who went there today with the best of intentions and did everything he could to avoid conflict with the rapist. That's messed up. You have to be pretty sick for that to be your take away from this.

?Attends riot?with the best of intentions??

Now?that is a string of words you don?t come across every day.

EDIT: It?s ironic; when I started watching the trial on television yesterday I had so much more empathy for the kid than I have now, after reading your defense for him here on this forum?if the people of Kenosha wanted a conviction in this case?they should have hired YOU to be the prosecutor?

 

[Michchamp]

?Attends riot?with the best of intentions??

Now?that is a string of words you don?t come across every day.

EDIT: It?s ironic; when I started watching the trial on television yesterday I had so much more empathy for the kid than I have now, after reading your defense for him here on this forum?if the people of Kenosha wanted a conviction in this case?they should have hired YOU to be the prosecutor?

wait I'm confused. if he's bad at building sympathy for the kid, don't you mean defense attorney, not prosecutor?

 

[byco42]

Prosecutor: ?You say Kenosha is your community. But you don?t live in Kenosha, correct??

Rittenhouse: ?My dad lives in Kenosha.?

Prosecutor: ?Lots of people live in Kenosha. But you didn?t, correct??

Relevance, your Honor?