Gotta love that skinny M hat Jim!

[Spartanmack]

Narduzzi left after the 2014 season, we weren't great defensively in 2015 but still made the CFP, 2016 was a disaster all around but our defense has been top 10 for each of the last two seasons, I don't see any argument for a shake up on the defensive coaching side.

I'm not surprised to read that, if I recall you were one of the people who thought hiring Bollman was a good move and you rarely question anything Dantonio does. As for 2015, that's one year removed from Narduzzi leaving, it was a gradual decline from there.

edit: actually, I can't name anything MD has done that you questioned - you're more of a Dantonio apologist defending everything about him.

 

[Spartanmack]

Anyway I picked the Spartans to win today in our board pick?ems game? So I hope they don?t let me down the way my Michigan Wolverines did.

sorry about that - I wanted them to win too.

 

[tinselwolverine]

sorry about that - I wanted them to win too.

I think I only put on two confidence points.

 

[sggatecl]

Rent free real estate!

 

[jwlcosu]

What did you see out there today, coach?

 

[Sbee]

Rent free real estate!

Please, we're rivals. people know what's going on with their rivals

 

[Sbee]

What did you see out there today, coach?

blank stares and non sequiturs, that's your typical presser with Jim

 

[Sbee]

I'm not surprised to read that, if I recall you were one of the people who thought hiring Bollman was a good move and you rarely question anything Dantonio does. As for 2015, that's one year removed from Narduzzi leaving, it was a gradual decline from there.

edit: actually, I can't name anything MD has done that you questioned - you're more of a Dantonio apologist defending everything about him.

I've questioned a few things, letting Winston back on the team, sticking with Maxwell, playing him for that last series against ND, there are others.

As for Warner and Bollman, if you can find someone better who is a fit for this program, hire them. I don't think another OC would have done much differently this year given the injuries. I think our problem this year were related to injuries, attrition, scheme, in that order.

 

[Spartanmack]

I've questioned a few things, letting Winston back on the team, sticking with Maxwell, playing him for that last series against ND, there are others.

As for Warner and Bollman, if you can find someone better who is a fit for this program, hire them. I don't think another OC would have done much differently this year given the injuries. I think our problem this year were related to injuries, attrition, scheme, in that order.

so you haven't questioned him since 2012 or week 1 of 2013. I remember criticizing MD for letting Winston back on the team but I don't recall anyone else saying letting Winston back on the team was a bad move. I think I was the only who - at least at the time when he went straight from jail to practice. Maybe in hindsight after his second assault charge, people criticized MD for the move.

Here we are with the injury excuse again, but this isn't the only year the offense has been bad. The offense sucked last year and the year before and have been pretty mediocre in several other years under these 2.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

Only the University of Michigan could be overconfident playing a rival that they lost 14 out of 15 to. How does that happen? the 5th year seniors on that team had no idea what it was like to beat OSU but still felt like they just had to show up to win???

14-15

I thought Michigan would win this year and buffer that margin. I almost bet $ on Michigan based on sure stats alone (they are bound to win) but did a no play last minute. Too close to call before the game. Chase the trash talker was very, very quiet afterwards. Chase, classless "act like ive never been there before" kept those bucked teeth inside his nerdy white pie hole. Youd think his team had whipped Alabama after beating a hobbled, poor MSU squad after years of losing. He is a complete waste of carbon.

 

[Spartan23MSU]

What did you see out there today, coach?

Pure and unobstructed punishment will make him roll the eyes. :bat::bat::bat::bat:

 

[jwlcosu]

14-15

I thought Michigan would win this year and buffer that margin. I almost bet $ on Michigan based on sure stats alone (they are bound to win) but did a no play last minute. Too close to call before the game. Chase the trash talker was very, very quiet afterwards. Chase, classless "act like ive never been there before" kept those bucked teeth inside his nerdy white pie hole. Youd think his team had whipped Alabama after beating a hobbled, poor MSU squad after years of losing. He is a complete waste of carbon.

Chase is quite the loudmouth. No doubt about it. Unless another Wolverine managed to go 0-6, nobody in Michigan football history has a poorer record against the Buckeyes. But that doesn?t stop his jaws from flapping. It?s a ?mirage,? don?t you know. Loser.

 

[Sbee]

so you haven't questioned him since 2012 or week 1 of 2013. I remember criticizing MD for letting Winston back on the team but I don't recall anyone else saying letting Winston back on the team was a bad move. I think I was the only who - at least at the time when he went straight from jail to practice. Maybe in hindsight after his second assault charge, people criticized MD for the move.

Here we are with the injury excuse again, but this isn't the only year the offense has been bad. The offense sucked last year and the year before and have been pretty mediocre in several other years under these 2.

I can't see how anyone couldn't consider the injuries as a huge factor. I see all these stats about how few touchdowns we scored in our last few games, etc, but our offense also was without Lewerke, Scott, Davis, our 3 most important players on offense going into the season. We also had important players transfer after 2017. I just think it's a case of expecting 1st string production out of 3rd string players.


as for previous years, outside of 2014 when we set records offensively we've played a lot of low scoring games. we beat Iowa 16-13 in the title game, won at OSU 17-14, had a lot of low scoring wins in 2017. I'm not saying Warner needs to stay but I wouldn't fire him unless you had someone in mind that would be a clear upgrade and a good fit with the staff.


If you took the 2013 team that won the Rose bowl and took Cook, Langford, and Fowler off, then had Jack allen, Tony Lippett, Mac Kings, and Aaron Burbridge miss significant time, I doubt that team would be better than 7-5.

 

[Spartanmack]

I can't see how anyone couldn't consider the injuries as a huge factor. I see all these stats about how few touchdowns we scored in our last few games, etc, but our offense also was without Lewerke, Scott, Davis, our 3 most important players on offense going into the season. We also had important players transfer after 2017. I just think it's a case of expecting 1st string production out of 3rd string players.

Nobody ever said the injuries weren't critical but it's crazy to chalk it all up to injuries. First - it's not just this year. Although the team was far more successful in '17, the offense was ranked in the bottom 3rd in college football. Second, the team was still mostly healthy at ASU where they scored 13 points, they put up 30+ the next 2 weeks against IU and CMU (awesome!) then scored just 19 at home against NW - that wasn't all due to injuries. Third, the Scott injury wasn't THAT meaningful considering he was the second or third best back when he was healthy - he wasn't one of our 3 most important players on offense, except to the guys who couldn't see that he wasn't as good as Heyward - that's the coaches, Warner and Bollman.

as for previous years, outside of 2014 when we set records offensively we've played a lot of low scoring games. we beat Iowa 16-13 in the title game, won at OSU 17-14, had a lot of low scoring wins in 2017. I'm not saying Warner needs to stay but I wouldn't fire him unless you had someone in mind that would be a clear upgrade and a good fit with the staff.

I'm not sure what you mean by this because this is the point some of us are making - much of the success we've had is in spite of, not because of Warner and Bollman. Other than 2014, the team has lived and died by the success of the defense - the offense is weak. I don't follow coaching that closely, but I reject the notion that there isn't a better option out there than what we currently have. It's not my job, nor am I under any obligation to name who we could get to do better in order to criticize Warner and Bollman - that's Dantonio's job and he deserves criticism for not doing it. That's fair game.

I don't know what would have happened if all those players got hurt in 2013 and it doesn't matter because 2018 isn't the only year this offense hasn't produced. Who were we missing for the bowl game that kept us from scoring more than 6 points? Why was the offense so bad in 2017?