Lions anti-homer thought processes

[mhughes0021]

And Stafford has attempts because he gets first downs. They put the ball in his hands. He moves the ball. Good player

one of the main reasons we even have 4 wins this year is our TOP has been great. Stafford does get some of the credit....but our defense gets more. Extending drives you kind of blow out of proportion because you talk so much about it....I think were like 14th in 3rd down rate.

edit...were 11th now. couple tenths better than 14th.

 

[LKP]

Third down rate is down and distance. It's incredible we are even 14th with this run game and sacks given. Stafford gets us the four or five drives you need every game. Even without run game and protection and Calvin out or decoy. And we have six should be seven wins to show for it.

After 2012/2013, stafford deserves having the number one defense in the league more than any other QB.

 

[tomdalton22]

You say excuses, but many other top QBs routinely have multiple things going for them.

Brady - Excellent WR corps for most of his career, defense some years, good to great run game usually, and same coaching staff and system.

Peyton Manning - Great offensive line, WR corps, same coaching staff mostly and system. Run game off and on...defense usually subpar.

Aaron Rodgers - Run game off and on, defense off and on. Great receiving core and offensive line usually hurt...and coaching staff and system the same.

Drew Brees - Same system, coaching staff every year. WR Corps golden. Defense more poor than good, offensive line usually good, and running game pretty good.

These are probably the top 4 QBs of the last decade. Lets now give them the Stafford "excuses"

For a real life example. Tom Brady last year. Sure he had the coaching staff and the system that has always been there. Defense actually gave up 3 less pts per game than in 2012, but it still was a poor defense. And had a top 10 run offense. But, his WR corps were subpar and injury plagued. His offensive line played poorly and had injuries. He in return had a very "stafford type" season. His accuracy dipped 5%, and his QB rating dropped about 8-13 points down to the mid to upper 80s.

Now this may not be an actual phenomena but it could be.

Take Aaron Rodgers. Take away Jordy Nelson and Cobb...I think he may do worse. Just a thought.

The main question with Stafford and these "excuses" is when has he had a full year where he had at least 3 of the following

- A good Coaching Staff and offensive system that has been in place for a number of years.
- At least two real good receiving options that play the whole year
- A top 10 Running Game
- A top 10 Defense
- A good offensive line that aren't plagued by injuries.

Because looking at the better QBs in the league, they seem to need at least 3 of these things to do well.

Did LKP hack your account?

Comparing what Brady had last year is crazy. He had NOBODY last year. Stafford has had the best WR in the NFL on his team every year he has been in the league. I also feel you are over rating some of the WR corps that Brees and Brady had.

 

[LKP]

Brady had a good run game and top defense. 29 turnovers forced from his defense. 2nd in Rush tds with 19. And played in shit AFc east. Stafford would have been lucky to have that in 2013

 

[mhughes0021]

And we have six should be seven wins to show for it.

After 2012/2013, stafford deserves having the number one defense in the league more than any other QB.

we have 6....should have 4. I predicted 10 wins this year and when you asked me why I said all those unlucky things that happened to us in the years past....we'll finaly get luck on our side a couple games. And that has happened....were not any better as a TEAM than we have been in the past. Our defense is better...and our offense and ST are worse.

 

[brewer229]

You say excuses, but many other top QBs routinely have multiple things going for them.

Brady - Excellent WR corps for most of his career, defense some years, good to great run game usually, and same coaching staff and system.

Peyton Manning - Great offensive line, WR corps, same coaching staff mostly and system. Run game off and on...defense usually subpar.

Aaron Rodgers - Run game off and on, defense off and on. Great receiving core and offensive line usually hurt...and coaching staff and system the same.

Drew Brees - Same system, coaching staff every year. WR Corps golden. Defense more poor than good, offensive line usually good, and running game pretty good.

These are probably the top 4 QBs of the last decade. Lets now give them the Stafford "excuses"

For a real life example. Tom Brady last year. Sure he had the coaching staff and the system that has always been there. Defense actually gave up 3 less pts per game than in 2012, but it still was a poor defense. And had a top 10 run offense. But, his WR corps were subpar and injury plagued. His offensive line played poorly and had injuries. He in return had a very "stafford type" season. His accuracy dipped 5%, and his QB rating dropped about 8-13 points down to the mid to upper 80s.

Now this may not be an actual phenomena but it could be.

Take Aaron Rodgers. Take away Jordy Nelson and Cobb...I think he may do worse. Just a thought.

The main question with Stafford and these "excuses" is when has he had a full year where he had at least 3 of the following

- A good Coaching Staff and offensive system that has been in place for a number of years.
- At least two real good receiving options that play the whole year
- A top 10 Running Game
- A top 10 Defense
- A good offensive line that aren't plagued by injuries.

Because looking at the better QBs in the league, they seem to need at least 3 of these things to do well.

Who were all these great WRs Brady had?

Rodgers...Lost Greg Jennings, James Jones, Finley. Than Nelson became the best rodgers had and suddenly he becomes great.

Isn't it amazing how all these WRs appear with these great QBs. What happens once they leave?

2012 Suddenly that Colts team wasn't so good.

 

[LKP]

we have 6....should have 4. I predicted 10 wins this year and when you asked me why I said all those unlucky things that happened to us in the years past....we'll finaly get luck on our side a couple games. And that has happened....were not any better as a TEAM than we have been in the past. Our defense is better...and our offense and ST are worse.

It's not luck. It's earned. We should have 7. We earned 7.

We are a better team. Better coaching and defense. And we'll get the weapons back and dominate.

 

[sggatecl]

It's not luck. It's earned. We should have 7. We earned 7.

We are a better team. Better coaching and defense. And we'll get the weapons back and dominate.

So when we gift a win to Buffalo it counts as an "earned win". When New Orleans/Atlanta gift us a win it ALSO counts as an "earned win".

Off season LKP is back and in full throttle. Your trolling never ceases to amaze me.

 

[LKP]

So when we gift a win to Buffalo it counts as an "earned win". When New Orleans/Atlanta gift us a win it ALSO counts as an "earned win".

Off season LKP is back and in full throttle. Your trolling never ceases to amaze me.

We earned the wins with late game domination and Falcons entire second half. Buffalo game we just needed to be normal with FG kicking. 0/3 is absolute crap. Earned win by everyone who is still on this Lions team. You know we should be 7-1

 

[sggatecl]

We earned the wins with late game domination and Falcons entire second half. Buffalo game we just needed to be normal with FG kicking. 0/3 is absolute crap. Earned win by everyone who is still on this Lions team. You know we should be 7-1

We should be 8-0. Carolina is not a good team. But the Lions didn't "earn" 8-0. They earned 6-2.

 

[LKP]

We should be 8-0. Carolina is not a good team. But the Lions didn't "earn" 8-0. They earned 6-2.

Carolina truly beat us. Their defense was on and Lions fumbled twice. We are a true 7-1 win but I'll take 6-2

 

[mhughes0021]

We earned the wins with late game domination and Falcons entire second half. Buffalo game we just needed to be normal with FG kicking. 0/3 is absolute crap. Earned win by everyone who is still on this Lions team. You know we should be 7-1

should be 5-3. ill give you the win we should have made the FGs. subtract the 2 pathetic performances vs atl and saints. they gave us the game with a multitude of gift calls, interceptions, julio jones cant catch a screen pass, etc etc etc. Team sucked both of those games....if that's what a playoff team looks like wed be the worst playoff team in nfl history.

 

[mhughes0021]

It's not luck. It's earned. We should have 7. We earned 7.

We are a better team. Better coaching and defense. And we'll get the weapons back and dominate.

coaching is awful. Caldwell has now injured our starting rb and the best wr in the game by bringing them back too fast (also brought Riddick back too fast to get reinjured). He fucking blows at clock management at the end of half and game.

Lombardi is terrible.

Austin is the only coach that has shown any improvement over last year. And hes the only reason were at the top of the division.

 

[LKP]

Caldwell has this team in the right mindset.

Lombardi is fine the Oline needs to play better and the weapons need to get healthy.

Injuries are not Caldwells fault. It's on the doctors and just luck of staying healthy. Violent sport

Austin is great.

 

[LKP]

should be 5-3. ill give you the win we should have made the FGs. subtract the 2 pathetic performances vs atl and saints. they gave us the game with a multitude of gift calls, interceptions, julio jones cant catch a screen pass, etc etc etc. Team sucked both of those games....if that's what a playoff team looks like wed be the worst playoff team in nfl history.

It was not gift calls. It was Lions fucking dominance. Falcons were holding our Oline all day from the second level. Lions Dline dominated and got the hold call too. Every call was legit and due to Lions dominance. Falcons lucky Fuller slipped. And the 2 point conversion we got screwed by the refs.

You need to open your damn eyes when you watch these games. No gift calls in Lions favor. Earned calls through Lions dominance.

 

[LKP]

And Saints game. Tate made great play, Quin made great play and Stafford/Fuller made great plays. Bush was interfered with. It was obvious.

 

[mhughes0021]

Caldwell has this team in the right mindset.

Lombardi is fine the Oline needs to play better and the weapons need to get healthy.

Injuries are not Caldwells fault. It's on the doctors and just luck of staying healthy. Violent sport

Austin is great.

inuries are caldwells fault. the fucking moron was playing the best wr in football with a high ankle sprain.....how fucking moronic do you have to be?

 

[mhughes0021]

It was not gift calls. It was Lions fucking dominance. Falcons were holding our Oline all day from the second level. Lions Dline dominated and got the hold call too. Every call was legit and due to Lions dominance. Falcons lucky Fuller slipped. And the 2 point conversion we got screwed by the refs.

You need to open your damn eyes when you watch these games. No gift calls in Lions favor. Earned calls through Lions dominance.

youre fucking nuts lol. that is all.

 

[LKP]

inuries are caldwells fault. the fucking moron was playing the best wr in football with a high ankle sprain.....how fucking moronic do you have to be?

Calvin is tough. It is not Caldwells fault. It's bullshit Calvin got hurt in the first place.

 

[LKP]

youre fucking nuts lol. that is all.

It's Lion dominance. And last year you vehemently disagreed that you could be screwed by the refs when it was clear the Lions were now. Now with the Lions winning somehow we are getting gifts. We earned 7 wins so far this year. End of story.