Game 95 Tigers vs. rays July 11, 2018

[Rebbiv]

Nice comparison, using Maddux ;-) I appreciate your post but he was one of the best efficient pitchers .. The whole team was. He could get to 8+ innings on 100 pitches.

The point is if the DET pitcher is at or near 100 pitches and they average 15+ pitches per inning, then you do not start them in that inning. Statistically speaking (metrics), it rarely works out for a reliever to come into a game in the middle of an inning, versus at the top. We do not have pitchers who average more than 6 innings per start. Heck, they are lucky sometimes to get to 5 innings and that is with their "high stress" innings. 100-pitch count is a nice water cooler topic, but that is it.

Smoltz 6.7 IP 101 P/GS = 15.1 Pitches per inning
P. Martinez 6.7 IP 103 Pitches = 15.4 Pitches per inning
Glavine 6.5 IP 101 P/GS = 15.5 Pitches per inning

The key from these guys aren't the fact they average over 100 pitches, as much as they went about 6.6 IP on average. And to average 100 pitches, some nights they went 93, some they went 107. It all depends on where they were when they started on inning or where they ended an inning.

I would never have one of DET's pitchers start an inning if they were 93 pitches or over. Bad recipe based on historical data.

 

[Mitchrapp]

The point is if the DET pitcher is at or near 100 pitches and they average 15+ pitches per inning, then you do not start them in that inning. Statistically speaking (metrics), it rarely works out for a reliever to come into a game in the middle of an inning, versus at the top. We do not have pitchers who average more than 6 innings per start. Heck, they are lucky sometimes to get to 5 innings and that is with their "high stress" innings. 100-pitch count is a nice water cooler topic, but that is it.

Smoltz 6.7 IP 101 P/GS = 15.1 Pitches per inning
P. Martinez 6.7 IP 103 Pitches = 15.4 Pitches per inning
Glavine 6.5 IP 101 P/GS = 15.5 Pitches per inning

The key from these guys aren't the fact they average over 100 pitches, as much as they went about 6.6 IP on average. And to average 100 pitches, some nights they went 93, some they went 107. It all depends on where they were when they started on inning or where they ended an inning.

I would never have one of DET's pitchers start an inning if they were 93 pitches or over. Bad recipe based on historical data.

The problem with that last sentence is the BP. Based on historical data it's not ending well.. ;-)

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.mlb.com/tigers/news/shane-greene-activated-from-disabled-list/c-285350652
Greene activated; Alcantra optioned to Triple-A.
Tigers official site

 

[Rebbiv]

there are 3 teams with a worse winning percentage this year....and two are in the Tigers own division. There is a lot of shitty baseball out there this year.

Since July 21st, 2017

CHW 60-101 .373 WPCT

DET 60-102 .370 WPCT

KCR 58-101 .365 WPCT

BAL 55-104 .346 WPCT

 

[motownwebguy]

Since July 21st, 2017

CHW 60-101 .373 WPCT

DET 60-102 .370 WPCT

KCR 58-101 .365 WPCT

BAL 55-104 .346 WPCT

Of the 4 teams mentioned above, the first to see +.500 baseball for an entire season, will be the White Sox.

 

[Rebbiv]

Of the 4 teams mentioned above, the first to see +.500 baseball for an entire season, will be the White Sox.

Minor League Rankings as of March 2018:


https://www.minorleagueball.com/2018/3/21/17149090/2018-mlb-farm-system-rankings


7. CHW


16. DET


23. BAL


30. KCR

 

[tomdalton22]

Minor League Rankings as of March 2018:


https://www.minorleagueball.com/2018/3/21/17149090/2018-mlb-farm-system-rankings


7. CHW


16. DET


23. BAL


30. KCR

fify

The Tigers have done a decent job moving up the rankings.

2015 30th
2016 28th
2017 26th
2018 16th

Unfortunately, they have pretty much sold off all of their assets that could get any substantial return. Now they have to rely on drafting

This is why I would like to see them trade Fulmer (for the right haul). He is the only player on the roster that could really get you a nice return.

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.blessyouboys.com/2018/7...-descalso-detroit-tigers-arizona-diamondbacks
Scouting Arizona Diamondbacks RHP Alex Avila.
Ok the stuff wasn?t so impressive, but the results speak for themselves.
BYBTB

Avila pitched 2 innings for the d-backs last night.

 

[tigermud]

Ha two scoreless 1 hit not bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6_NF6MfZxo#action=share

 

[kalinecountry]

from the Detnews;

On June 19, the Tigers were one game under .500 ? 36-37. Since then, they have gone 4-18 ? 4-16 in a just-completed stretch of playing 20 games in 20 days in six cities (counting two four-game home series which seemed, in effect, part of the same trip).

Typical with young teams, winning on the road has been problematic. The Tigers have lost 12 of their last 14 road games. Only the Orioles (12) and White Sox (14) have fewer road wins than the Tigers (15) in the American League.

The Tigers are the second-worst road hitting team (ahead of only the Orioles) ? hitting .237 and scoring 164 runs in 47 road games. They have hit the fewest number of home runs on the road (36).

Typical with young teams playing without its most experienced and productive hitter (Miguel Cabrera), the Tigers are also struggling to score runs. They have scored three runs or less in 15 of the last 22 games.

Since sweeping the White Sox and closing to within a game of .500 on June 19, the Tigers have been outscored 113-74. In that 22-game span, they are hitting .232 with a .291 on-base average and a .344 slugging percentage ? all near the bottom of the American League charts.

They have also struck out 188 times in those 22 games.

It?s not all been negative, though. In that same 22-game stretch, Nick Castellanos has hit .299, with a .623 slugging percentage and a 1.010 OPS. He?s hit six home runs and knocked in 15.

Niko Goodrum, who has taken over the everyday second base job, his hitting a robust .413 in July, with a .426 on-base and .652 slugging, with a 1.078 OPS.

Shortstop Jose Iglesias is hitting .294 in this last stretch and playing some of the best defense of his career ? which is saying a lot.

They have also gotten some strong starting pitching from Michael Fulmer, Jordan Zimmermann and Mike Fiers in this stretch, and out of the bullpen, Alex Wilson, Buck Farmer, Blaine Hardy and Joe Jimenez have combined to allow just three runs in 13⅓ innings in July.

And, this weekend, closer Shane Greene returns after 10 days on the disabled list.

This is where the Tigers as they head into Houston to face an Astros team that is second in the American League in hitting and has allowed the fewest runs in baseball, a team that is 30-20 at home.

The Tigers will face Dallas Keuchel on Friday and Justin Verlander on Sunday. It will be the first time Verlander has faced the Tigers since he was traded last Aug. 31. The Astros have not named a starter for Saturday.

 

[twentythree]

I was watching Rockies vs Diamondbacks when they put in Alex Avila. I was surprised. I guess they didn't want to burden their relief pitching staff when the game was so hopeless. I think Alex pitched mostly strikes at 50-60mph (?) and the Rockies players generally hit them into the outfield, and they got out, rather than getting home runs. Maybe some faster pitches would have resulted in home runs, as the ball might bounce off the bat faster. So congrats to Alex, for what it's worth.

 

[tigermud]

I was watching Rockies vs Diamondbacks when they put in Alex Avila. I was surprised. I guess they didn't want to burden their relief pitching staff when the game was so hopeless. I think Alex pitched mostly strikes at 50-60mph (?) and the Rockies players generally hit them into the outfield, and they got out, rather than getting home runs. Maybe some faster pitches would have resulted in home runs, as the ball might bounce off the bat faster. So congrats to Alex, for what it's worth.

I think he was around 76 on most pitches but yeah why not every team should have a pen guy that throws beer league softball speed just to mess up the timing and not supply the power I think it could work heck I might still be able to get it up to 55

 

[Rebbiv]

He was throwing a sinker and much more difficult to hot on the sweet spot. Velocity for a sinker is immaterial, sort of like a knuckleball. It is all about movement, and sometimes less velocity creates more of a "hop".