Gordon and 1st rounder for Magette

[deathroh]

The cap room won't necessarily be for free agents though anyway. That extra cap room will give him a lot more flexibility in trades because he could absorb a bigger contract without having to match salaries. And with Detroit not being a very attractive place for free agents that might be the route he's taking.

I have no idea what trades could possibly be out there that would make sense. Just pointing out that cap space isn't just for a free agent bonanza.

Good point.

 

[biggunsbob]

I just want a better team for the pistons... I know David Stern Just wants the top markets in the playoffs but that has not stopped the pistons and whoever owns them in the past.. Not many franchises in the NBA have 3 NBA titles.. I just want the Pistons to get better... I reject that Detroit cannot win more NBA titles...The whole point is to get better... Joe D. needs to deliver...

 

[zoombabyzoom]

That actually does your argument an injustice, Zoom. The top nine guys all benefit heavily from marketing deals and then the 10th and lower are all making 2.5 million or less per year from endorsements!

There's roughly 25 all stars per season so the big dogs, like I said yesterday, get all the table food and the other 99% of the NBA are left fighting for the leftovers. Wow, real big effect...

Yea Im only talking about the Stars, they make more money in big Markets. True.

Run along now

 

[deathroh]

Big Market thing isnt overplayed. In those big markets a star player can make oodles more money with marketing and such than he could in a small market.

You can choose from being resigned to your own team at 18+ a year, making 15 million a year in marketing (Detroit). Or go to a big market team make 16+ a year and make 50 million a year in marketing.

Not trying to take sides in this amusing argument, but if the 15% bump you're saying Lebron got is standard, and you apply it to the endorsements listed on the previous link, only Lebron and Kobe would make more by going to the bigger market team in your scenario above.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

LOL I was being sarcastic in that comment....50 million who would believe that.

 

[deathroh]

I was talking about the 18 vs 16 a year part. Only Lebron and Kobe would have in increase of over $2 million in endorsements if everything in my post is true.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

Oh the difference in 16 and 18 isnt with endorsements. That's the players NBA contract, if a player resigns with his own team he roughly makes 2 million more a year. But most of these top stars make more than 2 million in endorsements. And those endorsements increase if they move to a big market which would be more than the 2 million they lose by switching teams.

Plus the information on that link isn't correct anyways. LeBron, Wade, Melo, and Rashard Lewis' salaries are all wrong. And thats just by glancing at them. Deron Williams just got some new endorsements thanks to the team officially being the Brooklyn Nets.

“It’s been a lot different than Utah, that’s for sure,” said Williams, who has picked up endorsements from Audi, Metro PCS, Bonobos suits and Red Bull, among others. “It’s definitely a bigger market, a better market, able to reach more people.A lot of the companies I’m dealing with are excited about the move to Brooklyn. It really excites them.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/ne...dy-reaping-the-marketing-benefits-of-brooklyn

Funny how the Nets moving to brooklyn get Deron more money...

 

[deathroh]

... And those endorsements increase if they move to a big market which would be more than the 2 million they lose by switching teams...

If it's accurate that the standard bump is 15%, then a player would have to be making over $13 million in endorsements prior to the move for this to be true. According to the (disputed) link, there are only two players that fit the bill.

 

[zoombabyzoom]

Just because LeBron got that bump why would everyone else? Each player is different

 

[kingofdetroit57]

Dare I say that I'm actually pretty excited about this team all of the sudden? Dumping BG's contract and landing Drummond were two things I thought were impossible a week ago. If we could amnesty Charlie and trade some expiring deals we might have something really good again.

 

[deathroh]

Just because LeBron got that bump why would everyone else? Each player is different

I didn't say they would, I was using that as an example. I think it's pretty fair though. Would you expect many players to get a bigger bump than the best player in the world leaving a toxic waste dump?

 

[mhughes0021]

market schmarket....when detroit teams are good we fill the up the stadiums with the best of them. Theres really no comparision. Even a sub .500 tigers team gets close to 20,000 more ppl in the seats per night than a very good TB Rays team. If you watched ESPNs draft coverage last night then you know the teams with mutiple big stars are about to get raped with the new luxury tax system. Its a good idea to cut bad weight now (Gordon/CV) cause theres going to be quality FA markets out there very soon.

 

[beez]

market schmarket....when detroit teams are good we fill the up the stadiums with the best of them. Theres really no comparision. Even a sub .500 tigers team gets close to 20,000 more ppl in the seats per night than a very good TB Rays team. If you watched ESPNs draft coverage last night then you know the teams with mutiple big stars are about to get raped with the new luxury tax system. Its a good idea to cut bad weight now (Gordon/CV) cause theres going to be quality FA markets out there very soon.

Is Tampa really a fair comparison...thats not a sports city, it's filled with old people, they play in St Petersberg I think and they've never drawn fans. They draw lower than almost anybody.

 

[mhughes0021]

Is Tampa really a fair comparison...thats not a sports city, it's filled with old people, they play in St Petersberg I think and they've never drawn fans. They draw lower than almost anybody.

look at any B1G NCAA football numbers. Look at TV ratings in our market. People in the detroit area watch more sports than just about anyone in the country. The only argument AGAINST our market is that the players themselves dont want to live in a shit hole. But it IS a big market.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Market is also about filling seats. We have a lot more fans of the sport and team, but fewer people able/willing to pay for tickets. We are a sizable TV market, but a small ticket and merchandise market.

 

[deathroh]

Market is also about filling seats. We have a lot more fans of the sport and team, but fewer people able/willing to pay for tickets. We are a sizable TV market, but a small ticket and merchandise market.

What????? The Pistons were first or second in attendance from 2003 though 2009 (1st 6 times, 2nd once) 8th in 2010 and only fell off the map when the team did. If this team wins they'll fill the seats. Hell, if they field a competent team that plays hard they'll be in the top half in attendance. You can talk about the economy if you want, but that didn't hurt the 08 and 09 figures, and the numbers the Tigers are putting up (10th in % sold last year, 6th this year) destroy that argument also.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

Actually, I wasn't discounting wins here. I don't disagree that winning will again fill the seats. But a true large market doesn't see this precipitous of a drop-off in down seasons. While we have a large number of people watching, our ticket buyers are lower in number or percentage compared to large markets. Consequently, more of our ticket-buying demographic tend to be fair weather fans.

I'm just saying, NY, Boston, and LA still sell out in their down years. Our market has the potential to create a lot of revenue, but also requires more work on the part of ownership in keeping interest and competitive within the league.

 

[deathroh]

...While we have a large number of people watching, our ticket buyers are lower in number or percentage compared to large markets...

Actually Detroit has a much higher percentage of ticket buyers than markets like NY or LA, even in down years. Of course now I'm just having fun with numbers. I agree with some of what you're saying here, but calling Detroit a small ticket market is going too far.

 

[everyoneneedsasmil]

It is though, unless we are winning. And yes, the numbers are skewed. NY and LA have many times the number of actual people living there as in Detroit. But it does mean that if an equal ratio of our fans are fairweather, there is a much greater affect on overall sales in down years (as we are seeing now).

Basically, even if Detroiters are more hardcore fans on average, the number of hardcore locals will just never reach the same number as those in big markets.

Also, because it was mentioned before, the economy doesn't have a huge effect on tickets (those purchasing season tickets or box seat are not the ones most affected by a flailing economy). But it does have a significant effect on population and quality of location. Detroit failing as a city doesn't kill the Pistons as a business, but it does limit their ability to bid for services against teams with attractive secondary benefits.

 

[deathroh]

Yes, I know a larger population is going to cause less variance. I was just giving you a lesson on how percentages work.

The only time Detroit is a small ticket town is when they're losing - disastrously. Otherwise they're mid at worst.