Greatest RHP in History (for reaL)

[Mitchrapp]

I hear reports that Walter Johnson threw near 100 MPH. Which conflicts with some on here who say 90 was the Max back them. Even 80. But he was a hell of pitcher regardless the era.

 

[kalinecountry]

Mitch[/color]]I hear reports that Walter Johnson threw near 100 MPH. Which conflicts with some on here who say 90 was the Max back them. Even 80. But he was a hell of pitcher regardless the era.

We will never know. Hitters from the era used to go back to the bench sit in the dugout and say they never saw the ball, or just heard a "hiss" or it looked the size of a pea. Johnson was a true gentleman playing with many who were wild men of the day drinking, etc. He knew he threw hard and was very fearful of hitting a batter. It wasn't in his demeanor.
Cobb, after a few years, noticed this and began crowding the plate on him and his average and walks increased the rest of the at bats.
A few threw hard, but back then pitchers loaded up the ball with spit, grease/goo, scuffed. Other pitchers had an out pitch like Mathewson's 'fade away' that might have moved like a screw ball.

 

[tycobb420]

KalineCountry[/color]]

3b must be on here somewhere. Came down to Schmidt and Brandon Inge (silly me).

I started the RHP thread and it posted before it was ready. Mitch deleted it to avoid confusion with this one. This did max out the # of possible answers!

Yes 3B is on the page, just not included in list of the best ever at positions as you go to next position.
Thanks for explaining about the RHP thread. I was away.

Fixed!

 

[tycobb420]

This is a huge list, but it could have been trimmed some IMO.

Morris, and Blyleven for instance, they were good, but not in the same class as Walter Johnson, Christy Matthewson, Cy Young, and Bob Feller, to say nothing about they aren't even in the same class as Ryan, Gibson, Palmer, Maddux and Clemens.

But I can't complain really as the voting has looked good, especially since there is no option for Nate Robertson.

It was paired down! lol

 

[tycobb420]

KalineCountry[/color]]I voted for Walter Johnson. Personally, can't see who or how it is any of the other great pitchers.
Once again, the Negro Leagues had two great RHP pitchers and several that were excellent.
Satchel Paige just might be the equal to any ML RHP pitcher, and also Smokey Joe Williams who is said to have thrown faster than Satch.
and Walter Johnson said that Smokey Joe Wood threw faster than he did.
Pitchers from different eras is just as difficult to compare for me as hitters for all the variables including bigger stronger player.

Walter Johnson
Christy Mathewson
Grover 'Pete' Alexander
Tom Seaver
Cy Young
Satchel Paige
Bob Feller
Gibson
Marichal
Palmer
Maddux
Robin Roberts
Ryan
Mordecai Brown
Clemens
Jenkins
Ed Walsh
Pedro
Perry
Smokey Joe Williams
Early Wynn
Halladay
Sutton
Red Ruffing
Bunning
Drysdale
Lyons
Dean
Blyleven
Niekro

Always had difficulty with 19th century rankings Nichols, Clarkson, Radbourn, Keefe, Rusie, Welch.

Verlander has a very good chance of moving way up the ladder with a full and similar career of his up to now numbers.
Halladay should move up too.

Just my opinion. Some of you might have a pitcher ranked higher, Ryan/pedro, or a pitcher I ranked lower.

The sheer volume of pitchers in the HOF was ridiculous. I should have included Pedro and could have included Halladay, but don't think it would have made a difference. Perhaps if this was "of the last 50 years" or something it might have.

 

[tycobb420]

I'll close this in a couple hours. I am splitting relievers into two cats to account for the change from the 3 inning closer to the 1 inning specialist.

 

[kalinecountry]

KalineCountry[/color]]I voted for Walter Johnson. Personally, can't see who or how it is any of the other great pitchers.
Once again, the Negro Leagues had two great RHP pitchers and several that were excellent.
Satchel Paige just might be the equal to any ML RHP pitcher, and also Smokey Joe Williams who is said to have thrown faster than Satch.
and Walter Johnson said that Smokey Joe Wood threw faster than he did.
Pitchers from different eras is just as difficult to compare for me as hitters for all the variables including bigger stronger player.

Walter Johnson
Christy Mathewson
Grover 'Pete' Alexander
Tom Seaver
Cy Young
Satchel Paige
Bob Feller
Gibson
Marichal
Palmer
Maddux
Robin Roberts
Ryan
Mordecai Brown
Clemens
Jenkins
Ed Walsh
Pedro
Perry
Smokey Joe Williams
Early Wynn
Halladay
Sutton
Red Ruffing
Bunning
Drysdale
Lyons
Dean
Blyleven
Niekro

Always had difficulty with 19th century rankings Nichols, Clarkson, Radbourn, Keefe, Rusie, Welch.

Verlander has a very good chance of moving way up the ladder with a full and similar career of his up to now numbers.
Halladay should move up too.

Just my opinion. Some of you might have a pitcher ranked higher, Ryan/pedro, or a pitcher I ranked lower.

The sheer volume of pitchers in the HOF was ridiculous. I should have included Pedro and could have included Halladay, but don't think it would have made a difference. Perhaps if this was "of the last 50 years" or something it might have.

So true Ty. Just an incredible number of pitchers.
You might have been able to get all or nearly all RHP pitchers if you had broken it down to say PreWW2 and after.
Still a monumental task and, if I could speak for all, a big thankyou.

 

[kalinecountry]

I'll close this in a couple hours. I am splitting relievers into two cats to account for the change from the 3 inning closer to the 1 inning specialist.

Looking forward to that.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Btw, if i hadn't said so - these poll threads are awesome.

 

[tycobb420]

Thank you KC and Mitch.

Time to call it for Walter Johnson.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

I went with Christy Mathewson. He very narrowly edges out Johnson and Young for me. Lots of great picks on this list beyond those three too.