Game 48 Tigers vs. Marlins May 23, 2019

[manchild98]

ex-Tigers who were on the infamous '03 team, must be beginning to wonder if this current rendition of ongoing failures will be able to take away their AL crown for losses in a season. Even they didn't lose every game in a 9 (that should have been 10) game homestand. In fact, I have read some articles awhile ago about the 53-109 '96 Tigers team actually being worse in some stats than the '03 team was.

The 1996 team couldn't pitch at all. They had a 6.38 team ERA. But offensively they averaged 4.83 runs per game.

The 2003 team had a team ERA of 5.30. Offensively they averaged 3.65 runs per game.

This year's mess has a team ERA of 5.04 and offensively only averages 3.3 runs per game.

Now that the pitching has gone south from that non-sustainable hot start this team just looks absolutely awful...and really doesn't have any long term bright spots offensively. This is going to be decade long rebuild process. Not one single guy on this current roster will be wearing a Tiger uniform when we are finally a playoff team again.

 

[tigermud]

I know why I’m confused now it’s that stupid suspended to be resumed later game! I keep thinking it’s 10 losses in a row and not 9. For all practical purposes it is ten!

 

[tigermud]

I wonder what their music selection is after a 10 game losing streak.

I?d recommend some INSANE CLOWN POSSE for the clowns

https://youtu.be/8hyMG3b05u0

 

[Rebbiv]

Since starting 8-4, they have now gone 10-25 .286 WPCT. The have been outscored 221-125 (6.31 Runs vs 3.58 Runs). Their Pythagorean W-L is 14-32 for the season, which suggests a 49 win season.


Any tradeable player should be gone by July. Keeping anyone (Greene, Boyd, Castellanos, etc) would be asinine. So it certainly can get worse.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Castellanos better start hitting or he's not getting crap back.

 

[tomdalton22]

Any tradeable player should be gone by July. Keeping anyone (Greene, Boyd, Castellanos, etc) would be asinine. So it certainly can get worse.

I guess this game might have been perfect for the long term. Boyd lowered his ERA, Green wasn't charged a run and the Tigers lost which gets them closer to the #1 overall pick in 2021

 

[turok]

Since starting 8-4, they have now gone 10-25 .286 WPCT. The have been outscored 221-125 (6.31 Runs vs 3.58 Runs). Their Pythagorean W-L is 14-32 for the season, which suggests a 49 win season.


Any tradeable player should be gone by July. Keeping anyone (Greene, Boyd, Castellanos, etc) would be asinine. So it certainly can get worse.

Successfully trading those players and any others (Hicks) might guarantee a 40-42 win season, and SOMEONE's...cough...Avila ...cough...head should roll to help owner Chris I save face afterwards...he wouldn't be able to simply ignore historically epic failure. Obviously Avila does not want that to have any chance of happening, so he might call up one or two of their best SP/positional prospects to try to stem the mounting losses.

 

[tomdalton22]

Successfully trading those players and any others (Hicks) might guarantee a 40-42 win season, and SOMEONE's...cough...Avila ...cough...head should roll to help owner Chris I save face afterwards...he wouldn't be able to simply ignore historically epic failure. Obviously Avila does not want that to have any chance of happening, so he might call up one or two of their best SP/positional prospects to try to stem the mounting losses.

IMO, Calling up any of the top prospects on a team this bad would be a fireable offense.

 

[turok]

So maybe he is damned if he does or doesn't, but I don't see any team wanting Nick, who is a defensive liability in the OF and is not hitting well enough to help a contender or wanna-be contender. Not to mention that he is fresh out of controllable years and will likely become a FA after this season, absent agreeing to a (cheaper than @ this point last year) one or two year contract b/c he ain't deserving or worthy of any more than that.


Although it is still a week or so away from summer school and work vacay, the acres of empty seats @ CoPa aren't very likely to be reduced and will only expand, given their recent homegame ineptitude, and especially if the ballclub manages to offload whoever else they have left that puts butts in the seats....bringing up their studs, even for just a long cup of coffee @ home only would help boost attendance in June-August.

 

[tomdalton22]

So maybe he is damned if he does or doesn't, but I don't see any team wanting Nick, who is a defensive liability in the OF and is not hitting well enough to help a contender or wanna-be contender. Not to mention that he is fresh out of controllable years and will likely become a FA after this season, absent agreeing to a (cheaper than @ this point last year) one or two year contract b/c he ain't deserving or worthy of any more than that..

you never know...maybe nick sucks enough that nobody wants him in free agency and he comes back to the Tigers on a cheap deal?

 

[turok]

you never know...maybe nick sucks enough that nobody wants him in free agency and he comes back to the Tigers on a cheap deal?

Nick fucked that all up by hiring Borass, I think that was a mistake to do so on his part...look @ where Keuchel and Kimbrel are as his clients this season.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I always said should have taken a deal for Nick before the season. 1 year rental you might get more than a 2 month rental. And now that Nick is closer to Inge level.

 

[turok]

Although I hate seeing any Tiger traded within division, perhaps the tribe would have traded (or still could if he soon starts hitting more often with power) for Nick since the ballclub recently DFAed ex-Rockie OF CarGo.

 

[Rebbiv]

Castellanos better start hitting or he's not getting crap back.

Avila had his chance to trade him, but he wanted way too much in return.

Odds are he walks and DET gets nothing of substance for a draft pick. As pointed out, Nick is a defensive liability.




vs RHP

2019 = .244 BAVG .287 OBP .397 SLG .685 OPS 16.7 PA/BB

2018 = .273 BAVG .329 OBP .478 SLG .807 OPS 15.1 PA/BB

2017 = .266 BAVG .316 OBP .459 SLG .775 OPS 16.2 PA/BB

2016 = .315 BAVG .365 OBP .529 SLG .894 OPS 15.3 PA/BB

2015 = .230 BAVG .277 OBP .379 SLG .656 OPS 16.8 PA/BB

2014 = .266 BAVG .301 OBP .401 SLG .702 OPS 23.2 PA/BB


2016 is the outlier. Nick is somewhere between 2018 and 2015 for hitting against RHP, which is right around .252 BAVG .303 OBP .429 SLG .732 OPS. Hardly worthy of being a top of the order hitter against RHP or as a DH.

 

[turok]

I always said should have taken a deal for Nick before the season. 1 year rental you might get more than a 2 month rental. And now that Nick is closer to Inge level.

Post what ya want about Inge, but only he Sean Casey. and Carlos Guillen actually showed up with their bats in the '06 WS vs the Cards. ALCS Game 4 hero Magglio Ordonez went 1-20 with a BB and double, ALCS MVP Placido Polanco went 0-fer 19 .000 with a walk, and Curtis Granderson 2 singles for 19 PAs, .085.

 

[Rebbiv]

Post what ya want about Inge, but only he Sean Casey. and Carlos Guillen actually showed up with their bats in the '06 WS vs the Cards. ALCS Game 4 hero Magglio Ordonez went 1-20 with a BB and double, ALCS MVP Placido Polanco went 0-fer 19 .000 with a walk, and Curtis Granderson 2 singles for 19 PAs, .085.

There are reasons why players line Bucky Dent live in infamy. Anything can happen in a series (small sample size). Heck, it can happen to start a season/career (Chris Shelton).

 

[turok]

There are reasons why players line Bucky Dent live in infamy. Anything can happen in a series (small sample size). Heck, it can happen to start a season/career (Chris Shelton).

Yeah...a slap hitter like Polanco who rarely Ked being completely shut down for 5 games. Both he and Ordonez finished in the top 5 if not 1-2 in BA the following season, rhe latter with a 363 and the former @ .341 BA...go figure.


Their losing in 5 didn't really bother me nearly as much as the Tigers being swept by the Giants in the '12 WS. That '06 Tigers team had little prior postseason experience overall, unlike most of the Cards players, who had lost to the BoSox only two postseasons earlier in 'the '04 WS. But the '12 team had more than enough postseasoned vet players who somehow managed to be SHO in consecutive road and home Games 2 and 3...now that was truly and totally humiliating, frustrating, and embarrassing to watch.

 

[jas5lf]

I know why I?m confused now it?s that stupid suspended to be resumed later game! I keep thinking it?s 10 losses in a row and not 9. For all practical purposes it is ten!

Right now I'm going with 9.75 losses in a row. I may be giving the Tigers too much credit at 1 in 4 odds of winning the suspended game down 2 runs.

 

[byco42]

Post what ya want about Inge, but only he Sean Casey. and Carlos Guillen actually showed up with their bats in the '06 WS vs the Cards. ALCS Game 4 hero Magglio Ordonez went 1-20 with a BB and double, ALCS MVP Placido Polanco went 0-fer 19 .000 with a walk, and Curtis Granderson 2 singles for 19 PAs, .085.

Dusty Rhodes. Al Weiss. David Eckstein. Spontaneous examples of players overreaching in a WS. I'm sure there are more -- and they played on the winning teams.

Inge made the final out of the 06 WS and whined when Cabrera joined the team and whined some more when he couldn't hit water if he fell off an ocean liner and was sent to Toledo.

 

[kalinecountry]

Post what ya want about Inge, but only he Sean Casey. and Carlos Guillen actually showed up with their bats in the '06 WS vs the Cards. ALCS Game 4 hero Magglio Ordonez went 1-20 with a BB and double, ALCS MVP Placido Polanco went 0-fer 19 .000 with a walk, and Curtis Granderson 2 singles for 19 PAs, .085.

It was said after each series loss in '06 and '12 that the Tigers had to wait a week or more in each series, while the N.L. finished the championship series, which didn't help those Tigers' players and the pitchers.
Timing and schedule is so important all too often.