Game 95 Tigers vs. rays July 11, 2018

[kalinecountry]

Tigers lineup:
3B J. Candelario (S)
RF N. Castellanos (R)
2B Niko Goodrum (S)
1B John Hicks (R)
DH Victor Martinez (S)
LF Mikie Mahtook (R)
C James McCann (R)
SS Ronny Rodriguez (R)
CF JaCoby Jones (R)
Jordan Zimmermann (R) (4-0, 3.51)

rays lineup:
CF Kevin Kiermaier (L)
3B Matt Duffy (R)
LF Jake Bauers (L)
1B C.J. Cron (R)
DH Ji-Man Choi (L)
SS Willy Adames (R)
2B Joey Wendle (L)
C Jesus Sucre (R)
RF Mallex Smith (L)
Hunter Wood (R) (0-0, 2.00)

Can we please get a f'n win off these crumbs??!!

https://www.blessyouboys.com/2018/7...ream-tv-schedule-odds-picks-matchups-and-more
Tigers vs. Rays Preview: Jordan Zimmermann looks to keep rolling into All-Star break.
The Tigers finish off a long stretch of games with a Wednesday matinee against the Rays.
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Tampa Bay Rays vs. Detroit Tigers, at Tropicana Field, July 11, 2018 Matchups, Preview.
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All-time DETROIT leads 76-72.

 

[kalinecountry]

f'n kiermeir batting a buck fifty for the year, Tigers come into tampa and he turns into a lefty batting Willie Mays, triples, homeruns, fahhk.
1- 0 and rays still batting 3rd inning.

 

[jas5lf]

Will the Tigers win again this month?

 

[Mitchrapp]

Zimmerman MVP! MVP!


By the way what time did the game start..

 

[Mitchrapp]

That popup could have turned out bad.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ouch.

 

[Mitchrapp]

4 hard hits, but nothing. Dang.

 

[tomdalton22]

the manager should have kept to his 100 pitch count

 

[Mitchrapp]

the manager should have kept to his 100 pitch count

Or he wasn't used to pitching that much and ran out of stuff.

 

[tomdalton22]

Or he wasn't used to pitching that much and ran out of stuff.

His last 2 games he had 96 and 97 pitches respectively and he gave up exactly one run in each of those games. If he would have stopped at 96 or 97 today he would have given up one run as well. Gotta get back to that pitch count!

 

[Rebbiv]

DET Last 162 games


60-102 .370 WPCT

 

[tomdalton22]

DET Last 162 games


60-102 .370 WPCT

there are 3 teams with a worse winning percentage this year....and two are in the Tigers own division. There is a lot of shitty baseball out there this year.

 

[Mitchrapp]

His last 2 games he had 96 and 97 pitches respectively and he gave up exactly one run in each of those games. If he would have stopped at 96 or 97 today he would have given up one run as well. Gotta get back to that pitch count!

You're missing my point. If his pitch count was higher maybe he would be more fresh at 100+ pitches.. Can't pitch 110 pitches if you never approach it. It's like asking a closer to pitch 6 innings.

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/tigers-...790#game_state=final,game_tab=box,game=530790
Boxscore.

 

[tomdalton22]

You're missing my point. If his pitch count was higher maybe he would be more fresh at 100+ pitches.. Can't pitch 110 pitches if you never approach it. It's like asking a closer to pitch 6 innings.

I'm not missing your point...I just don't think it's a very good one. What's the point of having your pitchers pitch an extra 10 pitches if it's going to cost you runs?

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'm not missing your point...I just don't think it's a very good one. What's the point of having your pitchers pitch an extra 10 pitches if it's going to cost you runs?

You get use to pitching those extra 10 pitches and maybe those runs don't happen. That's how pitching works. You just don't start a pitcher on opening day that had no spring training and let him throw 100 pitches. Can't go 80 pitches for 20 starts and expect him to be able to go 95. Why'd those closer from the 70's go so many pitches.. They worked up to it.

 

[tigermud]

forgot they were playing early today, used to be a time when I would always know exactly when they were playing each and every day. Now I just don't care..

LOL. Yikes, Tigers sure are losing a lot lately. JV on Sunday? anyone else hoping he throws a no-hitter against his former team? I wouldn't mind it.

 

[jas5lf]

forgot they were playing early today, used to be a time when I would always know exactly when they were playing each and every day. Now I just don't care..

LOL. Yikes, Tigers sure are losing a lot lately. JV on Sunday? anyone else hoping he throws a no-hitter against his former team? I wouldn't mind it.

Haha! That would be so fitting at this point.

 

[Rebbiv]

QUOTE=Mitchrapp;839057]You get use to pitching those extra 10 pitches and maybe those runs don't happen. That's how pitching works. You just don't start a pitcher on opening day that had no spring training and let him throw 100 pitches. Can't go 80 pitches for 20 starts and expect him to be able to go 95. Why'd those closer from the 70's go so many pitches.. They worked up to it.[/QUOTE]

For his career, Greg Maddux averaged 92 Pitches Per Game Started and yet he average almost 7 IP per Game Started (6.8 to be exact).

Additionally, it isn't about the number of pitches as much as the amount of stressful pitches/innings. They add up, even if a pitcher isn't approaching that "magical/mythical" 100 pitch count.

Bobby Cox basically never had his pitchers go over 120 pitches, let alone 110 very often. Glavine, Maddux, Millwood, Avery, etc, etc. Without extending them, they were fresher the next start and less likely to have arm injuries or tired arms. Assmus did not get that and he abused he starters. While I have other issues with Gardenhire, I have no issues with how he has managed the starters.

Career

Maddux 6.8 IP 92 P/GS = 13.5 Pitches per inning

Smoltz 6.7 IP 101 P/GS = 15.1 Pitches per inning
Glavine 6.5 IP 101 P/GS = 15.5 Pitches per inning

Avery 5.8 IP 90 P/GS = 15.5 Pitches per inning
Millwood 6.1 IP 97 P/GS = 15.9 Pitches per inning


Porcello 6.1 IP 96 P/GS = 15.7 Pitches per inning
Price 6.6 IP 104 P/GS = 15.8 Pitches per inning
Scherzer 6.4 IP 104 P/GS = 16.3 Pitches per inning
A. Sanchez 5.9 IP 97 P/GS = 16.4 Pitches per inning
Verlander 6.6 IP 109 P/GS = 16.5 Pitches per inning


Zimmermann 6.0 IP 93 P/GS = 15.5 Pitches per inning
B. Hardy 5.5 IP 85 P/GS = 15.5 Pitches per inning

F. Liriano 5.7 IP 93 P/GS = 16.3 Pitching per inning
M. Fiers 5.7 IP 94 P/GS = 16.5 Pitches per inning
M. Boyd 5.2 IP 90 P/GS = 17.3 Pitches per inning

D. Norris 5.0 IP 87 P/GS = 17.4 Pitches per inning

https://www.forbes.com/sites/robert...-is-a-vanishing-act-in-baseball/#2bc0a4bb7e58

 

[Mitchrapp]

Nice comparison, using Maddux ;-) I appreciate your post but he was one of the best efficient pitchers .. The whole team was. He could get to 8+ innings on 100 pitches.