Greg Maddux won't be a unanimous HOF pick...

[mhughes0021]

over 97% is pretty dang good for maddux.....not sure what this thread was referring to. The joke imo is Bonds and Clemens....take away their "pumped up" years and they are still WAY beyond HOF players. ESPN radio host did the numbers and if you take away 20% of their production Bonds still ends up 7th in Homeruns all time and Clemens ends up 5th in Ks all time. 20 % is a ton!....and they still finish that high. they are HOFs....period. All the old vote casters need to die already.

I also don't understand why Curt Schilling isn't getting any votes. he was way better than Glavine in basically every category and every advanced metrics. How does Glavine get in before schilling? Hof is a joke.

 

[spockmaster]

Not really. In the end of someone does or does not make it it's because he either had enough votes, or didn't. You can't hang it on any one guy any more then any other.

It's a stupid reason, no argument. My point is when people say he should have his vote taken away for voting how he feels (irregardless of how anyone else feels of it) they should understand that no matter how someone votes, someone else will always think it's stupid and they should have their vote taken away.

Remember nobody got in last year, because the field was so full of PED users. So why all of a sudden is it a big deal now?

So yeah, 1 guy, 1 vote. If someone does or does not make the hall that guys vote would be a small percentage of why/why not anyways.

Craig Biggio just got fucked because he was one vote short this year.

 

[Thumb]

Craig Biggio just got fucked because he was one vote short this year.

But 1 vote short means lots of guys didn't vote for him, so you can't say it was 1 vote that screwed him, which was the point I was trying to make to booger, that he obviously missed.

Unless the vote was unanimous, 1 vote does not change a thing, it's X number of No votes vs. Y number of Yes votes.

 

[kalinecountry]

That's cold..

The memory bank is still sharp after all Mitch,

from Mlive;
Craig Biggio, the longtime Astros star who finished with 3,060 hits, narrowly missed induction with 74.8 percent of the vote -- falling just two votes short.
Biggio tied Nellie Fox in 1985 and Pie Trayor in 1947 for the smallest margin in balloting history.

from the detnews regarding Bunning;
Consider the case of another fine Tigers pitcher, Jim Bunning.
Bunning, who went on to become a U.S. Senator from Kentucky after his baseball days, spent the first nine years (1955-63) of his 17-year baseball career as a Tiger.
He was eventually traded to Philadelphia, where he pitched a perfect game to go with a no-hitter he threw as a Tiger.
He had an outstanding career. But when it came to the Hall of Fame voting, he experienced an even bigger disappointment than Morris.
In his 12th year of being eligible, Bunning finished with 74.2 percent of the vote — just four votes shy of being elected.
That was in 1988.
In 1989, it was thought Bunning would easily get the needed votes, but like Morris just experienced, three excellent first-time candidates were added to the ballot: Johnny Bench, Carl Yastrzemski and Gaylord Perry.
Bench and Yaz made it on the first ballot. Perry made it on his third try, but still received more votes than Bunning in 1989.
Instead of getting the four votes he needed, Bunning slipped from 74.2 to 63.3.
The following year he dropped to 57.9 percent. After being just four votes away in his 12th year, he went the entire 15-year process without making it.
Bunning eventually was voted in by the Veterans Committee in 1996.

 

[byco42]

I am one who believes that Bonds never used PEDs. There is no proof of it. I think he was just a workout fiend and used legal supplements. It's definitely the minority view.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I am one who believes that Bonds never used PEDs. There is no proof of it. I think he was just a workout fiend and used legal supplements. It's definitely the minority view.

I'm not sure how I feel about a player never being caught not getting into the hall. With that being said I think he's guilty of using bad stuff..

 

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I am one who believes that Bonds never used PEDs. There is no proof of it. I think he was just a workout fiend and used legal supplements. It's definitely the minority view.

Yes there is, he admitted to using a substance (later referred to as the clear), which he has said he believed at the time, was flax seed oil, that was supplied to him by Greg Anderson and came from BALCO.

Basically the same thing Sheffield said about the Creme and the Clear, was that he had no knowledge it was anything else. This was one of the reasons that the rule states you're responsible for what goes in to your body. Too many people were claiming (or feigning) ignorance of any wrongdoing.