Gio Gonzalez

[thehippo73]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/cafardo-on-.html

What would it take from our side to trade for this guy?

 

[buddyboy2121]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/cafardo-on-.html

What would it take from our side to trade for this guy?

Turner, Young, and Crosby. At least, but Turner is basically untouchable so i think they would make a package of solid players instead of a Top heavy prospect package

 

[stonecold2136]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/cafardo-on-.html

What would it take from our side to trade for this guy?

Turner, Young, and Crosby. At least, but Turner is basically untouchable so i think they would make a package of solid players instead of a Top heavy prospect package

No gm in his right mind would give that much up for GIO

 

[buddyboy2121]

http://motorcitybengals.com/2011/11/06/tigers-and-gio-gonzalez-sounds-good-to-me/

 

[kalinecountry]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/cafardo-on-.html

What would it take from our side to trade for this guy?

Turner, Young, and Crosby. At least, but Turner is basically untouchable so i think they would make a package of solid players instead of a Top heavy prospect package

young, you mean Delmon? a low obp guy, complete opposite of beane's moneyball.

 

[tycobb420]

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/11/cafardo-on-.html

What would it take from our side to trade for this guy?

Turner, Young, and Crosby. At least, but Turner is basically untouchable so i think they would make a package of solid players instead of a Top heavy prospect package

Maybe for Catfish Hunter! lol

 

[buddyboy2121]

KalineCountry[/color]]
[quote="Maize&blue21":n9ogz8uh] Turner, Young, and Crosby. At least, but Turner is basically untouchable so i think they would make a package of solid players instead of a Top heavy prospect package

young, you mean Delmon? a low obp guy, complete opposite of beane's moneyball.
[/quote:n9ogz8uh] true but they are looking for a outfielder with good power. Those high OBP guys he are looking for are the best in baseball and he could no way get any of them unless he traded Cahill and Gonzalez. He should have never made moneyball the Athletics would have been good for awhile

 

[buddyboy2121]

Turner, Young, and Crosby. At least, but Turner is basically untouchable so i think they would make a package of solid players instead of a Top heavy prospect package

Maybe for Catfish Hunter! lol

26 year old pitcher, lefty, 3.12 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, great movement on both fastballs, great Curveball, and logged over 200 innings last year. He isn't going to be cheap.

 

[Rebbiv]

Maybe for Catfish Hunter! lol

26 year old pitcher, lefty, 3.12 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, great movement on both fastballs, great Curveball, and logged over 200 innings last year. He isn't going to be cheap.

And walks a ton of hitters and consider his away WHIP over the last 3 years is 1.46, which is below average.


He is a #3 at best. His home park bias aside.

 

[buddyboy2121]

26 year old pitcher, lefty, 3.12 ERA, 1.32 WHIP, great movement on both fastballs, great Curveball, and logged over 200 innings last year. He isn't going to be cheap.

And walks a ton of hitters and consider his away WHIP over the last 3 years is 1.46, which is below average.


He is a #3 at best. His home park bias aside.

Aside from WHIP were you saying the same thing about Doug Fister? Cause he didn't strike out enough batters? gave up too many Flyballs? Seattle's Defense saved him? Gio is a really good pitcher that would be successful anywheres

 

[Rebbiv]

And walks a ton of hitters and consider his away WHIP over the last 3 years is 1.46, which is below average.


He is a #3 at best. His home park bias aside.

Aside from WHIP were you saying the same thing about Doug Fister? Cause he didn't strike out enough batters? gave up too many Flyballs? Seattle's Defense saved him? Gio is a really good pitcher that would be successful anywheres

Last 3 years

AL AVG 1.36 WHIP .747 OPS 13.25 PA/BB 5.89 PA/SO 2.18 SO/BB

Last 3 years Away

Fister 1.26 WHIP .720 OPS 19.95 PA/BB 6.38 PA/SO 3.05 SO/BB

Scherzer 1.39 WHIP .761 OPS 11.66 PA/BB 4.35 PA/SO 2.65 SO/BB

Gonzalez 1.46 WHIP .710 OPS 9.60 PA/BB 4.51 PA/SO 2.07 SO/BB


My argument has always been that Fister is a #3, with possible #2 seasons from time to time. He is a control pitcher and I never said anything about his strikeouts or flyballs.

Gonzalez is certainly a #3 also, but his lack of control does not suggest he can maintain for a long career. Regardless, the point is neither is worth trading a top 100 prospect for plus 2 others. We did OK in what we gave up to get Fister. If the package for Gonzalez was less, than I would be OK with it. I certainly would not include Turner.

Additionally, regardless the package, obtaining another starter should not be the priority, unless you sign a B type FA. We need to resolve 2B, 3B and corner OF. None of these appear to be via FA. So any pieces to obtain a 2B or 3B, you want to trade for Gonzalez, which is counter-productive.

 

[buddyboy2121]

Aside from WHIP were you saying the same thing about Doug Fister? Cause he didn't strike out enough batters? gave up too many Flyballs? Seattle's Defense saved him? Gio is a really good pitcher that would be successful anywheres

Last 3 years

AL AVG 1.36 WHIP .747 OPS 13.25 PA/BB 5.89 PA/SO 2.18 SO/BB

Last 3 years Away

Fister 1.26 WHIP .720 OPS 19.95 PA/BB 6.38 PA/SO 3.05 SO/BB

Scherzer 1.39 WHIP .761 OPS 11.66 PA/BB 4.35 PA/SO 2.65 SO/BB

Gonzalez 1.46 WHIP .710 OPS 9.60 PA/BB 4.51 PA/SO 2.07 SO/BB


My argument has always been that Fister is a #3, with possible #2 seasons from time to time. He is a control pitcher and I never said anything about his strikeouts or flyballs.

Gonzalez is certainly a #3 also, but his lack of control does not suggest he can maintain for a long career. Regardless, the point is neither is worth trading a top 100 prospect for plus 2 others. We did OK in what we gave up to get Fister. If the package for Gonzalez was less, than I would be OK with it. I certainly would not include Turner.

Additionally, regardless the package, obtaining another starter should not be the priority, unless you sign a B type FA. We need to resolve 2B, 3B and corner OF. None of these appear to be via FA. So any pieces to obtain a 2B or 3B, you want to trade for Gonzalez, which is counter-productive.

Why do we need to solve the corner outfield spot? We have Boesch and Young. I know Young isn't liked by anybody but he is a good hitter and the only reason his numbers were down last year was he was injured for the first half of the season.

 

[Rebbiv]

Last 3 years

AL AVG 1.36 WHIP .747 OPS 13.25 PA/BB 5.89 PA/SO 2.18 SO/BB

Last 3 years Away

Fister 1.26 WHIP .720 OPS 19.95 PA/BB 6.38 PA/SO 3.05 SO/BB

Scherzer 1.39 WHIP .761 OPS 11.66 PA/BB 4.35 PA/SO 2.65 SO/BB

Gonzalez 1.46 WHIP .710 OPS 9.60 PA/BB 4.51 PA/SO 2.07 SO/BB


My argument has always been that Fister is a #3, with possible #2 seasons from time to time. He is a control pitcher and I never said anything about his strikeouts or flyballs.

Gonzalez is certainly a #3 also, but his lack of control does not suggest he can maintain for a long career. Regardless, the point is neither is worth trading a top 100 prospect for plus 2 others. We did OK in what we gave up to get Fister. If the package for Gonzalez was less, than I would be OK with it. I certainly would not include Turner.

Additionally, regardless the package, obtaining another starter should not be the priority, unless you sign a B type FA. We need to resolve 2B, 3B and corner OF. None of these appear to be via FA. So any pieces to obtain a 2B or 3B, you want to trade for Gonzalez, which is counter-productive.

Why do we need to solve the corner outfield spot? We have Boesch and Young. I know Young isn't liked by anybody but he is a good hitter and the only reason his numbers were down last year was he was injured for the first half of the season.

Both Young and Boesch are not that good. And Young is worse hitter than you think. BAVG is not all about what a hitter is or isn't. Neither is great defensively.

 

[Mitchrapp]

BB had a pretty good year last year. And 1st half his first year. I think you're too critical of guys.

 

[buddyboy2121]

Why do we need to solve the corner outfield spot? We have Boesch and Young. I know Young isn't liked by anybody but he is a good hitter and the only reason his numbers were down last year was he was injured for the first half of the season.

Both Young and Boesch are not that good. And Young is worse hitter than you think. BAVG is not all about what a hitter is or isn't. Neither is great defensively.

I'm aware but it indicates if he makes good contact or not


EDIT: I meant batting average on balls in play. take all of his at bats and compare them to the ones he puts in play, gives you a good idea that he is a contact hitter

 

[Rebbiv]

Mitch[/color]]BB had a pretty good year last year. And 1st half his first year. I think you're too critical of guys.

BB is a first half hitter!

2010 1st .342 BAVG .397 OBP .593 SLG .990 OPS
2010 2nd .163 BAVG .237 OBP .222 SLG .459 OPS

2011 1st .306 BAVG .360 OBP .490 SLG .851 OPS
2011 2nd .219 BAVG .288 OBP .368 SLG .656 OPS


As someone who criticizes Raburn for being a 2nd half hitter, I think you are being too critical on him, but not BB.

Raburn

2010 1st .208 BAVG .287 OBP .350 SLG .637 OPS
2010 2nd .315 BAVG .366 OBP .534 SLG .900 OPS

2011 1st .213 BAVG .248 OBP .360 SLG .608 OPS
2011 2nd .341 BAVG .393 OBP .574 SLG .967 OPS

 

[buddyboy2121]

According to Baseball Reference, Delmon Young puts the ball in play 75% of the time compared to the league average of 69%

 

[buddyboy2121]

Mitch[/color]]BB had a pretty good year last year. And 1st half his first year. I think you're too critical of guys.

BB is a first half hitter!

2010 1st .342 BAVG .397 OBP .593 SLG .990 OPS
2010 2nd .163 BAVG .237 OBP .222 SLG .459 OPS

2011 1st .306 BAVG .360 OBP .490 SLG .851 OPS
2011 2nd .219 BAVG .288 OBP .368 SLG .656 OPS


As someone who criticizes Raburn for being a 2nd half hitter, I think you are being too critical on him, but not BB.

Raburn

2010 1st .208 BAVG .287 OBP .350 SLG .637 OPS
2010 2nd .315 BAVG .366 OBP .534 SLG .900 OPS

2011 1st .213 BAVG .248 OBP .360 SLG .608 OPS
2011 2nd .341 BAVG .393 OBP .574 SLG .967 OPS

BB missed most if not all of the second half with a torn Thumb ligament and if he played at all it was with that ligament injured

 

[tigersofjustice]

Play BB in the first half, and RR in the second. Problem solved.

 

[jimrice]

According to Baseball Reference, Delmon Young puts the ball in play 75% of the time compared to the league average of 69%

That extra 6% all seem to be doubleplays.