Game 65 Cleveland @ Tigers June 8 2018

[tigermud]

Tribe

Lindor
Brantley
Ramirez
Encarnacion
Alonso
Kipnis
Chisenhall
Perez
Allen

P: Bauer


Tigers

Martin
Nick
Miggy
Candy
Vmart
Goodrum
McCann
Iggy
Machado

P: Fulmer

 

[turok]

Iggy nabbed a two-bagger on a two-hopper hit to mid-CF...pretty good.

But TTBDNS...still 1-0.

 

[kalinecountry]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DfNLXrlX4AAgqlx.jpg
Your first-base coach this weekend.

 

[tigermud]

Fulmer hasn’t won a game at home since last July

 

[biggunsbob]

Crap shit offense fails again for Fulmer.

 

[biggunsbob]

Garbage Greene strikes again .. what a awful pitch. Just awful. Go ahead just lay it up on a tee for him SG. Right down the middle

 

[tigermud]

I’m ready to see joe take over the closer spot

 

[tigermud]

I’m going to bed now

 

[Mitchrapp]

Don't they say a closer in a non save game is not a good idea? Bummer. Not over yet but bummer.

 

[turok]

No rally goosing tonight...it took a dump on the Tigers dugout, and flew the coopa.

 

[kalinecountry]

Tigers 15-13 in their last 28 games against the likes of the Yankees, Red Sox, Mariners, Angels, Blue Jays, Twins and Indians with Artie Lewicki, Drew VerHagen, Ryan Carpenter and Blaine Hardy all making starts in that span.
Thankyou Tigers team and Gardenhire.
FU Avila, and Chris Ilitch.

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/indians...347#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=530347
Boxscore.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm not sold on Gardenhire yet. I don't like the way he uses the pitching, esp. the starters. I might have to give Avila some credit here .. Guys like Martin & Liriano I thought at the time were not smart moves.. We got Candy in a trade, and with all the injuries we've had -- some bench guys have had big games/hit's for us, Hicks and Goodrum (I thought this guy would suck) to name a couple.



Who knows long term but I will certainly give him a pass at this point.

 

[tomdalton22]

I'm not sold on Gardenhire yet. I don't like the way he uses the pitching, esp. the starters. I might have to give Avila some credit here .. Guys like Martin & Liriano I thought at the time were not smart moves.. We got Candy in a trade, and with all the injuries we've had -- some bench guys have had big games/hit's for us, Hicks and Goodrum (I thought this guy would suck) to name a couple.



Who knows long term but I will certainly give him a pass at this point.

what don't you like about how he uses his starters?

 

[Mitchrapp]

what don't you like about how he uses his starters?

For much of the season he' doesn't let them pitch. 1st time of trouble he goes to the BP. Our BP. I don't expect our pitchers to be like JV and go 115-120 pitches game after game.. but now and then, Like Boyd who has been the best so far, let him go a bit more sometimes..

What happens is they get takin' out and we end of using 4-5 RP. Which leads to another problem, if one our guys gets them out 1-2-3 in 11 pitches, bring them back out instead of another guy..

Like when we had they blowout last week vs the Angels. Boyd went 5 innings, and we had 5 RP pitch. Don't we have a LR guy that can pitch 3 innings or something.

Even the last game, Jimenez 1-2-3 on 13 pitches, why couldn't he go another inning of a tie game.

I guess that's it.

 

[tomdalton22]

For much of the season he' doesn't let them pitch. 1st time of trouble he goes to the BP. Our BP. I don't expect our pitchers to be like JV and go 115-120 pitches game after game.. but now and then, Like Boyd who has been the best so far, let him go a bit more sometimes..

What happens is they get takin' out and we end of using 4-5 RP. Which leads to another problem, if one our guys gets them out 1-2-3 in 11 pitches, bring them back out instead of another guy..

Like when we had they blowout last week vs the Angels. Boyd went 5 innings, and we had 5 RP pitch. Don't we have a LR guy that can pitch 3 innings or something.

Even the last game, Jimenez 1-2-3 on 13 pitches, why couldn't he go another inning of a tie game.

I guess that's it.

I watched the Tigers postgame last night. Gardy said that Jiminez was only going one inning no matter what because he pitched the day before.

The start that Boyd had vs. the Angles he had 102 pitches. I think Hardy is the only long guy and he started the prior day. The bullpen is bad. Most of them can be moved to and from Toledo as far as I'm concerned. Who cares if they are overused (except for Jiminez).

 

[Mitchrapp]

I watched the Tigers postgame last night. Gardy said that Jiminez was only going one inning no matter what because he pitched the day before.

The start that Boyd had vs. the Angles he had 102 pitches. I think Hardy is the only long guy and he started the prior day. The bullpen is bad. Most of them can be moved to and from Toledo as far as I'm concerned. Who cares if they are overused (except for Jiminez).

If they're overused they pitch worse.. Is the BP bad because they stink or because they're overused? Probably both. 102 pitches is not a whole lot. Try him at 110, 115. Starters are suppose to shorten the BP.

Jimenez should have started the 9th. Pitching the day before is one thing, but he just got done with an easy non exhausted inning. Any RP should be able to go 2-3 at a time, not just Hardy. Greene is a formal starter..So is Get the Buck Buck outta here..

 

[tomdalton22]

If they're overused they pitch worse.. Is the BP bad because they stink or because they're overused? Probably both. 102 pitches is not a whole lot. Try him at 110, 115. Starters are suppose to shorten the BP.

Jimenez should have started the 9th. Pitching the day before is one thing, but he just got done with an easy non exhausted inning. Any RP should be able to go 2-3 at a time, not just Hardy. Greene is a formal starter..So is Get the Buck Buck outta here..

There are only 3 pitchers on the staff that we need to worry about. Fulmer, Boyd and Jiminez. I don't want any of them overworked in any way.

You are talking out of both sides of your mouth a little bit. On one hand you say the pen is over worked and one minute later you say relief pitchers should be able to go 2-3 innings at a time.

This team isn't good. They are not going to contend for the AL central or a wildcard. Protect the three pitchers I noted, abuse the pen if needed and try to win a few games along the way.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm saying we shouldn't need 4-5 RP every game. And yes they should be able to pitch more, just not the whole BP each game. You don't need 4-5 guys to pitch 4 innings.

As the 3 you mentioned, protect them from what? Boyd is 27. What are you protecting him from?

I disagree on "this team isn't good" but that's another time.

 

[tomdalton22]

I'm saying we shouldn't need 4-5 RP every game. And yes they should be able to pitch more, just not the whole BP each game. You don't need 4-5 guys to pitch 4 innings.

As the 3 you mentioned, protect them from what? Boyd is 27. What are you protecting him from?

I disagree on "this team isn't good" but that's another time.

Boyd is either part of your long-term plan or a trade chip this season. If the manager thinks he is struggling or at or near his pitch count you pull him.

Like I said, those 3 are the only pitching assets they have at the ML level.

You think this team is good? You are out of your mind. They are 5 games under .500. Thre are only 11 teams in baseball with a worse record. They have a -26 run differential...again only 11 worse. They are 10th in the AL in team OPS, 11th in OBP, 15th in HR. Their team ERA is 6th, 10th in BAA and 8th in QS.

This is NOT a good team.

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.mlive.com/tigers/index.ssf/2018/06/michael_fulmer_tigers_12.html#incart_river_index
Tigers' Michael Fulmer is back (if he ever left) after vintage performance Friday.
Mlive

A psychological barrier? A lingering remnant of his elbow surgery last year? A mere fluke caused by a small sample size?

Whatever the case, when Michael Fulmer took the mound to start the sixth inning on Friday night, here's what the numbers said:

From innings one through five, Fulmer was essentially the same pitcher he was in 2016 and 2017: A 3.41 ERA, 55 strikeouts and 19 walks.

In innings six and seven, he was falling apart: A 10.63 ERA through 11 innings, with eight walks and four strikeouts.

So when Fulmer retired the top of the Cleveland Indians' order in the sixth inning and then returned to strike out the side in the seventh (all the while pumping upper-90s fastballs) it felt like he had crossed a major threshold.

Maybe the old Michael Fulmer is back, or maybe he never left.

"It really was a lot better tonight," Fulmer said afterwards. "All the hard work is paying off."

Gardenhire said medical issues are "not in my area code" and Fulmer doesn't like to make excuses, but there was some concern that perhaps lingering elbow issues from late 2017 surgery might be making it more difficult for him to push deep into games.

If there was a rebuttal to that concern, Fulmer provided it on the radar gun. He threw almost every fastball at 95 mph or above and even reached a season-high 99.2 mph on one pitch.