Justice for a Vist

[LKP]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2013/05/detroit_lions_will_host_free_a.html
Bring on the competition at RT.

 

[Mitchrapp]

So the guy that Godser replaced? Sweet ;-(

 

[mhughes0021]

So the guy that Godser replaced? Sweet ;-(

thats about whats hes worth. Im pretty sure hes visited every team in the NFL.

 

[zyxt9]

Hey, let's be honest for a moment. A frozen corpse could be added to the team and LKP would be excited about the Lions adding a "solid" player, one who will help finally break the losing streak at The Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field.

 

[cheeno]

Like I said in another thread we have to add a vet tackle or if one of ours goes down, Fox, we literally have no back up. We've got three on the roster.

 

[LKP]

Hey, let's be honest for a moment. A frozen corpse could be added to the team and LKP would be excited about the Lions adding a "solid" player, one who will help finally break the losing streak at The Frozen Tundra of Lambeau Field.

Justice was solid last year. Watch some Indy games and get back to me. Gosder was good in pass blocking. Good competition at RT, not an upgrade over Gosder with Justice. But I'll take solid competition and Justice's price over what Gosder got. Plus I'll take Justice's starting experience over Hilliards and Fox's as well. It's not always the simple he got let walk in free agency(not cut) so he must suck.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Justice was solid last year. Watch some Indy games and get back to me. Gosder was good in pass blocking. Good competition at RT, not an upgrade over Gosder with Justice. But I'll take solid competition and Justice's price over what Gosder got. Plus I'll take Justice's starting experience over Hilliards and Fox's as well. It's not always the simple he got let walk in free agency(not cut) so he must suck.

Haven't you been saying that Hilliard/Fox can get it done. And now Justice is the front runner in your opinion, someone Indy didn't even want as its backup?

 

[LKP]

Haven't you been saying that Hilliard/Fox can get it done. And now Justice is the front runner in your opinion, someone Indy didn't even want as its backup?

I think they can get it done. And I think Justice is solid too if he plays like last year. If he plays like he did in Philly then he sucks for the most part. Lots of players can get things done.

Justice had a solid year last year. Indy wanted to pay Gosder. Gosder is an upgrade over Justice but doesn't mean the Lions can't win and do well with Justice/Hilliard or Fox. Gosder was inconsistent in 2011 and yet they won more games. When Gosder was awesome in pass pro they were 4-12. This season doesn't all hinge on the RT and OLB or number 2/nickel CB. It hinges on Stafford, Reiff, Bush, Calvin, Tulloch,,Delmas/Quin/Houston, the DEs/DTS making big plays. And some solid contributions from the other weapons.

Slay,Bentley,Palmer,Justice could be below average and the Lions could still win 10-11 games. And if they are below average or terrible, someone else (younger 2nd year player) could step in at OLB, CB. Or Hilliard/Fox at RT if they don't win the job in the first place.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I hope you're some weird genius that formulated that the Lions will 10-11 games. I just don't see it..

 

[LKP]

I hope you're some weird genius that formulated that the Lions will 10-11 games. I just don't see it..

If they can win 10 with Gosder inconsistent in 2011, Wright/Berry at CB/nickel followed by Alphonso Smith at nickel for 6 games and Durant(liability in coverage)/Carpenter. Those positions probably don't matter that much.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If they can win 10 with Gosder inconsistent in 2011, Wright/Berry at CB/nickel followed by Alphonso Smith at nickel for 6 games and Durant(liability in coverage)/Carpenter. Those positions probably don't matter that much.

Why are you going back to 2011. Last year they won 4. Teams know Detroit is one dimensional and by that I mean CJ. What's changed? Are we suddenly going to be able to run the ball and not throw it 650 times?

 

[LKP]

Why are you going back to 2011. Last year they won 4. Teams know Detroit is one dimensional and by that I mean CJ. What's changed? Are we suddenly going to be able to run the ball and not throw it 650 times?

Burleson, Pettigrew and Broyles can be productive. Bush is a huge upgrade at RB. They are not one dimensional.

Last year they had more injuries and bad turnover differential. And the DE play was terrible unexpectedly. That has all been fixed plus other improvements (Bush, Quin, Warford, Slay)

2011 shows the cores true potential plus they have significantly upgraded from the weaknesses of the 2011 team.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Burleson, Pettigrew and Broyles can be productive. Bush is a huge upgrade at RB. They are not one dimensional.

Last year they had more injuries and bad turnover differential. And the DE play was terrible unexpectedly. That has all been fixed plus other improvements (Bush, Quin, Warford, Slay)

2011 shows the cores true potential plus they have significantly upgraded from the weaknesses of the 2011 team.

You ever thought teams learned how to play against Detroit? Going 4-5 after the bye in 2011 and then 4 wins in 2012. Its not like '11 was a great year, it was a great 1st half. 7 games.

 

[LKP]

You ever thought teams learned how to play against Detroit? Going 4-5 after the bye in 2011 and then 4 wins in 2012. Its not like '11 was a great year, it was a great 1st half. 7 games.

6-2 start to 2011 was great. Not a coincidence Lions were very healthy(missing LeShoure/Fairley, Durant 3 games when most needed against running teams, Berry/spievey 1 game still) during that start. When Mayhew gets the majority of guys he picked on all cylinders they were winners and really compettive in 2 losses against playoff teams.

Lions finished 4-4 in 2011 due to bad secondary play with Houston, Berry and Delmas hurt. They figured out they could beat Eric Wright, Alphonso Smith and Chris Harris. Whoopidty do. Best and LeShoure were hurt but it still didn't stop Stafford/Calvin/Burleson/Young/Pettigrew/Scheffler from putting up major points. 2 of the bad losses were with Stafford on a broken finger turning the ball over like crazy to the Bears/Packers. Not impressed NFL.

2012
Lions played well enough offensively and defensivley for a 6-2 to start 2012. 4 special teams TDs killed that, plain and simple. 3 second half redzone turnovers at the Bears killed that too on a good defensive performance. 2011 we got crushed by the Bears, Lions should have won in 2012 if they didn't shoot themselves in the foot in the redzone. The turnovers weren't even forced by Chicago. They were in back and forth games against St. Louis, Philly and Seattle yes and did enough to win. Not a coincidence Delmas was healthy for 2 of them. San Fran was better than us, especially a healthy San Fran and a Lions team misssing Best/LeShoure, Houston, Bentley and Delmas.Thankfully we don't play them this year.

2012 0-8 finish. The 0-2 start was disappointing at Minnesota and Green Bay at home in a close game loss with 2 minutes left followed by Young's insanity. Peterson ran wild in the 4th, Wright beat backup Coleman deep(no Delmas and the deep ball reign) and the Viking TEs killed the Lions LBs for a drive. Pack Finley beat Tulloch, Cobb beat Lacey/Silva and they got a very lucky pick 6. Impressed by Peterson, not Green Bay

Last 6. Burleson, Young for 6 games, Broyles for 5 games and Pettigrew for 4 at the same time kind of kills your offense. Not a coincidence we didn't score much against Cards and Falcons, 20 at the Pack and 24 agaisnt the Bears. 30 some points against Texans and Colts with Broyles/Pettgirew then just Pettigrew along with Calvin of course.

0-8 is not even close to what this team is on all cylinders. And now with the RB/safety insurance in Detroit in Quin/Bush, the weapons healthy(Burleson,Broyles/Pettigrew), Stafford hopefully better in the redzone, this team has no excuse not to be a winner again.

 

[mhughes0021]

dude....this isnt rocket science. 2011 was an anomoly and it wasnt even a solid anomoly. It was a lucky as hell, pull out wins out of our ass, thank you for sucking tony romo, thank you for not throwing the flag on that webb facemask, anomoly.

2012 the writing was on the wall early. After 4 games i correctly predicted a 4 win season. Ill find the thread if you need me to.

2013 Youd be wise not to drink too much kool aid until you see how the O and D lines come together. Mayhew did a good job filling other holes but if the dline cant protect the 2nd tier lb corps we have then our defense is not going to hold up very well. Similarly if the new look o line cant protect when we throw the ball 650 times a year then we could easily be looking at more struggles on the offensive side of the ball as well.

For the optimistic view reggie should make more big plays for us in the offense than Lecrap has. Defensively Ansah could end up being a monster which we will need him to be cause i dont see much production comming from the other end position.

The "excuse" for not being better this year is very clear if every other team in our own division end up beign better than us again. We need to start winning divisional games if we even want to sniff .500 this year.

 

[zyxt9]

Justice was solid last year. Watch some Indy games and get back to me. Gosder was good in pass blocking. Good competition at RT, not an upgrade over Gosder with Justice. But I'll take solid competition and Justice's price over what Gosder got. Plus I'll take Justice's starting experience over Hilliards and Fox's as well. It's not always the simple he got let walk in free agency(not cut) so he must suck.

LKP, when you stop sucking Mayhew's Dick, get back to me.

Depth is a big problem across the entire team, but that's ok, lions players hardly ever get hurt and when they do there is no noticeable differnce in play.

 

[cheeno]

lkp, never, get back to me.

Depth is a big problem across the entire team, but that's ok, lions players hardly ever get hurt and when they do there is no noticeable differnce in play.

fify

 

[cheeno]

Justice sucks but he's better than an orange traffic cone, slightly. Cheeno out!

 

[LKP]

LKP, when you stop sucking Mayhew's Dick, get back to me.

Depth is a big problem across the entire team, but that's ok, lions players hardly ever get hurt and when they do there is no noticeable differnce in play.

Lions have depth at QB2, workhorse RB, TE, WR2,slot WR RT, OLB(not a big drop down and you can plug and play OLBs IMO), ILB(move Levy),CB, run stopping DT and Safety.

Depth could either way at G/C(Nagy/Austin) and DE(Taylor/Young).

Lions don't have depth at WR1, LT, speed RB, pass rush DT, QB3(Moore sucks)

And they don't have a good experienced speed deep WR or return man.

 

[LKP]

dude....this isnt rocket science. 2011 was an anomoly and it wasnt even a solid anomoly. It was a lucky as hell, pull out wins out of our ass, thank you for sucking tony romo, thank you for not throwing the flag on that webb facemask, anomoly.

2012 the writing was on the wall early. After 4 games i correctly predicted a 4 win season. Ill find the thread if you need me to.

2013 Youd be wise not to drink too much kool aid until you see how the O and D lines come together. Mayhew did a good job filling other holes but if the dline cant protect the 2nd tier lb corps we have then our defense is not going to hold up very well. Similarly if the new look o line cant protect when we throw the ball 650 times a year then we could easily be looking at more struggles on the offensive side of the ball as well.

For the optimistic view reggie should make more big plays for us in the offense than Lecrap has. Defensively Ansah could end up being a monster which we will need him to be cause i dont see much production comming from the other end position.

The "excuse" for not being better this year is very clear if every other team in our own division end up beign better than us again. We need to start winning divisional games if we even want to sniff .500 this year.

2011 was not an anomaly. It's what happens when the Lions stay relatively healthy with Mayhew as the GM.

Reiff and Hilliard/Fox can do what Backus/Gosder did. Gosder was inconsistent in 2011 and Backus was atrocious in run blocking last year and did give up good number of hits and hurries. Peterman blew in pass protection. Reiff, the RTs and Warford could easily be upgrades or match what they did in 2011/2012.

DE, yes it's an unknown. But again the bar is set very low. Lions had one average and 3 terrible DES last year. 3 average DEs with average run defense is a huge upgrade. Ansah, Jones, Young, Taylor have the talent to make that happen.

I agree the Lions need to start winning division games. They outplayed opponents in 5 of the 6 division games last year IMO. They can win 3-4 division games. Won't be easy, every game is a battle but they have the talent to do it.