Game 12: Lions @ Ravens Thread

[boogerlovejoy]

They should know. You can have mental lapses even with good coaching

If you were having that many mental lapses a good coach would not have you in the game.

 

[LKP]

If you were having that many mental lapses a good coach would not have you in the game.

It's not one player all the time. It's one player here, one there later in a big play. Little things that add up and the opponents are taking advantage coupled with the lack of good Oline and Dline play due to injuries for the Lions


It's Decker missing one block, Prater missing one kick, Martin shanking one punt, one drop by Golladay, one missed assignment on the Wallace bomb. Adding up to down 30-20. Then pressure from a injured Oline leading to Stafford pick short field. Stafford injury leading to Rudock pick 6 and suddenly its' 44-20 from 27-20

 

[sggatecl]

Someone was supposed to block on the strip sack. Someone was supposed to help deep on the Wallace bomb or get pressure.

I'm almost positive Quin got beat deep under estimating Wallace's speed. He was the deep help.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

It's not one player all the time. It's one player here, one there later in a big play. Little things that add up and the opponents are taking advantage coupled with the lack of good Oline and Dline play due to injuries for the Lions


It's Decker missing one block, Prater missing one kick, Martin shanking one punt, one drop by Golladay, one missed assignment on the Wallace bomb. Adding up to down 30-20. Then pressure from a injured Oline leading to Stafford pick short field. Stafford injury leading to Rudock pick 6 and suddenly its' 44-20 from 27-20

Why aren't we taking advantage when the other team has these small mental lapses then?? Oh yeah, it's because we're poorly fucking coached!!!!!!!

Good teams don't have NEARLY as many as we do. Therefore, we aren't good.....as our record shows. You are getting owned in this thread. Time to bail!

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I'm almost positive Quin got beat deep under estimating Wallace's speed. He was the deep help.

Im not sure he really underestimated it as much as Mike Wallace is just much much faster than Quin is.

He was the deep man on that play. Apparently, he had the entire right side of the field and that is just too much space to cover.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

People can agree with me or not......certainly it's your prerogative.

I believe the Lions are a slightly below average team, who's quarterback makes them above average......who's coaching brings them back down to average.

Just my thoughts

Quinn's job is to get the roster to above average.....so Stafford can take us to good.....so our coaches can get us to great.

We don't have those coaches now.

 

[dubbsco]

Injured players mistakes, a few mistakes that the other healthy team capitalizes on.

Injured Oline can't protect enough. Injured Dline can't get pressure to force other team mistakes

So players make more mistakes when they are injured?

Dude, you are running out of shoreline here.

 

[Mitchrapp]

People can agree with me or not......certainly it's your prerogative.....but I believe the Lions are a slightly below average team, who's quarterback makes them above average......who's coaching brings them back down to average.

Just my thoughts

The team is below average in every category but K and QB. Just how much Matt S. is above average I'm not sure. He was part of the no scores first Q/first H.

 

[grandy]

Those poor Lions, some injuries and a few calls away from the Super Bowl every year.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

The team is below average in every category but K and QB. Just how much Matt S. is above average I'm not sure. He was part of the no scores first Q/first H.

Oh I'm with you. His fumbles hurt, no doubt. I believe we are above average in the secondary as well.

 

[grandy]

Oh I'm with you. His fumbles hurt, no doubt. I believe we are above average in the secondary as well.

Which is even more impressive considering what they have to work with up front.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Which is even more impressive considering what they have to work with up front.

IMO it's on of the main reasons guys like Lawson have taken a step back this year.......our pass rush is so anemic and our underneath coverage so bad it makes our back 4 or 5 look worse than it is.

Major improvements are needed. I do like what Quinn has done so far. We are a deeper team 1-53......but we need more starting talent.

 

[LKP]

IMO it's on of the main reasons guys like Lawson have taken a step back this year.......our pass rush is so anemic and our underneath coverage so bad it makes our back 4 or 5 look worse than it is.

Major improvements are needed. I do like what Quinn has done so far. We are a deeper team 1-53......but we need more starting talent.

Ngata, Hyder and Ansah hurt/playing hurt killed the pass rush. You are talking 3 of 4 starters. Robinson and Washington didn't step up and now Washington is hurt. Zettel did well but has been regressing of late. Hill got hurt as a pass rushing DT which leads to rookie Ledbetter getting extended playing time. Spence was a jack of all trades with experience but has sucked. Davis/Whitehead not much as blitzer. Wilson was a good blitzer but got hurt too.

Ansah a FA and Hyder/Ngata had major injuries. So they will go heavy on the Dline and will need better DT depth. Zettel, Washington can be a fringe starter and depth but they need to do more. So two DEs are now needed at least plus a pass rushing DT.

This will help Davis. Along with a year of experience under his belt. He must figure out his coverage problems though. Whitehead is solid but needs to be re-signed. A better SAM is needed. JRM is depth but need more (Bellore and Worrilow both failed). Bellore could be 6th LB though for ST or Longa. Copeland got hurt in offseason.

Oline. Need a LG to replace Glasgow moving to center or resign Swanson. There are some good centers in FA though. Decker, Lang, Wagner and Glasgow are set as 4 starters. A good backup swing tackle and guard are needed. Might be Dahl at guard but he got hurt. Corey Robinson is not the answer. Greg Robinson failed but worth a shot given the timing of the Decker injury (after FA and draft).

Running back. Get a power back.

CB2. Lawson or Hayden back cheap, Tabor improves in year 2 but still could sign a vet over all 3 of them. Would it be worth getting a Malcolm Butler to have Slay and Butler. That would be pretty shut down and make us really set at CB.

SS. Wilson is a FA. Can upgrade here and there are a lot in FA too this year. Killebrew a wild card but some reason they started Diggs.


8th most cap space and full draft. Can accomplish all of this

 

[tomdalton22]

Ngata, Hyder and Ansah hurt/playing hurt killed the pass rush. You are talking 3 of 4 starters. Robinson and Washington didn't step up and now Washington is hurt. Zettel did well but has been regressing of late. Hill got hurt as a pass rushing DT which leads to rookie Ledbetter getting extended playing time. Spence was a jack of all trades with experience but has sucked. Davis/Whitehead not much as blitzer. Wilson was a good blitzer but got hurt too.

Ansah a FA and Hyder/Ngata had major injuries. So they will go heavy on the Dline and will need better DT depth. Zettel, Washington can be a fringe starter and depth but they need to do more. So two DEs are now needed at least plus a pass rushing DT.

This will help Davis. Along with a year of experience under his belt. He must figure out his coverage problems though. Whitehead is solid but needs to be re-signed. A better SAM is needed. JRM is depth but need more (Bellore and Worrilow both failed). Bellore could be 6th LB though for ST or Longa. Copeland got hurt in offseason.

Oline. Need a LG to replace Glasgow moving to center or resign Swanson. There are some good centers in FA though. Decker, Lang, Wagner and Glasgow are set as 4 starters. A good backup swing tackle and guard are needed. Might be Dahl at guard but he got hurt. Corey Robinson is not the answer. Greg Robinson failed but worth a shot given the timing of the Decker injury (after FA and draft).

Running back. Get a power back.

CB2. Lawson or Hayden back cheap, Tabor improves in year 2 but still could sign a vet over all 3 of them. Would it be worth getting a Malcolm Butler to have Slay and Butler. That would be pretty shut down and make us really set at CB.

SS. Wilson is a FA. Can upgrade here and there are a lot in FA too this year. Killebrew a wild card but some reason they started Diggs.


8th most cap space and full draft. Can accomplish all of this

sounds like another holess superbowl bound team...just like the 2017 Lions
:nuts:

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Ngata, Hyder and Ansah hurt/playing hurt killed the pass rush. You are talking 3 of 4 starters. Robinson and Washington didn't step up and now Washington is hurt. Zettel did well but has been regressing of late. Hill got hurt as a pass rushing DT which leads to rookie Ledbetter getting extended playing time. Spence was a jack of all trades with experience but has sucked. Davis/Whitehead not much as blitzer. Wilson was a good blitzer but got hurt too.

Ansah a FA and Hyder/Ngata had major injuries. So they will go heavy on the Dline and will need better DT depth. Zettel, Washington can be a fringe starter and depth but they need to do more. So two DEs are now needed at least plus a pass rushing DT.

This will help Davis. Along with a year of experience under his belt. He must figure out his coverage problems though. Whitehead is solid but needs to be re-signed. A better SAM is needed. JRM is depth but need more (Bellore and Worrilow both failed). Bellore could be 6th LB though for ST or Longa. Copeland got hurt in offseason.

Oline. Need a LG to replace Glasgow moving to center or resign Swanson. There are some good centers in FA though. Decker, Lang, Wagner and Glasgow are set as 4 starters. A good backup swing tackle and guard are needed. Might be Dahl at guard but he got hurt. Corey Robinson is not the answer. Greg Robinson failed but worth a shot given the timing of the Decker injury (after FA and draft).

Running back. Get a power back.

CB2. Lawson or Hayden back cheap, Tabor improves in year 2 but still could sign a vet over all 3 of them. Would it be worth getting a Malcolm Butler to have Slay and Butler. That would be pretty shut down and make us really set at CB.

SS. Wilson is a FA. Can upgrade here and there are a lot in FA too this year. Killebrew a wild card but some reason they started Diggs.


8th most cap space and full draft. Can accomplish all of this

Diggs balled out Sunday. He plays like that every week and he'll make a ton of money.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.detroitlions.com/news/li...-quarter/07f50e3a-c047-4d68-a0f0-1f9d65f38738
STATS PACK: What's going wrong in first quarter?
Lions.com

The Lions have been outscored 36-3 in the first quarter over their last four games. It?s just too hard to come from behind and win that many times in this league, especially against good opponents.

Detroit ranks fourth in second quarter points scored (106) and eighth in third quarter points (70).

For whatever reason, the first quarter has been this team's nemesis. Will it continue to be for the next month?

Here?s a look at some other key stats ? good and bad ? after 13 weeks of football:

Only Indianapolis quarterback Jacoby Brissett has been sacked more times (47) than Matthew Stafford (39).

Wide receiver Marvin Jones Jr. has 11 catches of 25-plus yards on the year. Only Antonio Brown (12), Brandin Cooks (12) and DeAndre Hopkins (12) have more.
Not one Lions defender ranks in the top 25 in the NFL in either total tackles, sacks or stuffs.

Detroit?s offense is averaging 8.70 yards to go for a first down on second down. Only Buffalo (8.71) and Chicago (8.98) are worse.

Linebacker Nick Bellore scored his first career touchdown on a 1-yard touchdown pass in Baltimore Sunday. He is the first defensive player in the NFL to catch a touchdown pass since Texans LB J.J. Watt vs. Tennessee Nov. 20, 2014. He?s the first linebacker to do so since the Chiefs? Mike Vrabel at Houston Oct. 17, 2010.

The average starting field position for a Lions drive is the 29.2-yard line. That ranks in the top 10 in the NFL.

Detroit?s allowed 80 giveaway points, the third most in the league.

Matthew Stafford has a passer rating inside the opponent 30-yard line of 108.4. That?s fourth best in the NFL. Stafford continues to lead the league with a passer rating of 129.7 when he throws the ball at least 21 yards in the air.
His league-best 12 completions of 40-plus yards now rank as the second-most in a single season during his career (16 in 2011).

Detroit has the second most 20-plus-yard plays (45) over the last eight games. Only New Orleans (51) has more.

The Lions' defense is No. 1 in the NFL in the red zone on third down. Opponents are converting just 18.8 percent of the time. The league average is 38.8.

Opponents have had 22 1st and goal drives inside the 5-yard line. That?s seven more than the next team on the list, the New York Jets (15). Of those, opponents have scored a touchdown 16 times, the most in the NFL.

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/01/03/jim-caldwell-detroit-lions-coach/1000123001/
Detroit Lions GM Bob Quinn: 9 men on field 'will get straightened out'.
Freep

 

[mhughes0021]

Worst first down offense in the league

 

[Mitchrapp]

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/01/03/jim-caldwell-detroit-lions-coach/1000123001/
Detroit Lions GM Bob Quinn: 9 men on field 'will get straightened out'.
Freep

I'm glad he said that.. A GM that makes a HC accountable.