Gitmo

[Mitchrapp]

What?

You give them their human rights, water food etc. But as far as other rights, they're freakin terrorists and shouldn't get the same rights as you or me.

 

[Michchamp]

You give them their human rights, water food etc. But as far as other rights, they're freakin terrorists and shouldn't get the same rights as you or me.

well, if they're terrorists, try them based on the evidence and convict them of it. whatever "it" may be.

if not, release them. that's what is required by the Constitution. that's what governs us.

 

[Mitchrapp]

well, if they're terrorists, try them based on the evidence and convict them of it. whatever "it" may be.

if not, release them. that's what is required by the Constitution. that's what governs us.

Constitution is outdated. When it was put together it had no idea what Terrorism would become..So basically fuck em. Kill em all I say.

 

[KAWDUP]

that don't make no sense.

There are quite a number of adults that can't even name our vice president. Are you seriously saying that my post doesn't make sense to you?

 

[Thumb]

It does not matter whether I know or not. If you really think that I don't know BTW - you are way more ignorant than I ever took you to be. Are you somehow thinking that if I really didn't know - I couldn't just type it in Google to come up with an answer? As always your response is just more Thumber garbage.

At the very least, someone able to comment (rightly or wrongly) on the Constitution's Bill of Rights has shown more education than you.

. . . but you keep weeping for our education system over some completely stupid reasons. There are real problems with our system, but this does not represent one of them.

Nothing in this reply is even close to a logical argument.

You called Me out, now put up or shut up.

 

[Thumb]

Yeah Thumb. But these people are terrorists. They have no rights, retain them as long as possible, charged or uncharged.

That's bullshit Mitch. The charge does not change anything whether it's jaywalking or murder or terrorism.

 

[Thumb]

Constitution is outdated. When it was put together it had no idea what Terrorism would become..So basically fuck em. Kill em all I say.

Use that argument the next time someone screams about their second amendment rights guaranteeing them the right to own a high capacity assault rifle.

Or is it only outdated when it suits your argument?

 

[zyxt9]

the Constitution restricts the power of the United States government; it doesn't apply only in regards to U.S. citizens.

The Supreme Court has held that the criminal protections in the Bill of Rights and the Constitution apply to "persons" not citizens.

the argument that the U.S. government can simply pluck someone from a foreign country and cage them in a prison cell indefinitely is not only legally and factually wrong, it's morally bankrupt.

Speaking of morally bankrupt, how about those jihadists who mame and kill those school girls who are just trying to learn how to read and write. I remember the US had something....what was it again....oh tight,the Civil War which freed the slaves who were killed if they tried to read or write as well. Funny that more Americans were killed in the Civil War than any other, yet we look upon that as a Righteous Cause while saying these Muslims shouldn't be helped in having freedoms like education.

These enemy combatants were taken to Gitmo as enemy combatants. Whether their actions were against US soldiers or attempts to hinder freedoms for Muslims I don't care. There isn't a court system that covers them. Even the Geneva Convention is borderline on whether it applies.

And remember, if you close it down so as to release the few who might be relatively more innocent, you are also having to move the extremely bad guys who were very active, and were masterminds behind many bombings and other killings. Do we really want to risk those guys even being in a super-max prison whee messages of all types frequently get around the prisons and even outside? Why don't we just go ahead and give the pre-made bombs to new terrorists and save them all the hassle of making connections and learning how to build weapons.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Use that argument the next time someone screams about their second amendment rights guaranteeing them the right to own a high capacity assault rifle.

Or is it only outdated when it suits your argument?

Terrorist suits my argument. The only thing I brought up..THEY SHOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS.

 

[zyxt9]

Terrorist suits my argument. The only thing I brought up..THEY SHOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS.

But Mitch these guys were found in the terrorist camps and were fighting the US military and were training other terrorists and more. Surely they deserve to be amongst other criiminals where they can work their propaganda and create more terrorists. That way they can blow more things up and the anti-war group can then point to how useless it was to fight terrorism.

 

[Thumb]

Terrorist suits my argument. The only thing I brought up..THEY SHOULD HAVE NO RIGHTS.

Presumption of guilt, without a trial, and evidence presented how do you say they have no rights?

That's a slippery slope Mitch, today people use it for terrorists tomorrow it will be other crimes.

What separates us (or whats supposed to) from barbaric governments is the due process of law, throw that out the window and we are no better than Iran was when they held our embassy staff hostage.

 

[byco42]

Presumption of guilt, without a trial, and evidence presented how do you say they have no rights?

That's a slippery slope Mitch, today people use it for terrorists tomorrow it will be other crimes.

What separates us (or whats supposed to) from barbaric governments is the due process of law, throw that out the window and we are no better than Iran was when they held our embassy staff hostage.

How many bombings did our embassy staff plan and execute? Due process? The U.S. government is already bouncing drones off the noggins of suspected terrorists. Makes me wonder why the government just doesn't line up all the prisoners in Gitmo and shoot them.

 

[KAWDUP]

Nothing in this reply is even close to a logical argument.

You called Me out, now put up or shut up.

Nothing that you reply ever comes close to a logical argument. I called you out because you made a stupid comment trying to be snarky. Good for you.

BTW you are an amateur at laying down bait in a post.

 

[Thumb]

How many bombings did our embassy staff plan and execute? Due process? The U.S. government is already bouncing drones off the noggins of suspected terrorists. Makes me wonder why the government just doesn't line up all the prisoners in Gitmo and shoot them.

First off, what the embassy staff did or didn't due is irrelevant to this discussion, it's about what the government accused them of without allowing them to defend themselves, speak to council, etc.

And second point, I don't think there is any question that how the government is handling the situation has been terrible for years, drone attacks included.

 

[Thumb]

Nothing that you reply ever comes close to a logical argument. I called you out because you made a stupid comment trying to be snarky. Good for you.

BTW you are an amateur at laying down bait in a post.

This is the best you have? After all this:

This is what is making you weep for our education system?

. . . because somebody made a comment about who the Constitution is designed to protect?

Really?!?

It does not matter whether I know or not. If you really think that I don't know BTW - you are way more ignorant than I ever took you to be. Are you somehow thinking that if I really didn't know - I couldn't just type it in Google to come up with an answer? As always your response is just more Thumber garbage.

At the very least, someone able to comment (rightly or wrongly) on the Constitution's Bill of Rights has shown more education than you.

. . . but you keep weeping for our education system over some completely stupid reasons. There are real problems with our system, but this does not represent one of them.

You have offered no opinion on the subject other than to complain about mine, offered up an incoherent response, and then accuse me of baiting which is the only thing you showed up in this thread for (since you're not discussing the topic) and you aren't even doing well at it.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Presumption of guilt, without a trial, and evidence presented how do you say they have no rights?

That's a slippery slope Mitch, today people use it for terrorists tomorrow it will be other crimes.

What separates us (or whats supposed to) from barbaric governments is the due process of law, throw that out the window and we are no better than Iran was when they held our embassy staff hostage.

Presumption of guilt? They're terrorists. Do you really thing they arrested a guy who was really just in the wrong place at the wrong time or mistaken identity ? You need to make a strong stance with these ass-holes. We need Gitmo just like we need CIA assassins to kill the baddies. We also need torture. Those are the reasons why something only happens every so many years against us rather than everyday.

BTW, like the pic.

 

[KAWDUP]

This is the best you have? After all this:







You have offered no opinion on the subject other than to complain about mine, offered up an incoherent response, and then accuse me of baiting which is the only thing you showed up in this thread for (since you're not discussing the topic) and you aren't even doing well at it.

Says the most ignorant one in the thread. You know why I'm here - you were being a jerk . . . as usual. Asking someone if that is all they got just means they got to you and they/you are trying to cover it up.

Unless of course I'm the one saying it.
. . . but then you knew that. Handling you is like handling a troll. Figures you wouldn't have guessed that by now.

 

[byco42]

First off, what the embassy staff did or didn't due is irrelevant to this discussion, it's about what the government accused them of without allowing them to defend themselves, speak to council, etc.

I have not read any reports of militants surrounding an embassy in the US and holding the staff hostage.

And second point, I don't think there is any question that how the government is handling the situation has been terrible for years, drone attacks included.

That's because we are all suspected terrorists now.

 

[Michchamp]

How many bombings did our embassy staff plan and execute? Due process? The U.S. government is already bouncing drones off the noggins of suspected terrorists. Makes me wonder why the government just doesn't line up all the prisoners in Gitmo and shoot them.

then Halliburton's subsidiary, KBR Root, won't get to keep billing the Feds $800,000 - $900,000 per prisoner, as well as other boondoggles to build or upgrade facilities, tennis courts, soccer fields and video arcades, etc. for the camp staff.

 

[byco42]

then Halliburton's subsidiary, KBR Root, won't get to keep billing the Feds $800,000 - $900,000 per prisoner, as well as other boondoggles to build or upgrade facilities, tennis courts, soccer fields and video arcades, etc. for the camp staff.

Surely then Gitmo will remain open.