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Goodell suggests ditching the PAT kick

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Roger Goodell doesn't want to stand pat with the PAT. He's suggesting potential changes in the extra point that, well, might have some legs.

The NFL commissioner says the extra point kick after touchdowns, which had a success rate of nearly 100 percent, is too automatic. Sure is.

And with few teams attempting 2-point conversion plays until desperation hits late in games, the old 1-pointer from 20 yards is the way coaches go. All that does is draw yawns.

So Goodell wonders if the league can add excitement by making some major adjustments to the extra point, suggesting perhaps making a touchdown worth seven points instead of six, with teams having the option to run a play for another point.

But failing on that play would cost them a point.

Gimmicky, for sure. But if Goodell likes the idea ...

A look at how changes to the extra point would affect football:

HOW AND WHO?

Passing any changes to the playing rules in the NFL is, unlike the extra point kick, no snap.

The competition committee meets with the players' union at the NFL combine in February, where any new proposals or ideas are discussed. It's not unusual for the players to have input in potential adjustments, as they did recently on defenseless player penalties.

The powerful committee, chaired by Atlanta Falcons President Rich McKay, meets for about a week in early March and comes up with any proposals, whether from the teams or union or, yes, the big boss.

At the league meetings later in March, the committee presents potential changes for discussion by all 32 owners, who can either vote on them or table them.

McKay said Tuesday: ''We do anticipate the topic being discussed.''

KICKING AROUND?

The idea of toying with the extra point is not entirely new. John Mara, owner of the New York Giants and among the most influential members of the competition committee, says ''it came up for brief discussion in past meetings, but no action was taken.''

It took the NFL years to come around on the 2-point conversion, which can be a pass or run play from the 2-yard line - and under Goodell's apparent preference, could be worth one point if the kick is eliminated. The 2-pointer existed in the old AFL from 1960-69, and college football has had it since 1958.

But it was defeated several times in NFL owners' votes before it passed in 1994 as part of a package of changes to help the offenses.

YEA AND NAY

Coaches will hate any changes, particularly ones that would mean more decisions for them to make. They so rarely go for the 2-pointers until the fourth quarter, and are reluctant to do so then because, well, there's nothing automatic about those attempts. Indeed, less than half (33 of 69) worked in 2013.

''I will say this: Since 2000, I believe, over 99 percent of the extra points are made,'' Falcons coach Mike Smith said. ''It's almost a given that it is going to be made. I'm sure that the competition committee will address it. As a coach you have to play how the rules are.''

Short-yardage backs such as All-Pro fullback Mike Tolbert of Carolina shouldn't mind the elimination of PAT kicks. Nor should running quarterbacks such as Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick and Cam Newton, whose improvisational skills would be a huge advantage.

Kickers? They probably will shrug and practice their field goals - which is what they normally do regarding extra points anyway.

WHO STAYS, AND WHY

Rosters would get slight revamping, with teams likely keeping at least one power back active every week and having two on the roster. Often, those guys also play on special teams, so their presence wouldn't throw a lineup out of whack.

PRACTICE WON'T MAKE PERFECT

Teams would work even more on their short-yardage packages, beginning in training camp. They would use their PAT offenses in other situations on the field in games, too.

While going for a fourth-and-2 near midfield is less rare than it once was, it might become all the more common when coaches know the more times they attempt such plays, the more seasoned their players will be when trying for the extra points.

WILL IT HAPPEN?

It's impossible to gauge the owners' thinking, and a three-quarters majority is needed to pass any rules changes.

''I know a lot of times when we're at owner meetings, those things are brought up, and it's great when you're in those meetings because you hear all the different opinions that are brought up with that,'' Jaguars coach Gus Bradley said. ''I'm sure there will be discussions about that. I'm excited about hearing all those.''

Goodell doesn't get a vote.

Then again, it sounds like he already has cast his.
 
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If the NFL believes that the PAT is too automatic, just move the kick 15-20 yds further back, so it ain't.

Akers would have missed at least half this season, if kicking the PAT from the 40.
 
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If the NFL believes that the PAT is too automatic, just move the kick 15-20 yds further back, so it ain't.

Akers would have missed at least half this season, if kicking the PAT from the 40.

Ironically, Akers was perfect from outside of 50.
 
I like the idea of moving it up. Put it at the one yard line, it would be more tempting to go for two.

My personal idea is whoever scores the touchdown has to kick the extra point. So if CJ catches it he has to kick the PAT. If Suh recovers a fumble in the endzone he gets the chance to redeem himself from the missed PAT in his rookie year.
 
I like the idea of moving it up. Put it at the one yard line, it would be more tempting to go for two.

My personal idea is whoever scores the touchdown has to kick the extra point. So if CJ catches it he has to kick the PAT. If Suh recovers a fumble in the endzone he gets the chance to redeem himself from the missed PAT in his rookie year.

Lol. That would be an awesome idea.
 
I say get rid of the kickers all together. No FGs, no extra points and no kickoffs. After a score you get the ball at the 20. No punt returns either. It is a fair catch or the punting team can down it.
 
If the NFL believes that the PAT is too automatic, just move the kick 15-20 yds further back, so it ain't.

Akers would have missed at least half this season, if kicking the PAT from the 40.

the average miss in the nfl was from 47 yards which would mean the ball gets spotted around the 30.
 
They need to move the kickoff, make it 1 point if it goes through the up rights. It would make strong legged kickers more valuable, and if they have to move it up to get like 80% success rate it opens up more onside kicks.. As for the PAT if they want to make it more difficult move it outside the hash to create an angle similar to college put an X where they have to place the ball for the kick or move it back. They also need to put cameras in the goal line pilons with 1 or 2 suspended above the field to see if the ball crosses.
 
They need to move the kickoff, make it 1 point if it goes through the up rights. It would make strong legged kickers more valuable, and if they have to move it up to get like 80% success rate it opens up more onside kicks.. As for the PAT if they want to make it more difficult move it outside the hash to create an angle similar to college put an X where they have to place the ball for the kick or move it back. They also need to put cameras in the goal line pilons with 1 or 2 suspended above the field to see if the ball crosses.

screw the cameras....just put gps in the ball and as soon as it touches the barrier have lights go off around the stadium like hockey :D
 
screw the cameras....just put gps in the ball and as soon as it touches the barrier have lights go off around the stadium like hockey :D

I've thought about that, don't know how it works in hockey but the only reason not to is if the weight throws the balance of the ball off so you can't throw as tight a spiral. The cameras are also for stepping out of bounds.
 
Go the Jetson way. At least for kickers and refs, robots.
 
Go the Jetson way. At least for kickers and refs, robots.

You could load the football into a robot then fire it at the uprights, then on D you could have an air defense system that fires minny robots trying to intercept the ball before it reaches its apex which at that time becomes goal tending. It's a precursor blernsball.
 
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You could load the football into a robot then fire it at the uprights, then on D you could have an air defense system that fires minny robots trying to intercept the ball before it reaches its apex which at that time becomes goal tending. It's a precursor blernsball.

robot football would reduce the safety lawsuits!
 
Make the extra point a 40 yarder.

I was also thinking they should run it a bit like college OT...after those teams score td's on the first 2 possessions they have to go for 2. Maybe in the NFL once you score 3 td's in a game or reach a certain point level (maybe 21 points) then you have to go for 2 if you score a TD??? or maybe everyone has to go for 2 during the 4th quarter.

That's probably too messy and I'm sure there are holes in that but I don't mind seeing something done with the extra point since it is automatic.
 
Start allowing D to have 1 designated blocker who is allowed to use teammates to launch themselves higher (only on PATs) maybe only using hands on teammates shoulder pads but not opposed to allowing them to step upon teammates back. At least give the D a fighting chance to block it. Then it gets more exciting on whether or not the D gets the block or not and also makes coaches consider going for 2 more since it won't be so automatic. Keeps the tradition alive as well.

Furthermore, if the D blocks the kick then they score a point, now that would really make coaches think about the 2pt option more.
 
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No holder. Just let the center hike the ball and the K has to kick it while in the air..
 
Start allowing D to have 1 designated blocker who is allowed to use teammates to launch themselves higher (only on PATs) maybe only using hands on teammates shoulder pads but not opposed to allowing them to step upon teammates back. At least give the D a fighting chance to block it. Then it gets more exciting on whether or not the D gets the block or not and also makes coaches consider going for 2 more since it won't be so automatic. Keeps the tradition alive as well.

Furthermore, if the D blocks the kick then they score a point, now that would really make coaches think about the 2pt option more.

You talking like a throw in in Rugby?
 
You talking like a throw in in Rugby?

Sorry, I don't follow rugby at all.

I'm saying the D is allowed one player to be a designated eligible 'jumper' for lack of a better term. Maybe rule will state jumper cannot go across line of scrimmage during jump and must start from within the end zone, but this one player is allowed to do what is currently flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct actions such as using a teammate for leverage to get more height on their jump by pushing up on a teammates shoulder pads or stepping on teammates back to get more height.

It is still a timing thing for the jump and kickers might try kicking around where they think the jumper will be. The problem is the rules have made the XP a near automatic make, so wouldn't a more logical solution be to slightly tweak the rules back toward giving the D a chance to block the kick? Wouldn't that be more aligned with the traditions of the game?

I added in the additional argument that if a block is made by the 'jumper' then the D gets the point to make coaches think harder about going for the 2pt try. The kick would still have a higher % success rate, but it makes it far more compelling this way.
 
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