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Lions Gaff's in Suh negotiations.

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Detroit Lions GM Martin Mayhew breaks down what went wrong with the Ndamukong Suh negotiations.
PHOENIX -- Martin Mayhew was optimistic the Detroit Lions would re-sign Ndamukong Suh.

That was true last year, when Detroit began negotiating an extension in late February. That was true last summer, when Detroit elected to table negotiations at the start of free agency. That was true in January, when Detroit resumed negotiations.

That was true around the start of the negotiating window in free agency, when Detroit offered Suh a $102 million deal that would have made him the highest-paid defensive player ever.

He was confident -- right up until the Sunday before the start of free agency, when president Tom Lewand sent him a text while he driving home from church.

Suh was headed to Miami.

The defensive tackle signed a landmark $114 million deal with the Dolphins -- $59.9 million of which is guaranteed, also a record. That has sent shockwaves through a Lions organization that believed their best defensive player would return.

Mayhew finally opened up Monday about what happened in Detroit's failed pursuit of the superstar defensive lineman.

"I think at every step throughout the process, we made a rational, thoughtful decision to move forward. And then I think it got to a point where, economically, in terms of building a sustainable, quality football team, it didn't make sense," Mayhew said over lunch during the NFL owners meetings at the Arizona Biltmore hotel.

"At that point, we declined to continue to offer more."

The Lions' offer was for about $2 million less in average annual salary, and $2 million less in overall guarantees, which doesn't seem like a lot within the context of a nine-figure deal. But Mayhew said the Lions simply couldn't budge without sacrificing their depth and talent elsewhere on the roster.

"There's a lot of different ways to give somebody $100 million, you know? So a lot of times structure comes into play, and all those things matter," he said. "I know we have some quality players on our team we probably couldn't keep if we had that deal in place."

The Lions could have ensured Suh's return for at least one season, plus given themselves more time to work out a long-term arrangement, had they used the franchise tag on Suh.

They said throughout the process they would consider using the tag if negotiations reached an impasse. But with the deadline looming, Detroit decided to holster the tag and its massive $26.9 million cap hit. (Not to mention the nearly $10 million in dead money that was already on the books.)

It was a move borne out of financial conservatism, as Detroit tries to get its cap management in order after a series of restructures made the payroll top heavy -- and ultimately led to Suh's exit.

"Ever since we did Matthew (Stafford's) contract, whenever that was, we've always been sort of top heavy with a few guys up there," Mayhew said. "The thing about the franchise tag, really, was continuing to kick the can down the road. (We would have had to) restructure deals to make that happen. And we want to get out of that situation at some point. So that didn't make a lot of sense."

The Lions made a series of decisions -- some would call them gaffes -- that paved the way for Suh's departure. That starts with twice restructuring his deal, which blew up the franchise tag number.

They could have negotiated through last season rather than table them. They could have offered him the same $102 million deal a lot sooner, improving their odds that Suh would accept it.

Woulda. Coulda. Shoulda.

The Lions could have done a lot of things differently, and Mayhew readily admits it. But at the same time he does not seem to regret any individual decision the Lions made -- only the eventual outcome they affected.

"There are probably 1,000 things I would do differently," he said. "But you make decisions in real time, with the information you have, and I feel good about every decision we made along the way.

"Anytime you lose a quality player like that, especially in the short term, that is to your detriment. In the long term, I think we're going to be glad we don't have that contract on our books."
 
There had to be something the Lions could have done to get something in return. Draft picks anything..
 
Is it weird that I can hear Mayhew eating throughout this interview?
 
paved the way for Suh's departure. That starts with twice restructuring his deal, which blew up the franchise tag number.

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Does anyone know WHEN that $102 million was offered? I'm guessing that's the number they ultimately reached after a long period of negotiation. If they just happened to bump it up to $102 million when the Miami rumors started, well then that's just pathetic...but I don't know the whole story.
 
Does anyone know WHEN that $102 million was offered? I'm guessing that's the number they ultimately reached after a long period of negotiation. If they just happened to bump it up to $102 million when the Miami rumors started, well then that's just pathetic...but I don't know the whole story.

Seems kind of key doesn't it. I mean if it was last year preseason negotiations that would be one thing. If they didn't anticipate one team was going to jump in at that number they have no business sense. Hell I even I knew he'd get more than $100M the day Watt signed.
 
Yawn, he's gone. Ultimately lioms were right in not offering that contract but wrong in the restructures. Case closed let's move on.
 
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Turn on 105.1. They are talking about it now.

Two years ago, "We will get a deal done with him."

Now: "Happy he's not on the books".
 
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Turn on 105.1. They are talking about it now.

Two years ago, "We will get a deal done with him."

Now: "Happy he's not on the books".

translation:

2 years ago, mayhews a dumbass

now, mayhews still a dumbass
 
Biggest error was moving the 9.7 million into 2015. He is still our 3rd largest cap hit on our team in 2015, even though he is gone. Huge cap hit and nothing in return for it (besides 3rd round pick in 2016).

Hell our cap hit for him in 2015 is the second highest out of all DTs in the league. Between him an Ngata Lions have 2 of the 5 highest paid DTs even though only 1 is actually on the team.
 
Lions have a really good roster without him. Got Ngata and Walker. Great job Mayhew. Great job not overpaying for a greedy 19 per turd. 17 per was the correct offer. Suh going to do what he wants. Fairley had his chances, Walker's time to shine. He earned it with a strong 2014.

Plenty of top 5 defenses without Suh. Lions have a good Dline and great back 7 and a draft still to come. Plus there offense is about to explode with a healthy offensive line again.
 
Your watching too much game film again. Suh was a beast and Ngata is good but not even close to the level of Suh. Walker had some very good stats in a small dose of snaps and that does not translate to Fairley. Fairley was a very good player and Walker is not in his league either. So the Dline took a major hit for 2015. Hopefully they draft a major Dlineman that can perform like Donald which is the guy we should have drafted last year. We need a good OT, OG. and C in the draft this year in order to considered the line being good. Lack of depth and that shitty 2011 draft killed us last year. You seem to ignore the lack.of talent and depth on this team... as usual.
 
Your watching too much game film again. Suh was a beast and Ngata is good but not even close to the level of Suh. Walker had some very good stats in a small dose of snaps and that does not translate to Fairley. Fairley was a very good player and Walker is not in his league either. So the Dline took a major hit for 2015. Hopefully they draft a major Dlineman that can perform like Donald which is the guy we should have drafted last year. We need a good OT, OG. and C in the draft this year in order to considered the line being good. Lack of depth and that shitty 2011 draft killed us last year. You seem to ignore the lack.of talent and depth on this team... as usual.

Ngata is better in run defense and a beast. He will get doubles. Walker can out perform Fairley easily. Just don't get hurt. Walker's chance now. Fairley had his chance and blew it. This Dline is still very good. Ansah is a beast too and Jones and Johnson are solid. Ngata still getting the doubles to free up the others. Back 7 we are very set and have LB and safety depth. DE depth too. Still a draft for DT and CB depth and impact.

Lions have good defensive talent with great coaching and plenty of offensive talent. Lions are in a great position still thanks to Mayhew.
 
Biggest error was moving the 9.7 million into 2015. He is still our 3rd largest cap hit on our team in 2015, even though he is gone. Huge cap hit and nothing in return for it (besides 3rd round pick in 2016).

Hell our cap hit for him in 2015 is the second highest out of all DTs in the league. Between him an Ngata Lions have 2 of the 5 highest paid DTs even though only 1 is actually on the team.

3 million of that was from the option bonus. So he moved 6 million into 2015. Those restrucutres got us very good players (Quin, Levy and Tulloch). And even the guys that didn't work out, Houston/Bush/Avril for instance, those signings in 2013 (Houston/Bush) and the leaving of Avril in 2013 offseason got us Ansah/Slay. If we neve sign Chris Houston, maybe we go Milliner. Think about that and be happy we have Ansah and Slay. The Suh restructures led to Levy, Quin, Tulloch, Ansah (indirectly) and Slay (indirectly). Worth it. So worth it.

Suh for 19 million for one year with no restructures(and no Tulloch, Levy, Quin) or Ngata for 8.5 million with Tulloch, Levy, Quin). Easy choice. Restructures were the correct move. People need to open their eyes and realize that.
 
Lions G.M. Martin Mayhew admits he botched the 2011 draft

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 24, 2015, 6:03 AM EDT
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In the 2011 draft, many teams chose players who are now the cornerstones of their franchises. And then there are the Lions, who didn’t choose a single player in 2011 who’s still on the team in 2015.

Lions General Manager Martin Mayhew knows he did a lousy job in the 2011 draft.

“I think ’11 wasn’t a good draft for us. I didn’t do a good job in ’11,” Mayhew said, via the Detroit News. “I think I was overly aggressive. I learned a lot from that, and our drafts have improved since then.”

Mayhew didn’t answer follow-up questions about how he was “overly aggressive” that year.

“I’m just going to leave it at that,” he said. “You can interpret it how you want to interpret it.”

That may sound like candor from Mayhew, but if anything he’s understating just how badly he botched the 2011 draft. The Lions’ first-round pick, Nick Fairley, is now with the Rams after four up-and-down years with the Lions. The Fairley pick particularly hurts because of the players the Lions could have selected instead. The next three players taken — Robert Quinn, Mike Pouncey and Ryan Kerrigan — have all made Pro Bowls.

The Lions’ second-round pick, Titus Young, was drafted despite some character red flags and was an unmitigated disaster who is now out of the NFL and facing a lengthy prison sentence for a string of arrests. The Lions traded their third- and fourth-round picks to move up and draft Mikel Leshoure, who is out of the league. The Lions’ fifth-round pick, Doug Hogue, is out of the league. The Lions traded their sixth-round pick for Lawrence Jackson, who is now out of the league. The Lions’ seventh-round pick, Johnny Culbreath, was hardly ever in the league — the Lions cut him before he ever played in an NFL game, and no other team picked him up.

With the departure of Ndamukong Suh, the Lions don’t have any players remaining from their 2010 draft class, either. It’s hard to build a winner in the NFL when entire draft classes disappear that quickly, but that’s what happens in Detroit.
 
The last person who botched a draft that bad was Maverick when he killed Goose in a training exercise.
 
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