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[Michchamp]

Additionally it appears that the sequester is going to happen.

Assuming it does, significant cuts in the defense budget will be mandated by law.

So arguably, it makes sense to have a guy in there who is all the mind to cut the fat out already.

that is good news. maybe if we can close of few of the Department of Defense's golf courses, we can start funding schools again so our kids don't grow up to be stupid.

 

[tsmith7559]

that is good news. maybe if we can close of few of the Department of Defense's golf courses, we can start funding schools again so our kids don't grow up to be stupid.

or we can put another 25 million on food stamps..Barry's legacy

 

[tinselwolverine]

or we can put another 25 million on food stamps..Barry's legacy

If you weren't such a talking points moron, you would know the sequester is going to cut way back on all that, too.

 

[Michchamp]

or we can put another 25 million on food stamps..Barry's legacy

the dumb thing is that food stamp payments went up AS DESIGNED DECADES AGO because the economy tanked in '08-'09 and has bumped along with an anemic recovery. It wasn't like Obama had anything to do with it - then or now. His "stimulus" was compromised down into intellectuality in order to get enough GOP votes to pass it, and he's had no political chance of getting more passed since then. Welfare payments to unemployed or underemployed should be expected to be higher when unemployment is high, & people are saving more and spending less.

If you weren't such a talking points moron, you would know the sequester is going to cut way back on all that, too.

if that's true, it's foolish. cutting back on those things will undermine any potential recovery. food stamps & welfare are paid out in cash because people on them need to pay for basic necessities. these aren't like a tax cut to the $1 million income bracket where spending at that level is more or less discretionary. you give a welfare recipient cash, and they will spend it on rent, food, clothes, transportation, etc. which at least keeps consumer spending, the engine on which the economy is based, going.

regardless, it takes a warped sense of reality to watch welfare payments, unemployment insurance and the social safety net created decades ago work as they were designed to, and re-cast that as a "problem" that needs to be fixed and to which cuts need to be made.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Well, that's the sequester-cuts across the board.

 

[Michchamp]

Well, that's the sequester-cuts across the board.

you think variable payments like that should be exempted.

but I guess when you misleadingly (but successfully) cast those receiving unemployment benefits, and food stamps as a bunch of rich drug addicts driving around in cadillacs, it's not easy to muster political power to keep these things in place.

oh well... we're screwed.

 

[tinselwolverine]

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/14/the-sequester-explained/

On my iPhone now, too much of a pain to make a fancy looking link.

 

[Michchamp]

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/09/14/the-sequester-explained/

On my iPhone now, too much of a pain to make a fancy looking link.

hmm. the spending on wars is exempt. so the budget cuts wouldn't really effect ALL defense spending. just maybe the golf courses and high end toilets and bidets for generals and admirals. unthinkable.

The cuts are also evenly split between defense spending ? with spending on wars exempt ? and discretionary domestic spending, which exempts most spending on entitlements like Social Security and Medicaid​

ah.

 

[tsmith7559]

If you weren't such a talking points moron, you would know the sequester is going to cut way back on all that, too.

what talking points...just the facts my friend. Look me up when the food stamp rolls start to dwindle

 

[tsmith7559]

the dumb thing is that food stamp payments went up AS DESIGNED DECADES AGO because the economy tanked in '08-'09 and has bumped along with an anemic recovery. It wasn't like Obama had anything to do with it - then or now. His "stimulus" was compromised down into intellectuality in order to get enough GOP votes to pass it, and he's had no political chance of getting more passed since then. Welfare payments to unemployed or underemployed should be expected to be higher when unemployment is high, & people are saving more and spending less.



if that's true, it's foolish. cutting back on those things will undermine any potential recovery. food stamps & welfare are paid out in cash because people on them need to pay for basic necessities. these aren't like a tax cut to the $1 million income bracket where spending at that level is more or less discretionary. you give a welfare recipient cash, and they will spend it on rent, food, clothes, transportation, etc. which at least keeps consumer spending, the engine on which the economy is based, going.

regardless, it takes a warped sense of reality to watch welfare payments, unemployment insurance and the social safety net created decades ago work as they were designed to, and re-cast that as a "problem" that needs to be fixed and to which cuts need to be made.

Obama had nothing to do with the last 4 years???...lol...ok. 25 Million food stamp recipients added under his watch....

 

[tinselwolverine]

what talking points...just the facts my friend. Look me up when the food stamp rolls start to dwindle

I don't have to look you up, Bonehead, I can tell you right now-when the sequester hits they start to dwindle. Food stamps reduced, battleships reduced, golf courses for generals reduced-everything…

Edit: $1.2 trillion in mandatory budget cuts, divided between defense and domestic programs.

It's on the link I posted, and MichChamp actually copy pasted it anyway. If you had just read it you would've known...

 

[kalinecountry]

what talking points...just the facts my friend. Look me up when the food stamp rolls start to dwindle

why would anyone look you up
or trust you for anything??
your reputation precedes you from the past few months to the present and the future whenever you make a post.

 

[tinselwolverine]

why would anyone look you up
or trust you for anything??
your reputation precedes you from the past few months to the present and the future whenever you make a post.

Ha ha.

Actually, Elrod probably SHOULD be looking him up.

 

[tsmith7559]

why would anyone look you up
or trust you for anything??
your reputation precedes you from the past few months to the present and the future whenever you make a post.

what, no cut and paste???

 

[tsmith7559]

I don't have to look you up, Bonehead, I can tell you right now-when the sequester hits they start to dwindle. Food stamps reduced, battleships reduced, golf courses for generals reduced-everything?

Edit: $1.2 trillion in mandatory budget cuts, divided between defense and domestic programs.

It's on the link I posted, and MichChamp actually copy pasted it anyway. If you had just read it you would've known...

like I said.....look me up when they cut food stamps

 

[Michchamp]

what, no cut and paste???

what does he have to cut and paste, tLiar?

 

[tinselwolverine]

hmm. the spending on wars is exempt. so the budget cuts wouldn't really effect ALL defense spending. just maybe the golf courses and high end toilets and bidets for generals and admirals. unthinkable.

The cuts are also evenly split between defense spending ? with spending on wars exempt ? and discretionary domestic spending, which exempts most spending on entitlements like Social Security and Medicaid​

ah.

Actually, Social Security shouldn't even NEED to be exempted, because it supposed to have its own budget, funded by the payroll taxes.

Except those crooked bastards in Washington DC-Republicans and Democrats alike-have been robbing it blind for years.

 

[tsmith7559]

what does he have to cut and paste, tLiar?

in honor of Elvis's birthday..."he is the king"

 

[tsmith7559]

Actually, Social Security shouldn't even NEED to be exempted, because it supposed to have its own budget, funded by the payroll taxes.

Except those crooked bastards in Washington DC-Republicans and Democrats alike-have been robbing it blind for years.

SS shouldnt even be part of the budget.....starting with LBJ it was changed

 

[kalinecountry]

tsmith, this is the problem with you, you just don't get it, and/or you just don't care.

you lost the respect of a large, 'A Large' majority of posters here, yet come back and post as if nothing happened,

and in recent weeks, you have done your best to troll and bait posters.

#Shameless.

All of us came over from espn, we all posted together there for years, whether we agreed with each others thoughts or not, we respected each other.
wtf happened to you?