Lions interested in trading up for Clowney?

[everyoneneedsasmil]

This is a quote from Bill Polian's article about potential trades that could shape the draft:

"Whether it is a team trading up to take Clowney -- we've already heard of rumored interest in him by the Falcons and Lions -- or the Texans keeping the pick to select the pass-rusher, the odds are on Clowney coming off the board first. The latter scenario might be the more interesting of the two."

Now, I'm never against taking a great player, and Clowney is pretty soundly considered the top prospect in the draft. But, would the Lions really give up the necessary picks to move up to 1 just to get him? 4 young stars/potential stars on the D-line sounds awesome in theory, but it may not matter if we don't ever draft quality DBs.

If they think Clowney is the next JJ Watt, Mario Williams, or Julius Peppers, maybe he's worth it. I just don't see it being a viable option for this team to really take a step forward. We need our second/third round picks to contribute too much.

 

[mhughes0021]

This is a quote from Bill Polian's article about potential trades that could shape the draft:

"Whether it is a team trading up to take Clowney -- we've already heard of rumored interest in him by the Falcons and Lions -- or the Texans keeping the pick to select the pass-rusher, the odds are on Clowney coming off the board first. The latter scenario might be the more interesting of the two."

Now, I'm never against taking a great player, and Clowney is pretty soundly considered the top prospect in the draft. But, would the Lions really give up the necessary picks to move up to 1 just to get him? 4 young stars/potential stars on the D-line sounds awesome in theory, but it may not matter if we don't ever draft quality DBs.

If they think Clowney is the next JJ Watt, Mario Williams, or Julius Peppers, maybe he's worth it. I just don't see it being a viable option for this team to really take a step forward. We need our second/third round picks to contribute too much.

Moving up 10 spots and having to outbid Atlanta is too expensive in my opinion...

 

[detrisin]

Moving up 10 spots and having to outbid Atlanta is too expensive in my opinion...

Even if they didn't have a bidding war...too expensive IMO. Draft is too deep. Hang at 10 or find a partner in the mid-teens. With the new CBA, who thinks Det could get more than a 3rd rounder to trade back...say Pittsburgh @ 15?

 

[Mitchrapp]

I'd trade up for Mack before Clowney. Trading up to 4-5 is better than trading up to one. Though I suppose Mack might not even last until 4-5.

 

[sggatecl]

When I think about moving into the top 5, I remember what Atlanta gave up for Julio Jones and I throw up a little. And that was for pick #6, not even top 5.

 

[mhughes0021]

When I think about moving into the top 5, I remember what Atlanta gave up for Julio Jones and I throw up a little. And that was for pick #6, not even top 5.

in all fairness they were moving from the bottom of the 1st round.....something san fran very well could do this year cause they don't have enough roster spots for all their picks this year. Were only moving from 10....but still too rich for my blood.

 

[inkfreq]

Saw a rumor the other day that the Lions were discussing a trade up with Houston for that #1 pick, but I don't remember where I saw it.

Supposedly the discussions were the #1 and the #33 for Suh.

Since I am still of the opinion that Suh is un-tradeable, and all the rumors seem retarded, I didn't pay any attention to it. Might have been on Yahoo.

 

[brewer229]

Juilio Jones trade may not be a good one to look at since that was to move from #26 to #6.
Last year to go from #12 to #3 it cost a 2nd rounder.

In a deep draft like this picks tend to cost less. Regardless it is hard to use previous examples because there are so many variables.

Best case: A top team really wants a player like Ha-Ha, they know they can get him at #10, so they are willing to take our #10 and a 3rd because they get the guy they want, save a bit of money an pick up a high 3rd. Esentially getting something for nothing.

Only way I'll be disappointed is if they get into a bidding war and grossly overpay. Anything more than out pick and a 2nd is too much for Clowney nor Watkins.

 

[LKP]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2014/05/analysis_if_detroit_lions_are_se.html

I like this scenario. Give up 3rd and 4th to move to Clevelands spot. Take Khalil Mack and 2nd round take a WR. 4th round comps take your future center and backup QBs or a safety.

 

[thehippo73]

If we got Clowney, I would love it. Not really too concerned about what we give up. If we go Ditka and trade our whole draft, I wouldn't like it. I would give up 1, 2 and 4 to get Clowney.

 

[food4thought]

Saw a rumor the other day that the Lions were discussing a trade up with Houston for that #1 pick, but I don't remember where I saw it.

Supposedly the discussions were the #1 and the #33 for Suh.

Since I am still of the opinion that Suh is un-tradeable, and all the rumors seem retarded, I didn't pay any attention to it. Might have been on Yahoo.

I would make that trade all day every day. Suh is a great player, granted, but he has hurt this team with penalties, cap hit, and this offseason (not having an agent to negotiate an extension before FA, not showing up for workouts as a TEAM CAPTAIN with a new DC). Clowney and a likely top tier WR/CB/S/LB at the top of the 2nd round is good value IMO, not to mention knocking about 10 million off next season's salary cap... and if we can't negotiate a contract with Suh, we could end up losing him anyway, and we would not get that kind of compensation back for him in that scenario.

 

[mhughes0021]

Saw a rumor the other day that the Lions were discussing a trade up with Houston for that #1 pick, but I don't remember where I saw it.

Supposedly the discussions were the #1 and the #33 for Suh.

Since I am still of the opinion that Suh is un-tradeable, and all the rumors seem retarded, I didn't pay any attention to it. Might have been on Yahoo.

love suh....but don't tease me with a good time. 1 year rental on a mega cap hit for 2 high picks.....I think HOU would be crazy to do that but that's just about the most value you should expect to get back if youre a lions fan...actually....its more than I would expect.

 

[mhughes0021]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2014/05/analysis_if_detroit_lions_are_se.html

I like this scenario. Give up 3rd and 4th to move to Clevelands spot. Take Khalil Mack and 2nd round take a WR. 4th round comps take your future center and backup QBs or a safety.

Not to keen on moving into the top 5 for a 4-3 olb. Macks ceiling is Navarro Bowman or probably more like ahmad brooks....which are very good players in this league. Macks floor is every single other overhyped OLB that has been taken in the top 5 recently and turned into garbage....aaron curry anyone? That is just not a position I gamble on.....if youre sitting at 5 and he falls in your lap....that's 1 thing. But to move up to get him?....that's different.

 

[lgolfer]

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2014/05/analysis_if_detroit_lions_are_se.html

I like this scenario. Give up 3rd and 4th to move to Clevelands spot. Take Khalil Mack and 2nd round take a WR. 4th round comps take your future center and backup QBs or a safety.

I'd like this deal since we'd be able to keep our 2nd round pick, but I don't know if Mack is worth it. I'd probably only do it if we got Watkins.

 

[LKP]

love suh....but don't tease me with a good time. 1 year rental on a mega cap hit for 2 high picks.....I think HOU would be crazy to do that but that's just about the most value you should expect to get back if youre a lions fan...actually....its more than I would expect.

Houston has the space this year and next year for Suh and beyond. Plus their cap numbers on the new deal for him would be lower than Detroits (no restructure money to worry about). Especially in that scenario with no high draft picks for Houston. Proven stud in Suh in his prime compared to a gamble on Clowney. Round 3 Houston gets their QB to groom. BOB made Matt Freaking McGloin look good. Top of Round 3 they can still get a good one.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/2014/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/2015/

 

[mhughes0021]

Houston has the space this year and next year for Suh and beyond. Plus their cap numbers on the new deal for him would be lower than Detroits (no restructure money to worry about). Especially in that scenario with no high draft picks for Houston. Proven stud in Suh in his prime compared to a gamble on Clowney. Round 3 Houston gets their QB to groom. BOB made Matt Freaking McGloin look good. Top of Round 3 they can still get a good one.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/2014/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/2015/

but youre using Suh as a 3-4 gap filler....

 

[lgolfer]

Houston has the space this year and next year for Suh and beyond. Plus their cap numbers on the new deal for him would be lower than Detroits (no restructure money to worry about). Especially in that scenario with no high draft picks for Houston. Proven stud in Suh in his prime compared to a gamble on Clowney. Round 3 Houston gets their QB to groom. BOB made Matt Freaking McGloin look good. Top of Round 3 they can still get a good one.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/2014/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/2015/

If Houston could get Suh to sign an extension, then there's a small chance we could get both Houston's 1st and 2nd round pick. But without an extension, I don't think there's anyway we could get the #1 pick, like Hughes said. There'd be too much uncertainty for Houston for them to give up the #1 pick.

 

[LKP]

but youre using Suh as a 3-4 gap filler....

If both Suh and Watt were at 3-4 End. The focus is still on Watt.

 

[LKP]

They would have time to work on an extension for Suh and Watt. Watt is locked down with the 5th year option for 2015. Suh's cap number would change with the trade on Houston, I wonder what his franchise tag number would be then for 2015. Surely not 25 million

 

[tomdalton22]

Houston has the space this year and next year for Suh and beyond. Plus their cap numbers on the new deal for him would be lower than Detroits (no restructure money to worry about). Especially in that scenario with no high draft picks for Houston. Proven stud in Suh in his prime compared to a gamble on Clowney. Round 3 Houston gets their QB to groom. BOB made Matt Freaking McGloin look good. Top of Round 3 they can still get a good one.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/2014/

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/houston-texans/cap/2015/

There is no way in hell that Houston would give up the #1 overall pick and the first pick in the second round then have to pay Suh $12M a year. Makes NO SENSE AT ALL!!!