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[Mitchrapp]

That.....or nobody comes in with a decent deal. Seems like a no brainer that Indy or Washington will offer decent packages.....but it's not a given. Teams will have to figure out cap situations with an actual reduction this year.

If I'm the Lions.....my #1 option is if Miami truly IS interested in taking offers for Tua....Stafford for Tua and their later 1st rounder?

I'd do that. It's not as if Tua was bad this year. Miami Oline was AWFUL and they had no running game.

I'd do that too. Easy.

 

[LKP]

Two 1sts.

Otherwise

One 1st only or two, makes pick 7 a QB, so then its a later pick on another position. So don't know if it makes us better

 

[Mitchrapp]

Two 1sts.

Otherwise

One 1st only or two, makes pick 7 a QB, so then its a later pick on another position. So don't know if it makes us better

I don't think making is better in year 1 is happening. We need 2-3 drafts.

 

[mhughes0021]

Two 1sts.

Otherwise

One 1st only or two, makes pick 7 a QB, so then its a later pick on another position. So don't know if it makes us better

You use his $25 million to make you better at that point.

 

[LKP]

You use his $25 million to make you better at that point.

14 mil in cap aavings

 

[mhughes0021]

14 mil in cap aavings

Thats 2 starters on your defense. Pays back much more than your average qb that leads you to being the 2nd worst team in the league every year.

 

[LKP]

Thats 2 starters on your defense. Pays back much more than your average qb that leads you to being the 2nd worst team in the league every year.

Stafford is a top qb. Lions had the space tbey chose to use it on bad defensive players and draft bad defense too

Trufant, shelton, williams, jones, harris, tavai, ragland

 

[boogerlovejoy]

14 mil in cap savings

But its also $20M in 2022. You can work any contract out to have a very small cap hit year one and a decent hit year two.....so that $14M and $20M could be used to sign two top tier starters or 3-4 solid defensive players.

You can pay a QB $30M+ a year.....but only if you draft well. If you don't.....that money becomes a giant strain on the team and you'll lose more good players that you bring in over the course of 2-3 years. But there are ways around it

Look at Mahomes deal. It's team friendly in 2021 & 2022, $24M and $31M hits for the best QB in the NFL, and they can get out of it EASILY in 2023. Meaning that he will have to restructure it every other year or so. It's the single most misleading contract in sports.....its a wildly team friendly 3 year extension that has minimum base salaries, small dead cap numbers after 2 years and massive roster bonuses......making it very easy to restructure. It will be the basis of all other big QB contracts from here on out.

 

[LKP]

But its also $20M in 2022. You can work any contract out to have a very small cap hit year one and a decent hit year two.....so that $14M and $20M could be used to sign two top tier starters or 3-4 solid defensive players.

You can pay a QB $30M+ a year.....but only if you draft well. If you don't.....that money becomes a giant strain on the team and you'll lose more good players that you bring in over the course of 2-3 years. But there are ways around it

Look at Mahomes deal. It's team friendly in 2021 & 2022, $24M and $31M hits for the best QB in the NFL, and they can get out of it EASILY in 2023. Meaning that he will have to restructure it every other year or so. It's the single most misleading contract in sports.....its a wildly team friendly 3 year extension that has minimum base salaries, small dead cap numbers after 2 years and massive roster bonuses......making it very easy to restructure. It will be the basis of all other big QB contracts from here on out.

Stafford was team friendly too but just at end of his deal. See 2019, 2020 cap hits. Lions could extend him 3 years and have lower cap hits in 2021, 2022 than he currently has. But Stafford wisely wants to move on instead of another rebuild. Good choice by Stafford

Lions can create 28 million by cutting other players. They have 8 million. 36 million is plenty at 180 cap. If cap 198 they would have 54 million even with keeping Stafford. Money/cap space isn't the problem. The problem is picking the right players. Plus the draft is still the draft. Got to hit on at least 3 players there plus supporting players. And now we have another major hole at QB. Better get two 1sts for Stafford or you screwed yourself big time.

All you owner and history Lions buffs. Why don't you look into how long it took the Lions to find a quality QB like Stafford. Basically their entire history was shit QBs until Stafford came here and finally gave them a good QB

 

[boogerlovejoy]

All you owner and history Lions buffs. Why don't you look into how long it took the Lions to find a quality QB like Stafford. Basically their entire history was shit QBs until Stafford came here and finally gave them a good QB

What point are you trying to prove here? The team was so inept at the position for so long that it took 50+ years to get a good QB?

That's not a good thing, genius. It's terrible. It means we have tried and failed and tried and failed over and over to address the single most important position on the field. It's par for the course for the Ford family's tenure....bad executive hires leading to bad GM and HC hires leading to bad drafts.....ect.....ect......

The three best players that have played for the Lions in my lifetime were #1, #2 and #3 picks.....meaning the Lions haven't really done anything but fall into a few good players over the years.

Stafford was clearly the top QB coming out and we desperately needed a QB. And on the old CBA QB was the only pick worth making for that kind of money. Not a genius pick.

CJ was hands down the best player in the draft and Millen ALMOST fucked that up, too. No brainer.

Barry was only a Lion because of the idiot Packers brass thought that Brent Fullwood was a good back and they needed an OL more......and the Tony Mandarich Sports Illustrated hype train was in high gear. Again, easy pick.

A very high percentage of the rest of their picks since 1989 have been below average picks or total failures. This franchise REAKS of mismanagement from the top down.

 

[tomdalton22]

Stafford was team friendly too but just at end of his deal. See 2019, 2020 cap hits. Lions could extend him 3 years and have lower cap hits in 2021, 2022 than he currently has. But Stafford wisely wants to move on instead of another rebuild. Good choice by Stafford

Lions can create 28 million by cutting other players. They have 8 million. 36 million is plenty at 180 cap. If cap 198 they would have 54 million even with keeping Stafford. Money/cap space isn't the problem. The problem is picking the right players. Plus the draft is still the draft. Got to hit on at least 3 players there plus supporting players. And now we have another major hole at QB. Better get two 1sts for Stafford or you screwed yourself big time.

All you owner and history Lions buffs. Why don't you look into how long it took the Lions to find a quality QB like Stafford. Basically their entire history was shit QBs until Stafford came here and finally gave them a good QB

Again, your man crush on Matt is amusing. You are assuming that it was all his idea to move on. My guess is it was very mutual. Like when a girlfriend you really don't like comes to you and wants to break up. She says, let's see other people, and you quickly agree. It's the best feeling in the world. That's what this breakup is.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Again, your man crush on Matt is amusing. You are assuming that it was all his idea to move on. My guess is it was very mutual. Like when a girlfriend you really don't like comes to you and wants to break up. She says, let's see other people, and you quickly agree. It's the best feeling in the world. That's what this breakup is.

And even then I heard Stafford would have come back if Bevell was retained. I get it....he didn't want to go through learning another system for a team likely headed for another 4-6 win season.

I think the Lions realized that trading him now was really the only logical move. Still young enough to be traded for....Lions can afford to get out of the deal without much penalty. They don't risk an injury to him in 2021 killing any trade value he might have had after next season.

It was mutual. I believe that.

 

[mhughes0021]

And even then I heard Stafford would have come back if Bevell was retained. I get it....he didn't want to go through learning another system for a team likely headed for another 4-6 win season.

I think the Lions realized that trading him now was really the only logical move. Still young enough to be traded for....Lions can afford to get out of the deal without much penalty. They don't risk an injury to him in 2021 killing any trade value he might have had after next season.

It was mutual. I believe that.

I believe it was driven by Matt prior to the GM and HC hires. Holmes and DC were probably told prior to them coming on board which makes sense by the way they answered the questions from media in regards to Stafford.

 

[LKP]

Matt made the call 100%. They at least look into keeping him with no decision made yet if he didn't say anything

GTFO with the mutual stuff.

And if we don't get a good offer. Well then he's back too

 

[Mitchrapp]

Teams don't say "sure we'll accommodate you" if they weren't already thinking about it themselves. It was mutual.

 

[tomdalton22]

Teams don't say "sure we'll accommodate you" if they weren't already thinking about it themselves. It was mutual.

of course that's the way it happened. If they wanted to keep him they would have done everything in their power to do so.

LKP is an idiot.

 

[mhughes0021]

of course that's the way it happened. If they wanted to keep him they would have done everything in their power to do so.

LKP is an idiot.

Or shiela is?...thats not a reach.

 

[detroit1811]

The more I read about Trey Lance, the more I am leaning his way. Sure the guy is raw, but he has everything you look for in a QB. He doesn't seem to be a prima donna and will bust his ass to be the best QB he can be. Its early yet, but as of today he is my pick. Sign a QB like Fitzpatrick or Winston to compete and let the best man play in 2021.

 

[kdp1980]

If we draft a QB in the mid rounds, who would you guys want? Pickett and Jamie Newman stand out to me

 

[LKP]

The GM and HC didn't make the decision. The people who are letting him go know he is a really great QB. As does the GM and HC. But Stafford is making them trade him and they feel for the guy giving the teams around him. It doesn't make sense to have a disgruntled QB in a rebuild. Its a new start so logical time to move him

IN NO WAY DOES THIS TRADE THAT STAFFORD INIATED MEAN ANYONE IN THE LIONS ORGANIZATION THINKS HE IS AN AVERAGE OR BAD PLAYER