HoF, who should be in?

[Rebbiv]

This is a classic debate. We would all like our Tigers to be there. But, we tend to be bias in our evaluation (as do the voters).

So, looking at Baseball References Hall of Fame Monitor (i don't necessarily like it, but it is a way to judge without bias).

Normally, score above 100 is a likely HoFer. I added former and current Tiger players, with a few "control" players added.

T. Cobb 445
C. Ripken 236
I. Rodriguez 226
H. Greenberg 188
J. Morgan 172
A. Kaline 160
R. Sandberg 158
G. Sheffield 156
J. Rice 144
O. Smith 142
H. Newhouser 140
G. Carter 135
R. Yount 132

A. Pettitte 123
J. Morris 122
M. Mussina 121
B. Blyleven 120
C. Fisk 120
B. Larkin 120
O. Vizquel 120
A. Trammell 118
A. Dawson 118
R. Ashburn 113
M. Cabrera 113
M. Ordonez 112
N. Garciaparra 112
R. Schoendienst 110
W. McCovey 110
R. Ferrell 109
R. Campanella 108
J. Kendall 108
L. Parrish 107
W. Stargell 106
P. Reese 100

M. Lolich 98
J. Bunning 98
B. Doerr 96
E. Slaughter 96
D. McLain 92
L. Whitaker 92
B. Sutter 91
G. Kell 90
B. Freehan 84
T. Perez 81
T. Jones 78
L. Doby 76
B. Mazeroski 71
J. Verlander 62
N. Cash 50
W. Horton 30

Again, this is an attempt to be objective and not subjective. Certainly, Morris, Trammell and Parrish belong in the H0F.

The argument would be for Lolich, Whitaker and Freehan. The case would be if Bunning, why not Lolich? With Whitaker, it is Mazeroski.

 

[kingofdetroit57]

I'd put everybody from Lou up in the HOF with the exceptions of Parrish and Kendall. Verlander will be in when it's all said and done too. Sorry, but Freehan, Jones, Cash and Horton don't deserve to get in.

 

[jimrice]

I think some of the lower end guys have a "reason" beyond the stats. I don't really support that, in some cases.

Mazeroski is in for one home run, essentially. Whitaker was clearly better. The problem with using Mazeroski as a bottom end is that there are so many second basemen that have been better. PLus, he was a veteran's pick, which is pretty much BS anyway.

Doby was the first African American in the AL, so, he's clearly in.

I think Perez coat tails the Big Red Machine on in. Doesn't really have the numbers, in my opinion.

3rd base is under represented, so that probably gave Kell a leg up.

 

[tycobb420]

Yes:
Pudge
Sheffield
Morris
Mussina
Larkin
Trammell
Parrish (see Carter's stats)
Whitaker
Freehan

No:
Pettite
Maggs
Nomar
Kendall is a 108? That calls this whole metric into question.
Lolich
Todd Jones
McLain
Cash
Horton
Vizquel

Tracking...
JV
Cabrera

 

[tycobb420]

I think some of the lower end guys have a "reason" beyond the stats. I don't really support that, in some cases.

Mazeroski is in for one home run, essentially. Whitaker was clearly better. The problem with using Mazeroski as a bottom end is that there are so many second basemen that have been better. PLus, he was a veteran's pick, which is pretty much BS anyway.

Doby was the first African American in the AL, so, he's clearly in.

I think Perez coat tails the Big Red Machine on in. Doesn't really have the numbers, in my opinion.

3rd base is under represented, so that probably gave Kell a leg up.

RE: Kell. He was a top notch hitter and fielder. I am not sold that the HOF monitor picks up on all a player's abilities all the time. Kell also called it quits early to be with family.

 

[jimrice]

Yes:
Pudge
Sheffield
Morris
Mussina
Larkin
Trammell
Parrish (see Carter's stats)
Whitaker
Freehan

No:
Pettite
Maggs
Nomar
Kendall is a 108? That calls this whole metric into question.
Lolich
Todd Jones
McLain
Cash
Horton
Vizquel

Tracking...
JV
Cabrera

Omar Vizquel is probably the best defensive shortstop ever, and has compiled good numbers based on longevity. I think he's in easily and probably deserves it.

 

[tycobb420]

Yes:
Pudge
Sheffield
Morris
Mussina
Larkin
Trammell
Parrish (see Carter's stats)
Whitaker
Freehan

No:
Pettite
Maggs
Nomar
Kendall is a 108? That calls this whole metric into question.
Lolich
Todd Jones
McLain
Cash
Horton
Vizquel

Tracking...
JV
Cabrera

Omar Vizquel is probably the best defensive shortstop ever, and has compiled good numbers based on longevity. I think he's in easily and probably deserves it.

Ozzie was better defensively than Vizquel. I am sure he will end up in the HOF, but I would not vote for him unless he got to 3000 hits. (unless I change my mind-lol)

 

[Mitchrapp]

Ozzie was overrated.

 

[jimrice]

I don't agree that Ozzie was better in the field. I think he has the hype, but Vizquel had great range and committed far fewer errors. Ozzie made more spectacular plays but blew more routine ones.

 

[tycobb420]

I don't agree that Ozzie was better in the field. I think he has the hype, but Vizquel had great range and committed far fewer errors. Ozzie made more spectacular plays but blew more routine ones.

He did make more spectacular ones, but I don't think he blew more routine ones than Vizquel. Granted, I could not watch Ozzie everday like I could with Vizquel b/c there was not as much TV coverage.

 

[chrisinthed]

I enjoyed reading this post, but really doubt strongly if Jason Kendall gets into the HOF. He has 6 .300 or better seasons to his credit, but only scored 100 runs once, and never had 200 hits or 20 HR in a season. He won't get to 2500 hits, much less 3000. He is clearly the (at best) fourth best catcher of his era, behind Piazza, Pudge, and Posada off the top of my head.

Garciaparra is intriguing, because he was such a great player for a few years and had a really excellent hitting career (.313 BA), but injuries really cut his career short unfortunately. He will probably get some votes from East coast voters, but shouldn't get in based on career numbers, as they just aren't quite good enough. Who knows though, maybe he gets in.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Garciaparra won't get in. No chance.

 

[hellifino]

Ozzie wasn't over-rated, he was great in his own right, but playing nearly 75% of his games on artificial turf, is just no match what, in my opinion... is the greatest SS to ever play the game.
Vizquel

 

[kalinesboy]

One name I would battle for: Trammell. One name that any baseball fan should get behind and go to war for: Mr. Jack Morris. Greatest AL pitcher in the 80's...superb in the WS. I'm talkin going def con 5 for this disrespected hero of 84' (of course only in a metaphorical sense should we go nuclear)

 

[zoombabyzoom]

In:

Jason Kendall

Out:

Everyone Else

 

[tycobb420]

Mitch[/color]]Garciaparra won't get in. No chance.

I could see him being on the ballot for 14 years b/c he was a Red Sox player.

 

[batcave76]

Everyone should make the HOF.

 

[tomdalton22]

Mitch[/color]]Ozzie was overrated.

Ozzie was a great defensive player but you are right...he was over rated. If he couldn't do a backflip he would be just another slick fielding SS that was average offensively.

 

[tycobb420]

Mitch[/color]]Ozzie was overrated.

Ozzie was a great defensive player but you are right...he was over rated. If he couldn't do a backflip he would be just another slick fielding SS that was average offensively.

13 gold gloves. 1 silver slugger.

The gold gloves and 15 ASGs played a role though too. As did the HR in the 1985 playoffs.

 

[jimrice]

Ozzie was a great defensive player but you are right...he was over rated. If he couldn't do a backflip he would be just another slick fielding SS that was average offensively.

13 gold gloves. 1 silver slugger.

The gold gloves and 15 ASGs played a role though too. As did the HR in the 1985 playoffs.

Ozzie was a really good player, I just don't see how you can think Ozzie is a certain HOF and Vizquel shouldn't be in. No biggie though.

Also, if Jeter can win 5 GG's, it diminishes the award.