Looks like Leyland gets the last laugh twice

[jmakula87]

I am obviously happy that we are playing so well, and that our bats have been so good this year, but batting Jackson and Magglio at the top of the order and putting Raburn at 2nd base oh so many times, was a mistake.

Nobody will ever know if it was the right choice or not, but I don't think that batting two guys who struggled to get on base for a lot of the year in front of Miggy was the right decision.

Obviously everybody has different opinions and I respect that, but that is just my 2 cents.

 

[jimrice]

I am obviously happy that we are playing so well, and that our bats have been so good this year, but batting Jackson and Magglio at the top of the order and putting Raburn at 2nd base oh so many times, was a mistake.

Nobody will ever know if it was the right choice or not, but I don't think that batting two guys who struggled to get on base for a lot of the year in front of Miggy was the right decision.

Obviously everybody has different opinions and I respect that, but that is just my 2 cents.

Leyland has struggled with the top two spots this year, no doubt.

As far as Raburn, that's pretty much the guy he had based on the team DD fielded. Though, not intending to turn this into a Raburn thread.

I think Leyland's in game management is pretty much by the book. I'd rather have him than a lot of other managers. The line ups are what drops his overall grade, imo.

 

[ihatebadenglish]

This thread makes me chuckle

 

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I am obviously happy that we are playing so well, and that our bats have been so good this year, but batting Jackson and Magglio at the top of the order and putting Raburn at 2nd base oh so many times, was a mistake.

Nobody will ever know if it was the right choice or not, but I don't think that batting two guys who struggled to get on base for a lot of the year in front of Miggy was the right decision.

Obviously everybody has different opinions and I respect that, but that is just my 2 cents.

Leyland has struggled with the top two spots this year, no doubt.

As far as Raburn, that's pretty much the guy he had based on the team DD fielded. Though, not intending to turn this into a Raburn thread.

I think Leyland's in game management is pretty much by the book. I'd rather have him than a lot of other managers. The line ups are what drops his overall grade, imo.

That's my biggest complaint about him lineups, and how he handled the pitchers.

As far as Raburn, I agree DD probably pushed him to play him, but he still has a better option in Santiago, and it's not like he was just poor fielding, he was not hitting either.

I have no problem with him using Valverde in non save situations like many do, or the "walk the bases loaded to force at home" play that a lot of people complain about.

But overall Leyland is still middle of the pack when it comes to managing, about half are better, half are worse....maybe slightly closer to the top then bottom.

Nobody better to replace him with though, so I was not upset at the contract extension.

 

[Mitchrapp]

If anyone gets credit, throw the praise to DD. Betemit and Young aren't world beaters but they took guys out of the lineup and placed them on the bench. Plus, he got us quite the starting pitching.

 

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Leyland has not been terrible, but he has not been great either.

You people are forgetting he let Magglio bat 3rd forever, hurting Miggy and Vmart.

He lat Ryan Raburn get too many PA's while he could not hit, and now that he is hitting? He's on the bench more than ever.

Raburn was stuck into a big defensive position he is incapable of playing to even an average level.

He routinely let some of his starters go when it was obvious they needed to come out, he probably cost us 10 games this year from that alone.

He refused to let Alex Avila hit higher than 7th for the majority of the season.


Worship him if you want, but I'm not too blind to see Leyland is not the reason we're winning.

I don't think he should be fired, he's doing an adequate job, but let's not make it out like he is a genius or something, cause he's not.

So his pitching decisions cost the Tigers 10 games? That would mean that they should be 94-52. How many games did the rest of his blunders cost the team? With your logic the Tigers should have 100 wins already!

Yes, I'm saying his decisions with the pitchers costs us 10 games, but put that in perspective, every manager loses some of those, so it's not like I an saying we would be 162-0 if he didn't do stupid things.

You're jumping to huge conclusions, I'm just pointing out how many games got away from us because smokey was too stubborn to pull Coke, Penny, and Porcello when it was obvious to everyone else they count not get it done, not to mention Weinhardt, Gonzales, Thomas, Perry, and Purcey.

Leyland is one of the slowest managers with the hook when a pitcher gets into trouble, he even says he likes to see if they can pitch out of a jam.


It's great he has the team in 1st place and cruising to a division title, but he's not any better this year then he was the last 3....and look how those seasons went.


This team is in first because of the players, not the manager.

 

[tomdalton22]

Leyland has struggled with the top two spots this year, no doubt.

As far as Raburn, that's pretty much the guy he had based on the team DD fielded. Though, not intending to turn this into a Raburn thread.

I think Leyland's in game management is pretty much by the book. I'd rather have him than a lot of other managers. The line ups are what drops his overall grade, imo.

That's my biggest complaint about him lineups, and how he handled the pitchers.

As far as Raburn, I agree DD probably pushed him to play him, but he still has a better option in Santiago, and it's not like he was just poor fielding, he was not hitting either.

I have no problem with him using Valverde in non save situations like many do, or the "walk the bases loaded to force at home" play that a lot of people complain about.

But overall Leyland is still middle of the pack when it comes to managing, about half are better, half are worse....maybe slightly closer to the top then bottom.

Nobody better to replace him with though, so I was not upset at the contract extension.

I find it hard to believe that anybody can put a true ranking on Leyland. You would have to watch every game by every team to make an educated guess. Bottom line is most fans think that their manager sucks.

 

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Mitch[/color]]If anyone gets credit, throw the praise to DD. Betemit and Young aren't world beaters but they took guys out of the lineup and placed them on the bench. Plus, he got us quite the starting pitching.

DD has made some fantastic moves this year, even the Sizemore for Purcey was a decent gamble, just can't win em all.

The Waiver clam on DY might be the biggest coup this year, the Twins are kicking themselves right now.

 

[tomdalton22]

[quote="Mitch":jzv0mpsn]If anyone gets credit, throw the praise to DD. Betemit and Young aren't world beaters but they took guys out of the lineup and placed them on the bench. Plus, he got us quite the starting pitching.

DD has made some fantastic moves this year, even the Sizemore for Purcey was a decent gamble, just can't win em all.

The Waiver clam on DY might be the biggest coup this year, the Twins are kicking themselves right now.[/quote:jzv0mpsn]

I think the Fister deal was the one that put the Tigers over the top.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Don't bring up Size more, Bob might go crazy . But I don't think JL could have done much with the pitching staff. We only had so many guys and only so much we could do. I don't even have a problem with JL and when and when not to bring in a RP. Its basically the lineup.

I would have liked to see players on hot streaks continue to play without getting takin' out. And BB bat against LHP when he's done it for two years, less days off for Peralta and certain players sitting out because of a 1-6 against a starting pitcher.

 

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DD has made some fantastic moves this year, even the Sizemore for Purcey was a decent gamble, just can't win em all.

The Waiver clam on DY might be the biggest coup this year, the Twins are kicking themselves right now.

I think the Fister deal was the one that put the Tigers over the top.

I agree Tom, but that's why I called the DY thing a coup, cause it came right out of left field, where as Fister was a straight trade we knew was coming kinda.

The Fister trade has the chance to be epic, maybe close to the Miggy deal, just have to see how the next 2 seasons go.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Fister-Miggy, I don't think so.

 

[tomdalton22]

Mitch[/color]]Fister-Miggy, I don't think so.

He'd have to be a 5 time 20 game winner for the Tigers for the trade to equal Miggy.

 

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Mitch[/color]]Fister-Miggy, I don't think so.

I'm not comparing the 2 players.

I'm saying what we got for what we gave up in the 2 deals.

 

[Mitchrapp]

We'd have to be lucky as shit for the ones we traded to be as bad as Miller and Maybin.

 

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Mitch[/color]]We'd have to be lucky as shit for the ones we traded to be as bad as Miller and Maybin.

On the flip side of that coin, what's the chance that Pauley is as bad as Willis?

 

[tomdalton22]

[quote="Mitch":njtly65p]We'd have to be lucky as shit for the ones we traded to be as bad as Miller and Maybin.

On the flip side of that coin, what's the chance that Pauley is as bad as Willis?[/quote:njtly65p]

A one armed & blind meth addict is better than Willis!

 

[Mitchrapp]

Willis was kind of a throw in. He was just to get money off Florida's books and to get deal done. Of course DD had to give him an extension. I still can't put a grade on Pauley. jL didn't use him, just sat on his ass. We'll see next year on him.

 

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Willis was a throw in for Florida only.....DD wanted him to be a big part of the rotation, I still feel bad for the kid, but he keeps getting chances.

 

[tomdalton22]

Willis was a throw in for Florida only.....DD wanted him to be a big part of the rotation, I still feel bad for the kid, but he keeps getting chances.

To this day I wonder if DD promised Willis an extension before the trade. That is the only possible explanation as to why that extension was given....unless Willis had some pictures of Mr Illich naked with a donkey.