Is this season over?

[LKP]

It isnt idiotic. Its the truth. Nobody has yet to provide a specific example of a ref error that benefitted the lions. I provided like 7. But carry on with your lions negativity crap fest. You can lose a game for many reasons..refs and injuries are valid reasons

Lets beat seattle. We have the talent and coaching to do it

 

[LKP]

Back to the game. Seattle has major rushing attack problems. Rawls 3.2 YPC, Wilson only 3.6 YPC this season and a low in scramble attempts this season. Seattle has major protection problems. Lions should stop the run and get pressure in this game. Lions should be able to pass the ball well too with Thomas out (99 rating allowed without him).


Detroit won't be able to run the ball. Seattle is a best in league 3.4 YPC allowed only.


Detroit wins 3 out of 4 areas. Detroit has good special teams. It comes down to turnovers. Seattle has 11 picks, Detroit has 10 picks on the year. Detroit needs to force one turnover at least.

 

[tomdalton22]

It isnt idiotic. Its the truth. Nobody has yet to provide a specific example of a ref error that benefitted the lions. I provided like 7. But carry on with your lions negativity crap fest. You can lose a game for many reasons..refs and injuries are valid reasons

Lets beat seattle. We have the talent and coaching to do it

the problem with your list is many of those are marginal calls and you call them game changers. The first that comes to mind to me is the OPI on Tate in the last game. By definition, that was in fact OPI. He pushed off extending his arms. While that shit goes on all of the time, it is an easy call for a ref to make. If I remember right, he probably didn't need to push off, but he did.

You "go through the game tape" searching for missed calls so you can make your pathetic excuses. The rest of us don't have the time, or care enough, to scour "game tape" to look for calls that benefit the Lions just to prove you are a moron and a troll. You prove that every time you post your pathetic excuses, true wins, and other bullshit.

 

[LKP]

the problem with your list is many of those are marginal calls and you call them game changers. The first that comes to mind to me is the OPI on Tate in the last game. By definition, that was in fact OPI. He pushed off extending his arms. While that shit goes on all of the time, it is an easy call for a ref to make. If I remember right, he probably didn't need to push off, but he did.

You "go through the game tape" searching for missed calls so you can make your pathetic excuses. The rest of us don't have the time, or care enough, to scour "game tape" to look for calls that benefit the Lions just to prove you are a moron and a troll. You prove that every time you post your pathetic excuses, true wins, and other bullshit.

That was not OPI. It was not questionable, it was just a bad call. And again, based on the balance, Jordy Nelson should have been called for OPI at some point if they are calling ticky tack stuff. The game did not balance in ref errors advantage. Hyde had a DPI on the pick not called. It changed the game. As did Rodgers bogus hurry up cheap shit. Rodgers made some big time scrambles to make some plays. But the Lions were at least even in play with Green Bay. Lawson shut down Adams. Nelson was bottled up enough too. Run D could have been better.

Lions can play better. But they are playing good enough to win these games. Sometimes they have to play great just to win because the refs make errors. Hopefully that won't be the case this week. No ref errors. Detroit has flat out lost games this year. Houston, Giants, and Cowboys (although Cowboys had lots of holding and Bryant had OPI on his first TD)

Injuries are almost even with Prosise, Thomas and McDaniels to Abdullah, Riddick, Diggs and Swanson. And Reiff needs to play because Cornelius Lucas (3rd string due to an injury to Robinson) is not good against Avril and Clark. Ansah needs to abuse the Seattle LT.


Also you don't have to really scour the game tape. Just pay attention and observe the game.

 

[tomdalton22]

hurry up cheap shot...lol, it's within the rules.

I hope Lawson doesn't shut down whoever he's covering this week (6 catches, 2 TDs and a 2PT conversion for icing on the cake) That's Deion Sanders like!

 

[LKP]

hurry up cheap shot...lol, it's within the rules.

I hope Lawson doesn't shut down whoever he's covering this week (6 catches, 2 TDs and a 2PT conversion for icing on the cake) That's Deion Sanders like!

Adams did nothing. He was on Adams or in zone. Great jump ball on throw for the TD

Lawson had a good game per the tape. Slay did a good job too. Lions can shut down Seattle with Slay on Baldwin. Kearse and Richardson not a problem


https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-gb-det-grades/


Look at Lawson's grade. Great game


"Third-year cornerback Nevin Lawson was the standout performer for the Lions’ defense, continuing his solid improvement this year. While Lawson did allow a touchdown to Davante Adams on a fade route, he was able to keep everything else in front of him. In the end, he allowed five receptions, but receivers gained an average of just 4.4 yards per catch, and Lawson also broke up a pass. With both Slay and Lawson playing well, it gives the Lions a solid pairing at corner as they try to contain the Seahawks’ passing attack in next week’s wild card playoff game."

 

[kalinecountry]

I provide real life examples. Nobody has given one example where a ref made an error and benefitted the lions. All 122 calls the refs made against lions opponents were correct. Most of the 118 called on detroit were correct but a few were not. The refs also missed some others on opponents. In a tight nfl, this can impact a game

Show me a ref error, that benefitted the lions. They shouldnt have to win by 14 to win a game by 3 points. Ref errors are not even or balance out

When you first came back, you made many good points about the Lions and players. After awhile, with your comfort level returning, some of the excuses of play, refs, and "true wins' started to rankle people.
I asked you and the other guys to settle down and not bait each other.

I know you are passionate about the Lions and football as are many others here who do Not go to any other forum but live here year round.
I asked others not to troll you, and they did to a degree, but from what I see and read every day, the disfavor was returned to them, which then turns into a shit storm. Three sides to this, their side, your side, and the truth somewhere in the middle. I read all of it!!

I could say that's it and give several here time off as I have threatened to do before in the past 2 months, things settle down for a few days and start up again.
It goes back to when someone dislikes another, all is fine until they see that person post, and they just want to go after them, troll/bait/argue.

You other guys need to stop that when he posts,
and if 'you' want to stay around, all the excuses of penalties, (unless it's blatant and the immediate world sees it, the fluke, the true win, all need to Stop.
The woulda/coulda/shoulda, if only if not for that bad penalty has to stop.
Day after day, is beating a dead horse, it's not going to change the final score. Got to move on.

I am not waiting or looking for any excuse response on the penalties not balancing out, it sucks, but posting excuses constantly is what is pissing this community off.

 

[kalinecountry]

Idiotic comments like this are why we all think you are a moron and a troll.

Tom, you have made your point, several times over, give it a rest.

 

[tomdalton22]

So the DB's were great and shut down GB (despite 4 TD passes and a passing 2pt conversion). If that is the case, per PFF, maybe the reason for the loss was the difference in QB play?

Quarterback grade: Aaron Rodgers, 83.1

Aaron Rodgers makes final case for MVP

Through the first three quarters, Rodgers threw nearly all of his passes under 20 yards downfield and let his receivers do the work after the catch. However, in the fourth quarter, he started to make plays downfield and outside the pocket. On passes over 10 yards in the air, Rodgers completed 66.6 percent of his attempts. His ability to make plays happen in the intermediate and deep downfield ranges was boosted by the lack of pressure the Lions were able to get on him. Rodgers was not pressured on 73.9 percent of his dropbacks and had a passer rating of 121.4 on those attempts


Quarterback grade: Matthew Stafford, 52.2

Stafford posts below-average grade

In the Lions’ most important game to-date, Matthew Stafford made a couple of poor decisions. The first was a bad misread of the coverage, throwing right into the hands of Clay Matthews, whom Stafford never saw. Fortunately for Detroit, Matthews dropped the easy interception and it didn’t harm the team. The second poor pass was when he forced the ball into tight coverage on a back-shoulder throw to Golden Tate that should never have been attempted based on the coverage, resulting in an interception by Micah Hyde and effectively sealing the game. Still, it wasn’t really that bad for Stafford beyond those two throws. He was inaccurate at times, but he had some really nice deep passes, as he completed four passes targeted 20-plus yards downfield for 123 yards and a touchdown.

 

[LKP]

It's a valid opinion with specific examples. They have no real rebuttal other than generic crap. Their negativity with no support to back it up is pissing me off. I've also been called plenty of names (moron, loser etc) and kept my cool. That is what needs to stop. Also random negative posts needs to stop.


It's a football argument. It happens. There are also 10 of them and one of me, so you get a lot of the same examples.


But we are in the playoffs. I said that would happen. Many disagreed. Now we can enjoy some Lions playoff wins.

 

[sggatecl]

So the DB's were great and shut down GB (despite 4 TD passes and a passing 2pt conversion). If that is the case, per PFF, maybe the reason for the loss was the difference in QB play?

Quarterback grade: Aaron Rodgers, 83.1

Aaron Rodgers makes final case for MVP

Through the first three quarters, Rodgers threw nearly all of his passes under 20 yards downfield and let his receivers do the work after the catch. However, in the fourth quarter, he started to make plays downfield and outside the pocket. On passes over 10 yards in the air, Rodgers completed 66.6 percent of his attempts. His ability to make plays happen in the intermediate and deep downfield ranges was boosted by the lack of pressure the Lions were able to get on him. Rodgers was not pressured on 73.9 percent of his dropbacks and had a passer rating of 121.4 on those attempts


Quarterback grade: Matthew Stafford, 52.2

Stafford posts below-average grade

In the Lions? most important game to-date, Matthew Stafford made a couple of poor decisions. The first was a bad misread of the coverage, throwing right into the hands of Clay Matthews, whom Stafford never saw. Fortunately for Detroit, Matthews dropped the easy interception and it didn?t harm the team. The second poor pass was when he forced the ball into tight coverage on a back-shoulder throw to Golden Tate that should never have been attempted based on the coverage, resulting in an interception by Micah Hyde and effectively sealing the game. Still, it wasn?t really that bad for Stafford beyond those two throws. He was inaccurate at times, but he had some really nice deep passes, as he completed four passes targeted 20-plus yards downfield for 123 yards and a touchdown.

I'm sorry Tom, we only comment on PFF when it praises the Lions. You must have missed the memo.

 

[kalinecountry]

It's a valid opinion with specific examples. They have no real rebuttal other than generic crap. Their negativity with no support to back it up is pissing me off. I've also been called plenty of names (moron, loser etc) and kept my cool. That is what needs to stop. Also random negative posts needs to stop.


It's a football argument. It happens. There are also 10 of them and one of me, so you get a lot of the same examples.


But we are in the playoffs. I said that would happen. Many disagreed. Now we can enjoy some Lions playoff wins.

Settle down. if this upsets you this much take a break.
You're pointing the finger at them, you need to look in the mirror and also need to understand, you are pissing them off when you don't stop after a couple of posts about whatever it was.

 

[LKP]

So the DB's were great and shut down GB (despite 4 TD passes and a passing 2pt conversion). If that is the case, per PFF, maybe the reason for the loss was the difference in QB play?

Quarterback grade: Aaron Rodgers, 83.1

Aaron Rodgers makes final case for MVP

Through the first three quarters, Rodgers threw nearly all of his passes under 20 yards downfield and let his receivers do the work after the catch. However, in the fourth quarter, he started to make plays downfield and outside the pocket. On passes over 10 yards in the air, Rodgers completed 66.6 percent of his attempts. His ability to make plays happen in the intermediate and deep downfield ranges was boosted by the lack of pressure the Lions were able to get on him. Rodgers was not pressured on 73.9 percent of his dropbacks and had a passer rating of 121.4 on those attempts


Quarterback grade: Matthew Stafford, 52.2

Stafford posts below-average grade

In the Lions? most important game to-date, Matthew Stafford made a couple of poor decisions. The first was a bad misread of the coverage, throwing right into the hands of Clay Matthews, whom Stafford never saw. Fortunately for Detroit, Matthews dropped the easy interception and it didn?t harm the team. The second poor pass was when he forced the ball into tight coverage on a back-shoulder throw to Golden Tate that should never have been attempted based on the coverage, resulting in an interception by Micah Hyde and effectively sealing the game. Still, it wasn?t really that bad for Stafford beyond those two throws. He was inaccurate at times, but he had some really nice deep passes, as he completed four passes targeted 20-plus yards downfield for 123 yards and a touchdown.

Rodgers played great. The rush was not there. Packers had some holding but that's fine I guess. DPI on for Stafford's lone pick not called. Stafford played well (96 rating) for having a busted finger and missing his center and RT and RBs. Stafford wasn't the reason we lost.

Run D, pass rush to some extent (or Packers holding allowed), LB coverage, timely sack by Perry beating the backup Robinson, Prater missed field goal.

Stafford wasn't the reason we lost. Combo of refs and he above what I mentioned. Both teams in the playoffs. We'll see who goes farther

 

[LKP]

Settle down. if this upsets you this much take a break.
You're pointing the finger at them, you need to look in the mirror and also need to understand, you are pissing them off when you don't stop after a couple of posts about whatever it was.

I need to not be called names when I'm trying to have a football discussion.

The negativity just needs counterpoints. I provide that with plenty of facts. It keeps the board moving. Not everyone will have the same opinion. Some like mine are just more informed.


Just take a look at the name of this thread. This was posted after Week 16. Clearly far from over. Negative just to be negative

 

[kalinecountry]

I need to not be called names when I'm trying to have a football discussion.

The negativity just needs counterpoints. I provide that with plenty of facts. It keeps the board moving. Not everyone will have the same opinion. Some like mine are just more informed.


Just take a look at the name of this thread. This was posted after Week 16. Clearly far from over. Negative just to be negative

I understand, no one likes to be called names, the thing is again, you have done the same, no matter who started it.
Some people have thicker skin than others, especially on a message board.

Your counterpoints, are not all valid, some are what if's, this is where there is a huge difference of opinion as to what you post, and gett upset over the response, mainly due to not letting up after a couple of posts on what ever it was at that point in time.

 

[LKP]

I understand, no one likes to be called names, the thing is again, you have done the same, no matter who started it.
Some people have thicker skin than others, especially on a message board.

Your counterpoints, are not all valid, some are what if's, this is where there is a huge difference of opinion as to what you post, and gett upset over the response, mainly due to not letting up after a couple of posts on what ever it was at that point in time.

They are not what ifs. They are factual specific plays where a ref made an egregious error. Again I have to yet to see someone give a specific example of a ref error that benefited Detroit. And really it's a game by game thing. It should be balance within the game, if it doesn't it can be a big reason why you lost a game when you lose by 1 or 3 or 7.

Lions made the playoffs anyways. I think the refs caused 4 losses (with some average play in there). Lions deserved playoffs by beating Redskins and sweeping Vikings. Now let's see if they can advance in Seattle

 

[kalinecountry]

They are not what ifs. They are factual specific plays where a ref made an egregious error. Again I have to yet to see someone give a specific example of a ref error that benefited Detroit. And really it's a game by game thing. It should be balance within the game, if it doesn't it can be a big reason why you lost a game when you lose by 1 or 3 or 7.

Lions made the playoffs anyways. I think the refs caused 4 losses (with some average play in there). Lions deserved playoffs by beating Redskins and sweeping Vikings. Now let's see if they can advance in Seattle

Can I get some help here. are these all factual plays as lkp says?

Wasn't there a call that went in the Lions favor vs. the bears?

 

[sggatecl]

Can I get some help here. are these all factual plays as lkp says?

Wasn't there a call that went in the Lions favor vs. the bears?

I can't speak for everyone but I don't dwell on penalties for OR against. Since a lot of it is subjective, it's not worth arguing.

There have been plenty of times I thought to myself, "Whew, I'm glad they didn't call PI/holding right there." But as a fan of the Lions, things like that aren't going to stick in my craw like a call that screws the Lions. Asking someone to remember those plays just the same isn't realistic.

*edit* During the Bears game, the Lions were bailed out by at least 2 holding calls that I can remember on the final drive. If the old saying "you could call holding on every play" is true, you don't do that at that point in the game. I'd be furious if that happened to the Lions.

 

[kalinecountry]

I can't speak for everyone but I don't dwell on penalties for OR against. Since a lot of it is subjective, it's not worth arguing.

There have been plenty of times I thought to myself, "Whew, I'm glad they didn't call PI/holding right there." But as a fan of the Lions, things like that aren't going to stick in my craw like a call that screws the Lions. Asking someone to remember those plays just the same isn't realistic.

*edit* During the Bears game, the Lions were bailed out by at least 2 holding calls that I can remember on the final drive. If the old saying "you could call holding on every play" is true, you don't do that at that point in the game. I'd be furious if that happened to the Lions.

Thanks sggatecl, and your first sentence is probably why I couldn't remember anything specific other than Lions getting a break on non call

 

[LKP]

Those were holds though. It wasnt a ref error. I am not saying there is never a penalty on lions. They were not ref errors. Lions pass rush caused those holds. Egregious ref errors is what i want to see