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LOL @ Brendan Gibbons

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Is there a reason you have not responded to my post where I specifically point out that your statements referring to Lewan are factually inaccurate and worded in a way that implies that Lewan threatened directly to the girl that Gibbons would rape her again if she pressed charges, when in fact he made an inappropriate comment stating that Gibbons didn't rape her in front of third parties who apparently repeated his comment to the alleged victim? If you cannot give me an argument as to why this is properly presented in your "article," please alter or remove this section. It is intentionally misleading and dishonest.

You also need to quit saying there were two threats. The first threat entailed Lewan misidentifying a girl, asking if it is her, and then saying the girl he mistook for her must not have been smooshed like that before. I am not sure on what planet that is a threat to the alleged victim. It's not a threat to anybody. It's not even threatening language. It's beyond dishonest to refer to there being two "threats" towards her, as there is clear evidence that neither statement was made with the intention of threatening her as she was not present for either comment.

Your assertion that Lewan's "threats" were the cause of her not pressing charges is also not supported by the evidence. In her original police statement she says in numerous different ways that she does not want to press charges and go through a trial. The alleged "threats" were not addressed until about two weeks after the incident. It seems hard to imagine the "threats" being the cause when she declined to take action for two weeks after the incident after expressing her desire to not pursue legal action from the beginning.

Your concept that she would have been afraid of losing her scholarship is also beyond ridiculous on so many common sense levels it's incredible that you would even suggest this. The local media was aware of the allegations and the fact that an arrest had been made was known, but the only information lacking was official confirmation of the suspect. Had she pressed charges, nothing would have prevented this information from being common knowledge. Nothing. How can you or anybody else reasonably believe that the school would be so dumb as to kick her out after it is known that her alleged rapist has been charged publicly? The only explanation would have been if her identity was completely unknown, but the police reports make her identity as a freshmen track athlete clear. No school administrator would take away her scholarship knowing it would be found out. That's borderline psychotic to think that could happen. This also brings me to my next point:

I am curious if the alleged victim approved of the way you presented information about her in your "article." You have given away her year, athletic team associations, and home state in your version of the police reports. About 30 seconds of searching on Mgoblue.com allowed me to unquestionably discern her identity. I have no doubts that countless other people have now done the same and harassment may be directed towards her as a result. I hope you had her permission because otherwise you just outed the alleged victim. Not a very smart thing to do.

Please stop responding to medical assertions and address the factual issues I have raised above.

The second UM police report warns him that he could face criminal or university action for his comments, which I think is a pretty good indication that it was considered a threat by the campus police.

The article summarizes my opinion as to what happened based upon the police reports but the point of attaching all of the documentation is so that the reader can see the reports and form their own opinion, as you have. We can argue about who is more biased but the information is there.

The public previously had not seen these police reports and considering the huge problem of sexual assaults on campus and the rolling out of new policies at UM, I think the information is important.
 
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I'm kinda hoping it dies too. not that i'm insensitive to the allegations, but as Vic says below, it isn't going to be decided on this board. We've got the word. Some of us are disturbed, but waiting to see what else comes of it. the excuse makers among us are doin' their thang, and wouldn't be convinced if Moses himself appeared at halftime with it written on a stone tablet.

Jesus, relax bro. This "topic" on Gibbons is not going to be decided here on our board. You seem incredibly intense about it (as do others who have suddenly appeared) and are demanding everyone else be as intense. ...

I think at this point Lewan's interests would be better protected by sending Douglas a C&D letter, not posting big talk on a message board. If he's really putting lies and falsehoods out there, & casting Lewan in a bad light, this should be straightforward enough and easy to resolve. the "put up or shut up" demand works both ways...
 
Who, me? Are you serious?

I don't even understand what the hell is happening around here.

Just a few days ago, we were on the cusp of another college football season and talking about the potential for the team.

Now ....now, we have trolls dredging up decade-old "smack talk" about the Michigan vs State rivalry, people using our board to hold some detailed legal discussion involving three year old information involving our FG kicker and a generally shitty vibe on the whole.



WTF?!
 
yeah YOU, "UMFAN"

real, freakin' original there.

LOL.

I'm not UMFAN. Don't know if moderators can verify that for me, but I'm not.

edit: Remember when I wanted to change my screen name like a year ago? I decide to go ahead and change it, but I gave up because I couldn't figure out how to and I didn't want to start a new account.
 
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Here's what we have got from the police reports. Something happened. Maybe rape. Maybe not. The end.

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Crap, I'm bad at this.


I didn't know if you were serious or not either. I couldn't tell if you thought I was actually saying you had created "UMFAN" ... which I wasn't.


Saddest of all is that around 46,000 people have been a victim of sexual assault in this country since THIS THREAD WAS STARTED!!!!

So Brendan Gibbons might be a horrible monster and this girl horribly victimized, but during the tit-for-tat back and forth played out over the past 32 days here about this "case" ....nothing has been done to help the approximate 45,999 other individuals assaulted since 7/21/13.
 
I didn't know if you were serious or not either. I couldn't tell if you thought I was actually saying you had created "UMFAN" ... which I wasn't.


Saddest of all is that around 46,000 people have been a victim of sexual assault in this country since THIS THREAD WAS STARTED!!!!

So Brendan Gibbons might be a horrible monster and this girl horribly victimized, but during the tit-for-tat back and forth played out over the past 32 days here about this "case" ....nothing has been done to help the approximate 45,999 other individuals assaulted since 7/21/13.

I was. I was in serious mode and misunderstood.

If there's a silver lining here, it does look like Michigan is reviewing and changing policies. I don't know how old the old policies were, but they're up to date now.
 
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Good to see they are saying Lewan texted her directly. I think that issue has been covered pretty well here.

How the hell does someone get away with something like that? You or I would be thrown in jail that night and charged and convicted of a felony.
 
Is this supposed to be directed at me?

No. Get over yourself. That was directed at you.

Don't worry about me sullying your special board either. I have no intention of posting again if he doesn't either.

I think we can manage should you choose to withdraw. (maybe not the best word choice)
 
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Good to see they are saying Lewan texted her directly. I think that issue has been covered pretty well here.

sigh... just as you are free to claim the evidence proves nothing, they're free to claim the evidence proves everything.

we should all just shut up and wait to see what else comes out of this. no one is proving anything here.
 
sigh... just as you are free to claim the evidence proves nothing, they're free to claim the evidence proves everything.

we should all just shut up and wait to see what else comes out of this. no one is proving anything here.

You're right. I'm not saying the evidence proves nothing, anything, or everything. I've just been playing devil's advocate and pointing out that there is more than one possibility to what happened that night. I've said multiple times we don't know what happened. We never will.

This is going to be my last post on this because I'm ready for football and sick of this.
 
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