I guess we lost the Afghanistan War

[Michchamp]

And here is proof of the Taliban's plans.

In June they executed Afghan forces who were surrendering and unarmed. There is video of the execution should one care to look for it and at it.

How many more executions will the Taliban commit?

But by all means, let us praise them for their methods that bring about stability in the region! Yea Taliban!!! You use methods that if the US deployed them there would be worldwide condemnation and trials, likely resulting in those responsible for these actions being executed in accordance with UCMJ, but you Taliban...to you we will say, "Thank you! Can we have another!!!"

All because we cannot get the rest of the world to join in condemning such actions because for Muslims...and to be clear, not all Muslims but also not limited to only Muslim Extremists or even Orthodox...around the world have enough power and influence that these actions will not result in something along the lines of even UN Sanctions...likely not even a statement of concern is likely from the UN.

So kill at will, Taliban...kill at will, all in the name of "Peace and Stability in Afghanistan!!!" Hooray! Huzzah!!! Allah is Great!!!...oops, I didn't say it in Arabic! No please don't shoot me! I didn't mean........

Why not link to the video yourself? if you're going to use a line like "and here is proof" you should also supply the proof...

I'm not saying the Taliban are good guys; I don't know why you're dropping that bullshit here. I am saying that we are also bad, and we're incompetent and have fucked up that country for 20 years; and we finally just kinda wandered away from the mess we made.

Maybe you can recommend a competent military who can go fight the Taliban and win?

Also, our allies Saudi Arabia are currently slaughtering and have been starving civilians to death in Yemen. Are you going to be consistent here and urge military action against the Saudis as well?

 

[byco42]

All the nations of the world are ?part of the same hypocrisy?.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Why not link to the video yourself? if you're going to use a line like "and here is proof" you should also supply the proof...

I'm not saying the Taliban are good guys; I don't know why you're dropping that bullshit here. I am saying that we are also bad, and we're incompetent and have fucked up that country for 20 years; and we finally just kinda wandered away from the mess we made.

Maybe you can recommend a competent military who can go fight the Taliban and win?

Also, our allies Saudi Arabia are currently slaughtering and have been starving civilians to death in Yemen. Are you going to be consistent here and urge military action against the Saudis as well?

I think it?s China?s turn to have a go.

 

[byco42]

I think it?s China?s turn to have a go.

What?s the angle for China? I don?t see one. I think it would rather have the U.S. entangled in that briar patch.

 

[tigermud]

John Hogue has termed our fallacy in Afghanistan as Vietnaistan on his C2C appearance yesterday and opined that things may have turned out better if Cheney would have allowed us to take care of it in Tora Bora early on but the deep state didn't want it over that quickly and lose out on decades of war department spoils. I'd have to largely agree with his assessment.

 

[tinselwolverine]

What?s the angle for China? I don?t see one. I think it would rather have the U.S. entangled in that briar patch.

About 40 years ago, the Russians had their go, and 20 years later we had our go.

Now it?a 40 and 20 years later.

Next superpower up.

 

[Michchamp]

What?s the angle for China? I don?t see one. I think it would rather have the U.S. entangled in that briar patch.

It's a central Asian country that shares a (disputed) border with China.

FWIW, CNN (aka US Official state media) is painting the relationship between China and the Taliban as rosy (link):

The Islamist group is already planing for such a future, with a Taliban spokesman telling the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post earlier this week that China was a "welcome friend," and conversations over reconstruction should begin "as soon as possible."

The possibility of the Chinese government cooperating with the Taliban in a post-US Afghanistan is not as unlikely as it may first appear. Afghanistan remains a key component in Beijing's long-term regional development plans. In May, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said Beijing was in discussions with Islamabad and Kabul to extend the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to Afghanistan, including expanding transport and trade networks between the three countries.​

It's really not unlikely at all... if a country behaves like our country does, is it any surprise to see our mutual enemies becoming friends?

 

[tinselwolverine]

It's a central Asian country that shares a (disputed) border with China.

FWIW, CNN (aka US Official state media) is painting the relationship between China and the Taliban as rosy (link):

The Islamist group is already planing for such a future, with a Taliban spokesman telling the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post earlier this week that China was a "welcome friend," and conversations over reconstruction should begin "as soon as possible."

The possibility of the Chinese government cooperating with the Taliban in a post-US Afghanistan is not as unlikely as it may first appear. Afghanistan remains a key component in Beijing's long-term regional development plans. In May, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said Beijing was in discussions with Islamabad and Kabul to extend the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to Afghanistan, including expanding transport and trade networks between the three countries.​

It's really not unlikely at all... if a country behaves like our country does, is it any surprise to see our mutual enemies becoming friends?

Wait?what?

I thought this was a go to Republitard talking point??

 

[Spartanmack]

About 40 years ago, the Russians had their go, and 20 years later we had our go.

Now it?a 40 and 20 years later.

Next superpower up.

don't forget about the Brits 183 years ago.

 

[byco42]

It's a central Asian country that shares a (disputed) border with China.

FWIW, CNN (aka US Official state media) is painting the relationship between China and the Taliban as rosy (link):

The Islamist group is already planing for such a future, with a Taliban spokesman telling the Hong Kong-based South China Morning Post earlier this week that China was a "welcome friend," and conversations over reconstruction should begin "as soon as possible."

The possibility of the Chinese government cooperating with the Taliban in a post-US Afghanistan is not as unlikely as it may first appear. Afghanistan remains a key component in Beijing's long-term regional development plans. In May, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Zhao Lijian said Beijing was in discussions with Islamabad and Kabul to extend the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) to Afghanistan, including expanding transport and trade networks between the three countries.​

It's really not unlikely at all... if a country behaves like our country does, is it any surprise to see our mutual enemies becoming friends?

I?m talking armed invasion; you are suggesting a ?mutually beneficial partnership.?

 

[tinselwolverine]

don't forget about the Brits 183 years ago.

Oh yeah.

That was when they mattered, too.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I?m talking armed invasion; you are suggesting a ?mutually beneficial partnership.?

That?s what I?m talkin? about too.

Go big or go home, right?

 

[Spartanmack]

That?s what I?m talkin? about too.

Go big or go home, right?

They don't call it the Graveyard of Empires for nothin'

 

[tinselwolverine]

They don't call it the Graveyard of Empires for nothin'

Ain?t that the truth?!!!

 

[Spartanmack]

Ain?t that the truth?!!!

Amen!

 

[zyxt9]

Why not link to the video yourself? if you're going to use a line like "and here is proof" you should also supply the proof...

I'm not saying the Taliban are good guys; I don't know why you're dropping that bullshit here. I am saying that we are also bad, and we're incompetent and have fucked up that country for 20 years; and we finally just kinda wandered away from the mess we made.

Maybe you can recommend a competent military who can go fight the Taliban and win?

Also, our allies Saudi Arabia are currently slaughtering and have been starving civilians to death in Yemen. Are you going to be consistent here and urge military action against the Saudis as well?

Never said I like the Saudis. I recognize OBL was a Saudi prince.

As for me not posting the link, it was pretty common knowledge what happened by the time I posted it. The "Here" was more in reference to time than to indicate I was posting a link, my apologies if that crossed things up for others, I see how that came across differently than intended.

My way of dealing with all of this would have been to turn these Taliban strongholds out in the Afghan wilderness would have involved less money to US taxpayers.

First I would have negotiated with the Taliban that they could control certain regions and the pro-US Afghans would control other regions.

Then I would let them know that should any of the pro-US regions fall under Taliban attack, the entire region from which the attack was launched would become uninhabitable by any living creature for at least 100 years. And no, not by using nukes. I would accept every ounce of toxic waste from East Asia, cleaning up their horrific situations in the worst areas, and proceed to dump it all upon the Taliban region in question. In this way, the Taliban are killed and we get to accomplish some good in regions severely impacted by decades of toxic waste. If some of that is nuclear waste, all the better...but I would not use an actual nuke warhead.

Liberals who complain will be complaining about toxic waste sites being cleaned up from areas where respectable people live who do not go around doing what the Taliban do.

I figure at least one Taliban group would be the idiots stupid enough to become the poster children for how this would work. With in being in the non-urban and less populated regions, the impact to those individuals would be minimized.

 

[Michchamp]

Never said I like the Saudis. I recognize OBL was a Saudi prince.

...

He wasn't a prince; his father founded the Saudi Bin Laden group, an engineering company that (with ties to US contractors) built almost all the infrastructure - roads, highways, ports, airports, etc. of modern Saudi Arabia

He had fifty-two (52!!!) kids, of which Osama was one.

the bin ladens were in so tight with Saudi Royalty, that even when Osama started "going rogue" and criticizing the decadence of the regime, the King still handled him with kid gloves, only going so far as to revoke his passport when he was in Sudan.

Through 2001, Saudi intelligence more or less knew where Osama Bin Laden was at all times. They were funding the Taliban. this book - written by Lawrence Wright documented all this.

The proper course of action - assuming the official story about who did 9/11 and why is true - would've been to use diplomatic pressure on the Saudis, to pressure the Taliban to turn over bin laden.

in the same book, he writes extensively about how osama bin laden was an outsider to the Afghans, and never had more than a few dozen Arab fighters with him in the country. The Taliban and al qaeda were always separate entities. Only we conflated the two, to take a hamfisted approach to invading & occupying Afghanistan.

The whole thing stinks.

 

[tinselwolverine]

He wasn't a prince; his father founded the Saudi Bin Laden group, an engineering company that (with ties to US contractors) built almost all the infrastructure - roads, highways, ports, airports, etc. of modern Saudi Arabia

He had fifty-two (52!!!) kids, of which Osama was one.

the bin ladens were in so tight with Saudi Royalty, that even when Osama started "going rogue" and criticizing the decadence of the regime, the King still handled him with kid gloves, only going so far as to revoke his passport when he was in Sudan.

Through 2001, Saudi intelligence more or less knew where Osama Bin Laden was at all times. They were funding the Taliban. this book - written by Lawrence Wright documented all this.

The proper course of action - assuming the official story about who did 9/11 and why is true - would've been to use diplomatic pressure on the Saudis, to pressure the Taliban to turn over bin laden.

in the same book, he writes extensively about how osama bin laden was an outsider to the Afghans, and never had more than a few dozen Arab fighters with him in the country. The Taliban and al qaeda were always separate entities. Only we conflated the two, to take a hamfisted approach to invading & occupying Afghanistan.

The whole thing stinks.

Not as much as clearing out the Taliban with the toxic waste would have.

That would have stunk to high heaven.

 

[Spartanmack]

He wasn't a prince; his father founded the Saudi Bin Laden group, an engineering company that (with ties to US contractors) built almost all the infrastructure - roads, highways, ports, airports, etc. of modern Saudi Arabia

He had fifty-two (52!!!) kids, of which Osama was one.

the bin ladens were in so tight with Saudi Royalty, that even when Osama started "going rogue" and criticizing the decadence of the regime, the King still handled him with kid gloves, only going so far as to revoke his passport when he was in Sudan.

Through 2001, Saudi intelligence more or less knew where Osama Bin Laden was at all times. They were funding the Taliban. this book - written by Lawrence Wright documented all this.

The proper course of action - assuming the official story about who did 9/11 and why is true - would've been to use diplomatic pressure on the Saudis, to pressure the Taliban to turn over bin laden.

in the same book, he writes extensively about how osama bin laden was an outsider to the Afghans, and never had more than a few dozen Arab fighters with him in the country. The Taliban and al qaeda were always separate entities. Only we conflated the two, to take a hamfisted approach to invading & occupying Afghanistan.

The whole thing stinks.

the Saudis funded extremists outside SA to keep them outside SA - I wonder how they feel about that since (shockingly) it didn't keep all the extremism out of SA.

Serious question, do you really think the Taliban would have turned over Bin Laden if SA asked them to? Do you know that they didn't ask? Also, we didn't conflate the Taliban with Al Qaeda - that distinction has always been maintained. We invaded Afghanistan to get Bin Laden after the Taliban refused to turn him over based on their selective application of Pashtunwali. The Taliban was supported militarily by extremists in the Pakistani intelligence more than it was by Saudis pumping money into madrasas.

Maybe we should have just sent troops into Tora Bora and been smarter about how they executed that part of the mission. Then maybe they could have gotten Bin Laden and the Taliban could have kept maintaining all that stability you like that didn't actually exist.

 

[Spartanmack]

Thank goodness the Taliban are bringing back stability to Afghanistan. The headline says they're asking for the lists but it's a directive, not a request. Hopefully we get more good news like this about stabilizing the country soon. It's amazing that some people still pretend we're more moral than the Taliban or other countries. I mean, some people in the United States don't want to force women and girls to compete against biological males. You have to be blind to not see how insanely evil the US is. Obviously it's the Republitards - they don't understand the nuances of cultural and moral relativism...