Lions anti-homer thought processes

[mhughes0021]

Calvin never had huge years until 2011.
Tate and Burleson produced with him.

Stafford does his job on his completion. I so hate it's gotten to the point where almost any completion now is just written off as all WR and not Stafford doing a good job. It's ridiculous. It's like you guys black out the throwing part to completions and only remember the misses.

and you throw out the argument that hes not accurate because you blame all the drops on the wr. he was like 40% completion thru 3 quarters last week....that's not good and that's not doing his job "on his completion."

 

[brewer229]

Calvin never had huge years until 2011.
Tate and Burleson produced with him.

Stafford does his job on his completion. I so hate it's gotten to the point where almost any completion now is just written off as all WR and not Stafford doing a good job. It's ridiculous. It's like you guys black out the throwing part to completions and only remember the misses.

First off it's hilarious coming from you. Didn't think I would see the day you complained about someone skewing stats or only looking at one side of the argument.

2008 CJ put good numbers. With DanO, Culpepper, and Kitna.

Most people here agree Stafford is somewhere around mid-teens (or higher) as far as where he ranks among current QBs. I haven't seen anyone say he is the worst, should be a backup, or we would be better with anyone else.

That said, what throws has he made that most other QBs can not? What reads has he made that most other QBs can not?

The only one in the past few games I can think of is the one to Tate starting the final drive against the Falcons. It had to be a rocket throw to complete and it was. It took great arm strength to make. That is staffords best quality, has a strong arm.

That also works against him, look at the 1st drive of the game on the 3rd down throw to the sideline. Simply overthrew the WR because he threw a rocket. The next (second) drive for Falcons Matt Ryan faced the exact same throw and put it perfectly onto the WR for a nice completion.

I can think of a number of catches that CJ has made that most WR cant. I can think of a few plays Tate has made that a lot wouldn't.

 

[LKP]

Calvin did not have elite numbers prior to 2011.

There were drops in the Falcons game. And slips (int). With 30/40 throws completion % can swing big time with 1-2 completions. Stafford made a ton of clutch throws. The throw to Tate for the TD and the throw to Tate on the last drive.

Stafford had some throwaways, spikes, batted balls and drops. That skews the completion % especially when you are at only 25 throws. 1 completion or incomplete (that could be the WR) is a 4% swing. He had misses to Tate in end zone and Fuller on 2nd down before the pick and Kellen Davis. But he more than made up for it. I judge him based on a full game. GTFO with these 3 Quarters bull.

 

[LKP]

4 thrown away, 1 hit as thrown, 1 batted pass, 3 spikes and 3 drops in the Falcons game.

Stafford did his job and led a great comeback.Stop ignoring the great throws to Tate or Fuller or Ross or the Riddick TD. He did a good job. He had a 94 rating on total aimed passes. 24/39 325 yards 2 TDs and 1 int. And the int was a slip.

You ignore great completions by Stafford every game. Plain and simple.

 

[tomdalton22]

Calvin did not have elite numbers prior to 2011.

There were drops in the Falcons game. And slips (int). With 30/40 throws completion % can swing big time with 1-2 completions. Stafford made a ton of clutch throws. The throw to Tate for the TD and the throw to Tate on the last drive.

Stafford had some throwaways, spikes, batted balls and drops. That skews the completion % especially when you are at only 25 throws. 1 completion or incomplete (that could be the WR) is a 4% swing. He had misses to Tate in end zone and Fuller on 2nd down before the pick and Kellen Davis. But he more than made up for it. I judge him based on a full game. GTFO with these 3 Quarters bull.

Calvin had elite numbers in 2008, 78 rec, 17.1 YPC, 12 TDs (the year before Stafford came) then in Stafford's rookie year his numbers were bad. 67 rec/14.7 YPC, 5 TDs. Then, the year Stafford got injured his numbers were similar in terms of YPC but his TDs went back up to 12.

 

[brewer229]

Calvin did not have elite numbers prior to 2011.

There were drops in the Falcons game. And slips (int). With 30/40 throws completion % can swing big time with 1-2 completions. Stafford made a ton of clutch throws. The throw to Tate for the TD and the throw to Tate on the last drive.

Stafford had some throwaways, spikes, batted balls and drops. That skews the completion % especially when you are at only 25 throws. 1 completion or incomplete (that could be the WR) is a 4% swing. He had misses to Tate in end zone and Fuller on 2nd down before the pick and Kellen Davis. But he more than made up for it. I judge him based on a full game. GTFO with these 3 Quarters bull.

2008 top 5 in yards and #1 in TDs, that's pretty good
2010 top 10 in yards #2 in TDs, that's pretty good too.

 

[LKP]

Calvin didn't have the yardage and the NFC North was junk in 2008.

2009 Calvin missed some games, Stafford was hurt some games and he's a rookie on a bad 2009 team. He gets a rookie pass.

Calvin took a big jump in 2011-2013 against tougher competition. Stafford is a big reason why.

 

[tomdalton22]

2008 top 5 in yards and #1 in TDs, that's pretty good
2010 top 10 in yards #2 in TDs, that's pretty good too.

2008...no Stafford
2010...Stafford out most of the year

hhhmmmm

 

[LKP]

Calvin clearly does more with Stafford. Even when he's playing hurt in 2012/2013. 400 more yards +. Up tick in TDs. They pass more because Stafford is awesome and converts first downs better than Hill and the 08 junk.

 

[LKP]

He broke the receiving record in 2012. Huge years in 2011/2013. His best years.

 

[brewer229]

4 thrown away, 1 hit as thrown, 1 batted pass, 3 spikes and 3 drops in the Falcons game.

Stafford did his job and led a great comeback.Stop ignoring the great throws to Tate or Fuller or Ross or the Riddick TD. He did a good job. He had a 94 rating on total aimed passes. 24/39 325 yards 2 TDs and 1 int. And the int was a slip.

You ignore great completions by Stafford every game. Plain and simple.

If you describe the TD to Riddick as great that explains a lot on how you rate players.
Describe what stafford did that was so great on that throw that other QBs couldn't. Since you describe it as great I assume that means most couldn't do it in your mind.

 

[LKP]

2011-2013 are clearly his best years

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10447/calvin-johnson

2011 he had similar 2008 targets but 18 more receptions and a better YPC.

 

[LKP]

2012 receiving record and tackled inside the 5 a gillion times.

Another monster year last year and his best YPC. Again on similar targets and had more receptions than 2008. And he was hurt in 2013. If Calvin didn't have a drop problem it would have been even more of a monster year. And that monster year was in 14 games not 16 like 2008. Even more impressive.

 

[mhughes0021]

4 thrown away, 1 hit as thrown, 1 batted pass, 3 spikes and 3 drops in the Falcons game.

Stafford did his job and led a great comeback.Stop ignoring the great throws to Tate or Fuller or Ross or the Riddick TD. He did a good job. He had a 94 rating on total aimed passes. 24/39 325 yards 2 TDs and 1 int. And the int was a slip.

You ignore great completions by Stafford every game. Plain and simple.

all that and if Riddick doesn't have a miracle catch with 1 hand on an awful thrown ball to a wide open receiver....the game is over and we lose.

 

[LKP]

If you describe the TD to Riddick as great that explains a lot on how you rate players.
Describe what stafford did that was so great on that throw that other QBs couldn't. Since you describe it as great I assume that means most couldn't do it in your mind.

Great read, great fake and throw right on the money. He just made it look easy.

 

[LKP]

all that and if Riddick doesn't have a miracle catch with 1 hand on an awful thrown ball to a wide open receiver....the game is over and we lose.

No we don't. First he led him. Riddick should get to the spot. Secondly it's just an incomplete pass and he could easily have made another big one like he threw to Tate. You are assuming we would lose.

 

[brewer229]

Great read, great fake and throw right on the money. He just made it look easy.

It was easy, that's why it looked easy.

Congrats to him for finding the right read and completing the pass. If we could get that out of him more often we wouldn't need to comeback against teams like Atlanta in the 4th quarter.

 

[LKP]

It wasn't easy. It was hard but he made it look easy. The fake sold it.

Tons of drops, bps, throw aways in that game. Give him his weapons back. Big second half.

 

[mhughes0021]

No we don't. First he led him. Riddick should get to the spot. Secondly it's just an incomplete pass and he could easily have made another big one like he threw to Tate. You are assuming we would lose.

ahh yes....so now a completely inaccurate pass is all the WRs fault. youre ridiculous lol. Stafford is lucky the defense stepped up this year or wed be a 3 win team. maybe 2 win team. Hes done nothing to earn 6 wins.

 

[tomdalton22]

2012 receiving record and tackled inside the 5 a gillion times.

Another monster year last year and his best YPC. Again on similar targets and had more receptions than 2008. And he was hurt in 2013. If Calvin didn't have a drop problem it would have been even more of a monster year. And that monster year was in 14 games not 16 like 2008. Even more impressive.

205 targets in 2012!

Here are the NFL leaders in targets

2013 - 184
2011 - 181
2010 - 179
2009 - 170
2008 - 183
2007 - 170
2006 - 178


His best YPC was 2013 at 17.8 but his second best was 17.1 in 2008 before Stafford.