George W. hates Ted Cruz

[Spartanmack]

Gosh there are lots of people that suffer violence for no reason (let alone being punched in the face nose broken and fed up by a punk fing thug) and Zimmerans is quite questionable *rolls eyes*. Lets bring up the amount of killings done for $5 on the south side (500 a year? with less flack than the white hispanic on 1 case). Lets go lobby for peace in Englewood, Gulo. I know youd be game to make a difference. When are you free in March? Dont worry youll be fine there. Leaving the white suburban comforts is only a few days to make a difference. Why are the things that SHOULD Be TALKED ABOUT ABORTED as NOT HAPPENING":?>?>?>???

This is bringing on more yawns than I expected. Ohhh, if you dont like Ted Cruz youre racist, hes of hispanic descent (thought id get that out of the way). So sick and burned out of stupid polarized retards (there are millions of them) the last 8 years feeling copious amounts of guilt but never set a foot outside their white suburban comforts to make a difference, IE LIB-TARDS!

I don't disagree with a lot of this misplaced outrage argument but I don't think it applies to GULO. He is one of the good guys in this debate. I don't agree with him, but he's not a race-baiter and hasn't tried to make this about race or use it as just another example proving America is a fundamentally racist society. I don't know where he stands on those issues but that's not the argument he's making here.

 

[Michchamp]

the issue here - what the racists have trouble understanding - is that it took a national outcry to get Zimmerman charged, and tried for murder, as he should have been. It took a national outcry to get dumbshit Florida officials to do their jobs. this was all PROBABLY because they were racists who really didnt give a shit some poor black kid was shot and killed. but that's just my 0.02.

the Pics Trayvon Martin posted on social media reveal more about the jackasses who are obsessed with them than they do about him. Martin posted stupid shit on social media & got in trouble in school. A LOT of kids do. We're just lucky twitter, facebook, etc wasn't around when we were kids. If what Trayvon did is enough to justify a veritable death sentence in the eye of some people, well holy fucking shit you people are sick and twisted & I hope you never come close to my own kids.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Yes, he did. On more than one occasion. the tweet about assaulting the bus driver came from an account linked to him. He also had a text exchange about brawling with a rival who "snitched on him". from the Miami Herald:



He was only 17, does he need to have exhibited that behavior his entire life? The recent pattern (3 suspensions, guns, drugs, fights, assault, etc) indicate he was a troubled kid at a time when he doesn't have the maturity to handle a lot of these situations. If he was assaulted by Zimmerman, why does he have no defensive wounds? you would think if Zimmerman wasn't surprised by an assault Trayvon would have some injuries. And look at what he did to Zimmerman - does a kid who has never been in a fight or exhibited violent tendencies (even though there is strong evidence he has) break a guys nose and bash his head into the concrete and threaten to kill a guy? You know what good, non-violent kids do in those situations? They go home and tell their dad someone suspicious looking was following them. They don't hide and ambush a guy or wait around and confront him.

Based on the physical evidence and the hearsay evidence of the character of the 2 men and the fact that Zimmerman passed 2 lie detector tests, it's most likely that even if Zimmerman was looking for Martin, he was ambushed and assaulted by Martin. Zimmerman could have done things differently but his actions don't add up to murder or manslaughter.

This is the worst stuff I've seen on Martin, and I hadn't seen it before. It's reading into things a bit to say he was suspended for fighting because someone said he'd get suspended again when they were most likely talking about fighting, because he was suspended for having a marijuana pipe and that article says he got in trouble for fighting, but denied doing it via text to his friend. It's not confirmed violence, but it doesn't look good and I would like to know if there were more texts that led the writer to say he'd fought that rival.

Trayvon: ?I lost da 1st round but won da 2nd nd 3rd.?

Friend: ?Ohhh So It Wass 3 Rounds? Damn well at least yu wonn lol but yuu needa stop fighting.?

Trayvon: ?Nay im not done with fool.. he gone hav 2 see me again.?

Friend: ?Nooo Stop, yuu waint gonn bee satisified till yuh suspended again, huh??

That's probably about fighting. But what kind of fight goes 3 rounds?

I am a little persuaded by this article.

 

[Gulo Blue]

I don't disagree with a lot of this misplaced outrage argument but I don't think it applies to GULO. He is one of the good guys in this debate. I don't agree with him, but he's not a race-baiter and hasn't tried to make this about race or use it as just another example proving America is a fundamentally racist society. I don't know where he stands on those issues but that's not the argument he's making here.

I didn't even know how to respond to that post.

And for the record, I don't think we're a flat out racist society, but I do think widespread unintended bias probably has a bigger impact driving inequality than racism anyway. People are unaware that they do it. Minorities do it to minorities and women do it women.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/23/health/research/23perc.html

 

[Gulo Blue]

the issue here - what the racists have trouble understanding - is that it took a national outcry to get Zimmerman charged, and tried for murder, as he should have been. It took a national outcry to get dumbshit Florida officials to do their jobs. this was all PROBABLY because they were racists who really didnt give a shit some poor black kid was shot and killed. but that's just my 0.02.

I think, in most states, he should have been tried, but is it true in Florida with their stand your ground law? I thought that law played into why there really wasn't much of a legal case.

"We're you scared for your life?"
"Yup."
"We're done here."

(I know they took him in and questioned him extensively and did a reenactment the next day. I'm just saying I thought that law boils it all down to whether or not someone is scared.)

 

[Spartanmack]

the issue here - what the racists have trouble understanding - is that it took a national outcry to get Zimmerman charged, and tried for murder, as he should have been. It took a national outcry to get dumbshit Florida officials to do their jobs. this was all PROBABLY because they were racists who really didnt give a shit some poor black kid was shot and killed. but that's just my 0.02.

the Pics Trayvon Martin posted on social media reveal more about the jackasses who are obsessed with them than they do about him. Martin posted stupid shit on social media & got in trouble in school. A LOT of kids do. We're just lucky twitter, facebook, etc wasn't around when we were kids. If what Trayvon did is enough to justify a veritable death sentence in the eye of some people, well holy fucking shit you people are sick and twisted & I hope you never come close to my own kids.

$0.02 overstates the value of your opinion by $0.02. more, actually when you read the nonsensical drivel in the next paragraph. There's a mountain of difference between saying Zimmerman was justified in defending himself and that Trayvon deserved the death sentence because of what he posted on social media. It's also laughably absurd that you blame twitter and facebook for people's perceptions of Trayvon and boil down his indiscretions to typical "trouble in school" that you think "a lot of kids" do. No, a lot kids don't get caught with stolen property and burglary tools. A lot of high school kids don't have guns and they don't beat up their snitches or assault bus drivers. At least not the ones that aren't thugs.

 

[Michchamp]

I think, in most states, he should have been tried, but is it true in Florida with their stand your ground law? I thought that law played into why there really wasn't much of a legal case.

"We're you scared for your life?"
"Yup."
"We're done here."

(I know they took him in and questioned him extensively and did a reenactment the next day. I'm just saying I thought that law boils it all down to whether or not someone is scared.)

he didn't use FL's "stand your ground" law as a defense. it wasn't at issue here.

and regardless, any reasonably competent, and unbiased law enforcement officer & DA, should have looked at the facts: a dipshit wannabe cop on neighborhood patrol going after a kid, despite being told not to, and killing him, essentially instigating a situation where he had to use deadly force, and concluded this situation warranted charges, and was too opaque to rely on a quick interview before sending him home; this was a judgment that should only have been passed after a formal evidentiary hearing & a trial on any disputed facts.

everything else: Zimmerman's supposedly "heroic" & "good guy" nature, Martin's twitter posts, his hooded swearshirt... all dog whistle politics for the racists to excuse an unjustified killing of a kid by a loser cop-wannabe.

oh sorry... calling racists as I see them isn't "pc." What term is preferred? "law and order Republicans?" "traditional-valued persons?"

 

[Spartanmack]

I think, in most states, he should have been tried, but is it true in Florida with their stand your ground law? I thought that law played into why there really wasn't much of a legal case.

"We're you scared for your life?"
"Yup."
"We're done here."

(I know they took him in and questioned him extensively and did a reenactment the next day. I'm just saying I thought that law boils it all down to whether or not someone is scared.)

The defense did not invoke stand your ground. They argued simple self defense. I don't know if the stand your ground law impacted the initial investigation and/or had anything to do with his release from custody, but it wasn't part of Zimmerman's defense in court.

 

[Spartanmack]

he didn't use FL's "stand your ground" law as a defense. it wasn't at issue here.

and regardless, any reasonably competent, and unbiased law enforcement officer & DA, should have looked at the facts: a dipshit wannabe cop on neighborhood patrol going after a kid, despite being told not to, and killing him, essentially instigating a situation where he had to use deadly force, and concluded this situation warranted charges, and was too opaque to rely on a quick interview before sending him home; this was a judgment that should only have been passed after a formal evidentiary hearing & a trial on any disputed facts.

everything else: Zimmerman's supposedly "heroic" & "good guy" nature, Martin's twitter posts, his hooded swearshirt... all dog whistle politics for the racists to excuse an unjustified killing of a kid by a loser cop-wannabe.

oh sorry... calling racists as I see them isn't "pc." What term is preferred? "law and order Republicans?" "traditional-valued persons?"

it's hilarious that you call people racists for evaluating Martin's character based on Martin's own actions yet you impugn Zimmerman and call him a murderer without any evidence other than the fact that he wanted to be a police officer, which in your twisted and feeble mind means he probably profiled, stalked and murdered a sweet innocent kid (if you ignore all the evidence to the contrary).

 

[Michchamp]

anyways... back on the topic of Ted Cruz.

I think some in Trump's camp, maybe even Trump himself, claimed Cruz can't become president because he was born on Canadian soil. This is not true; similar to John McCain's situation if youre born to an American citizen abroad, youre an American citizen. The phrase "natural born citizen" has never been qualified, but seems like if you're an American citizen at birth, i.e. you didn't need to formally apply for citizenship, that qualifies. which is what most lawyers who've looked at the situation have concluded

I hadnt checked the Clown Car polls in a while, but while typing this the thought occurred to me that if the Trump Camp is trotting out the birther attacks, they must be losing... and... yep, Cruz is ahead by a couple percentage points now.

I think Cruz wins the nomination. He's a legit politician... the others really aren't, even Rubio, who is more an errand-boy creation of a couple rich Floridians, like Scott Walker was in Wisconsin.

 

[Michchamp]

it's hilarious that you call people racists for evaluating Martin's character based on Martin's own actions yet you impugn Zimmerman and call him a murderer without any evidence other than the fact that he wanted to be a police officer, which in your twisted and feeble mind means he probably profiled, stalked and murdered a sweet innocent kid (if you ignore all the evidence to the contrary).

where did i call him a murderer? and if i did somewhere else, can your feeble mind comprehend that I was not saying "murderer" in the sense of a convicted killer, & that I would know the difference?

I said he killed Martin. that's beyond dispute, no?

calling for a killer to be tried for murder... yeah real extremist stuff from me. I'm all over the place here.

 

[tinselwolverine]

We're just lucky twitter, facebook, etc wasn't around when we were kids.

I would have posted a lot of pictures of my own dick.

Or maybe Rachel bloom would have, I don't know.

Check that, she wouldn't have even been born by then.

 

[Gulo Blue]

he didn't use FL's "stand your ground" law as a defense. it wasn't at issue here.

Once charged, he didn't use stand your ground, but I thought, and I could be wrong, that it was because of the stand your ground law that there didn't appear to be a case from the start.

 

[Gulo Blue]

The phrase "natural born citizen" has never been qualified

Would it include IVF people? I guess conception isn't birth. What about c-sections? If you were delivered by c-section, are you ineligible for the presidency?

 

[Gulo Blue]

I hadnt checked the Clown Car polls in a while, but while typing this the thought occurred to me that if the Trump Camp is trotting out the birther attacks, they must be losing... and... yep, Cruz is ahead by a couple percentage points now.

How old is McCain? Can we dust him off and send him out with that Ohio Governor as his running mate?

 

[Michchamp]

Once charged, he didn't use stand your ground, but I thought, and I could be wrong, that it was because of the stand your ground law that there didn't appear to be a case from the start.

If I remember correctly, he actually had a better chance under traditional self defense laws, than stand your ground. syg requires only that you "felt threatened" & the threat was what a reasonable person would feel in the circumstances. Difficult to see how an armed man apparently on the prowl looking for crime was threatened by an unarmed boy, but this is Florida we're talking about.

some states, not sure if FL is one (but probably) have gone even further and created legal presumptions of innocence basically, if someone invokes SYG (& is white...). these bills are usually written by gun lobbyists and pass heavily gerrymandered state legislatures as is, if i recall correctly.

and

by the way all these laws are fucking insane. 17th century England had more restrictions on the use of deadly force in self-defense than FL. that's how regressive they are. basically you're going back to Medieval times here with SYG.

not that this isn't extraordinarily interesting, but... what do you think about Ted Cruz taking the lead? He's in the clown car driver seat now. I expect the GOP leadership breathes a sigh of relief and gets behind him now, regretting not doing that from the start, and cursing JEB silently under their breath

 

[Michchamp]

edit: i didnt see yr response before posting

 

[Gulo Blue]

what do you think about Ted Cruz taking the lead? He's in the clown car driver seat now. I expect the GOP leadership breathes a sigh of relief and gets behind him now, regretting not doing that from the start, and cursing JEB silently under their breath

I really know very little about him. As discussed with zytx, I am influenced to an unfortunate degree by his face. I think the thing that got me think "he's just another one of the problem Republicans" was something I read about his take on climate change. It's kind of like Les Miles at LSU. I understand you have to be a bit cutthroat in the business, especially in the SEC, but you should drag your feet and begrudgingly do it only as much as you have to, not push the envelope.

 

[Spartanmack]

where did i call him a murderer? and if i did somewhere else, can your feeble mind comprehend that I was not saying "murderer" in the sense of a convicted killer, & that I would know the difference?

I said he killed Martin. that's beyond dispute, no?

calling for a killer to be tried for murder... yeah real extremist stuff from me. I'm all over the place here.

LOL, yes, it is extreme for you to keep obsessing over this and bringing it up all the time. And it is extreme for you to call people who disagree with you racists. But as usual, your arguments fail on merit so you all you have left is the hand waving, smoke and mirrors BS and the false moral high ground you grant yourself with your absurd accusations of racism. Basically, you're a sore loser and a whiny little bitch.

Maybe you didn't call him a murderer but I'm not sure - I'd be willing to bet you have. You did say this was a targeted killing and that he should be tried for murder, which he was. Is it such an extreme opinion to conclude you think Zimmerman murdered Martin?

 

[Michchamp]

LOL, yes, it is extreme for you to keep obsessing over this and bringing it up all the time. And it is extreme for you to call people who disagree with you racists. But as usual, your arguments fail on merit so you all you have left is the hand waving, smoke and mirrors BS and the false moral high ground you grant yourself with your absurd accusations of racism. Basically, you're a sore loser and a whiny little bitch.

Maybe you didn't call him a murderer but I'm not sure - I'd be willing to bet you have. You did say this was a targeted killing and that he should be tried for murder, which he was. Is it such an extreme opinion to conclude you think Zimmerman murdered Martin?

whoa, I didn't bring it up, I just mentioned it to explain why I call you spartanracist. then i added that tidbit about zimmerman because of subsequent events (like this.... ugh). you're the one who started re-hashing the whole case, motormouth.

take a chill pill. maybe give the z-man a shout out on twitter, tell him how much you admire him, and see if he invites you down to his trailer park to chill.