Fucking socialism

[Gulo Blue]

I did read someone saying the private sector could plow roads for cheaper in this thread. and its a pretty common argument from the right .

...and you think they couldn't because of Iraq? I had no idea that was the connection. If that's the link you were making, then it's just a stretch I don't follow, not a strawman.

 

[byco42]

Michchamp sometimes can make Eric Stratton seem like Clarence Darrow by comparison.

 

[Monster]

This thread is so full of win!

 

[Michchamp]

...and you think they couldn't because of Iraq? I had no idea that was the connection. If that's the link you were making, then it's just a stretch I don't follow, not a strawman.

sorry.

given the thread title and the topic, and the comment from whats his name, I figured I would take the opportunity to riff on the topic generally a bit in responding to the unsubstantiated claim that a private contractor can plow a road more cheaply than a local/state government.

i forgot you live on Mars and aren't familiar with the fact that the right/pro-business politicians (like Rahm Emanuel here in Chicago) have been pushing privatisation as a money saver pretty much everywhere for the last decade (from schools to mail, trash pickup to military logistics), and therefore it's fair to point out obvious flaws in that argument.

 

[Gulo Blue]

sorry.

given the thread title and the topic, and the comment from whats his name, I figured I would take the opportunity to riff on the topic generally a bit in responding to the unsubstantiated claim that a private contractor can plow a road more cheaply than a local/state government.

i forgot you live on Mars and aren't familiar with the fact that the right/pro-business politicians (like Rahm Emanuel here in Chicago) have been pushing privatisation as a money saver pretty much everywhere for the last decade (from schools to mail, trash pickup to military logistics), and therefore it's fair to point out obvious flaws in that argument.

You figured it out. I'm on Mars. I don't actually live within the city limits of LaLa, but I'm in one of the 'burbs. Not quite as cold here as it's been there lately. Main reason we don't worry about snow removal is low humidity.

Either way, we wouldn't do it like the Iraq War. Paying your past and future employers through no-bid contracts isn't socialism or capitalism.

 

[Gulo Blue]

This thread is so full of win!

Still waiting for the argument over best regional recipe for 65 year olds.

 

[Monster]

Still waiting for the argument over best regional recipe for 65 year olds.

The best year is 1937 at the moment. Great bitter taste.

 

[spockmaster]

Still waiting for the argument over best regional recipe for 65 year olds.

Hoisin-marinated "pork" loin over a bed of rice.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The best year is 1937 at the moment. Great bitter taste.

What do they have to be bitter about? Too young for WWII. In before the boomers...

 

[Monster]

What do they have to be bitter about? Too young for WWII. In before the boomers...

Skateboarders on the sidewalk, kids on their lawn, computer doo hickeys, obama, and socialist dems.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Skateboarders on the sidewalk, kids on their lawn, computer doo hickeys, obama, and socialist dems.

They're only complaining about Obama if they're still in a high tax bracket.

And even then some will still be liberal; when sbee is a crotchety old bastard he will probably still be an old rich lefty, and only complaining about the kids on his lawn.

 

[turok]

Good idea to break up and privatize the USPS.

For profit businesses will be very eager to serve rural and more sparsely populated areas of the nation, as well as as funding and fully staffing their own versions of the postal police, Office of the Inspector General, and Postmaster General. Spending tens if not hundreds of millions on policing the mails to prevent fraud and theft should please stockholders who would be loathe to see the costs of doing so passed onto their customers, especially the bulk mailers, whose lobby in DC is quite powerful...since they already are granted deep discounts from the USPS for presorting their junk mail down as far as the carriers' actual walk sequence, which is redundant when considering that any pre-sortation beyond the 5 digit zip codes is pointless, since the mail still must be manually/mechanically unsorted when added to the daily mail stream.

But hey....perhaps the bulkers will be given permission to deliver their junk mail directly to your doorstep/mailbox while using their own PT/temporary employees perhaps as often as a half-dozen times per day. Nevermind that these carriers will have permission to trespass and potentially scope out your property/domicile, b/c I am quite certain that these delivery businesses will do their due diligence by hiring only those whose backgrounds have been thoroughly vetted and checked out for any past/prior criminal activity...weeding out those who might take advantage of having virtually unfettered access to your property.

Oh....and I am quite sure that theres would be full cooperation and collaboration between competing/rival businesses when picking up/collecting/transferring/delivering mail, parcels, and packagers that did not originate and/or are not destined for delivery within their region or territory served, that they managed to carve out a mostly lucrative heaping helping slice of the former postal pie.

 

[Michchamp]

Good idea to break up and privatize the USPS.

For profit businesses will be very eager to serve rural and more sparsely populated areas of the nation, as well as as funding and fully staffing their own versions of the postal police, Office of the Inspector General, and Postmaster General. Spending tens if not hundreds of millions on policing the mails to prevent fraud and theft should please stockholders who would be loathe to see the costs of doing so passed onto their customers, especially the bulk mailers, whose lobby in DC is quite powerful. since they already are granted deep discounts for presorting their junk mail down as far as the carriers' actual walk sequence, which is redundant when considering that any pre-sortation beyond the 5 digit zip codes is pointless, since the mail still must be manually/mechanically unsorted when added to the daily mail stream.

But hey....perhaps the bulkers will be given permission to deliver their junk mail directly to your doorstep/mailbox while using their own PT/temporary employees perhaps as often as a half-dozen times per day. Nevermind that these carriers will have permission to trespass and potentially scope out your property/domicile, b/c I am quite certain that these delivery businesses will do their due diligence by hiring only those whose backgrounds have been thoroughly vetted and checked out for any past/prior criminal activity...weeding out those who might take advantage of having virtually unfettered access to your property. Oh....and I am sure that theres would be full cooperation and collaboration between competing/rival businesses when picking up/collecting/transferring/delivering mail, parcels, and packagers that did not originate and/or are not destined for delivery within their region or territory served, that they managed to carve out a mostly lucrative heaping helping slice of the former postal pie.

Privatizing the USPS? please explain to Red why you're talking about this and not exactly what he imagines you should be talking about.

if there's a couple posts relevant to this one elsewhere in the thread, link to them for his convenience, because he can't be expected to follow along with a thread while commenting in it (and that's not his fault).

 

[KAWDUP]

that's nice.

It is? Well I'll be hornswoggled.

Certainly by the fact that you responded at all would indicate an innate need to interject whenever I post in a thread. Goody for you.

Against privatization.

. . . of course we all know how liberal the Free Press is, but I am sure they must be right. Competition always hurts the long term interest of "everyone" in Champ's eyes. Better the costs just go up without getting anything in return but worse service.

 

[Thumb]

It is? Well I'll be hornswoggled.

horn?swog?gle
ˈh?rnˌsw?gəl/
verb
informal
past tense: hornswoggled; past participle: hornswoggled

1.
get the better of (someone) by cheating or deception.
"you mean to say you were hornswoggled?"


Were you also born yesterday and fall off the Turnip truck? I'm betting you also have a monkey for a nephew.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Privatizing the USPS? please explain to Red why you're talking about this and not exactly what he imagines you should be talking about.

if there's a couple posts relevant to this one elsewhere in the thread, link to them for his convenience, because he can't be expected to follow along with a thread while commenting in it (and that's not his fault).

Don't worry. I follow. Breaking up the USPS is wrong because of Iraq.

 

[KAWDUP]

horn?swog?gle
ˈh?rnˌsw?gəl/
verb
informal
past tense: hornswoggled; past participle: hornswoggled

1.
get the better of (someone) by cheating or deception.
"you mean to say you were hornswoggled?"


Were you also born yesterday and fall off the Turnip truck? I'm betting you also have a monkey for a nephew.

umm . . . wow . . . after all this time you still question my word usage. Maybe you need a lesson in insanity. You certainly seem like you have been beating your head against a wall for a long time.

horn?swog?gle (h?rnswgl)
tr.v. horn?swog?gled, horn?swog?gling, horn?swog?gles Chiefly Northern & Western U.S.
To bamboozle; deceive.

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[Origin unknown.]

Our Living Language We do not know the origin of hornswoggle. We do know that it belongs to a group of "fancified" words that were particularly popular in the American West in the 19th century. Hornswoggle is one of the earliest, first appearing around 1829. It is possible that these words were invented to poke fun at the more "sophisticated" East. Some other words of this ilk are absquatulate, also first appearing in the 1820s, skedaddle, first attested in 1861 in Missouri, and discombobulate, first recorded in 1916.


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hornswoggle (ˈhɔːnˌswɒɡəl)
vb
1. (tr) to cheat or trick; bamboozle
horn?swog?gle (ˈhɔrnˌswɒg əl)

v.t. -gled, -gling. Slang.
to swindle, cheat, hoodwink, or hoax.

Maybe I'll let you figure it out what possible meaning I could have meant in that context - keeping in mind the completely sarcastic nature of Champ's response. Keep in there swinging Thumb, maybe you'll actually figure it out someday. I highly doubt it however.

 

[turok]

Privatizing the USPS? please explain to Red why you're talking about this and not exactly what he imagines you should be talking about.

if there's a couple posts relevant to this one elsewhere in the thread, link to them for his convenience, because he can't be expected to follow along with a thread while commenting in it (and that's not his fault).

I read your post (#44) in this thread and decided to expand upon it:

"i forgot you live on Mars and aren't familiar with the fact that the right/pro-business politicians (like Rahm Emanuel here in Chicago) have been pushing privatisation as a money saver pretty much everywhere for the last decade (from schools to mail, trash pickup to military logistics)"

The well-known and influential rightwing think-tank being the Heritage Foundation has posted many articles regarding the reasons for breaking up and privatizing the USPS, however they do not also include what might occur as a result during and afterward, since doing so might be contrary to what they hope to achieve, which is to shrink government..even if it were to prove to be very detrimental, if not disastrous to the nation in the long term.

 

[KAWDUP]

horn?swog?gle
ˈh?rnˌsw?gəl/
verb
informal
past tense: hornswoggled; past participle: hornswoggled

1.
get the better of (someone) by cheating or deception.
"you mean to say you were hornswoggled?"


Were you also born yesterday and fall off the Turnip truck? I'm betting you also have a monkey for a nephew.

. . . and before you get your panties all in a bunch about my "hurled insults. Just look at your final statement.

 

[Michchamp]

I read your post (#44) in this thread and decided to expand upon it:

"i forgot you live on Mars and aren't familiar with the fact that the right/pro-business politicians (like Rahm Emanuel here in Chicago) have been pushing privatisation as a money saver pretty much everywhere for the last decade (from schools to mail, trash pickup to military logistics)"

The well-known and influential rightwing think-tank being the Heritage Foundation has posted many articles regarding the reasons for breaking up and privatizing the USPS, however they do not also include what might occur as a result during and afterward, since doing so might be contrary to what they hope to achieve, which is to shrink government..even if it were to prove to be very detrimental, if not disastrous to the nation in the long term.

marvelous. Red, you up to speed now?

. . . and before you get your panties all in a bunch about my "hurled insults. Just look at your final statement.

Don't be so sensitive. He didn't know you really have fallen off a turnip truck.