Lynch???

[boogerlovejoy]

But back on point.. From what I know Lynch I'm fine with. Just not as a first round pick. Take the guy from Alabama or someone similar later in the draft.

Connor Cook seems to be playing himself into a later round, just as Lynch is playing himself into a higher one.

I'd take Cook later and upgrade other areas with the #1 pick.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Connor Cook seems to be playing himself into a later round, just as Lynch is playing himself into a higher one.

I'd take Cook later and upgrade other areas with the #1 pick.

I'm not really keen on drafting a guy who was maybe a 1st-2nd round at one point that's falling. But if he went in the 4th-5th I would. Value and all that. I just want a QB who is accurate. Cook doesn't rally fit that.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

I'm not really keen on drafting a guy who was maybe a 1st-2nd round at one point that's falling. But if he went in the 4th-5th I would. Value and all that. I just want a QB who is accurate. Cook doesn't rally fit that.

No, no he doesn't. That said.......he is completely responsible for that offense. 100%. I don't see one other college QB relied on more than Cook.

He may never be super accurate......but that guy will be a good NFL QB. He's very RuthlessRaper like.

 

[dubbsco]

That's a very ambiguous type of comment that really can't be confirmed. Mayfield-Oklahoma, Boykin-TCU, Prescott-Miss St, Watson-Clemson. If those teams lost their QB, they'd be cooked. I'm sure I could find plenty others from smaller conferences or average mid-major teams.

 

[mhughes0021]

I thought he had a great game vs nebraska. His coaches failed him.

 

[dubbsco]

Not arguing he's a darn good QB. I just don't buy the premise that he's the #1 guy in the country in terms of being relied on. That's too hard to say.

 

[zyxt9]

So would you say Eli is better than Aaron Rodgers?

Keep up.

Has AR ever gotten the Packers into a Conference CG? Yes

Has AR ever won the CCG? Yes

Has AR ever won a SB? Yes

Has AR ever earned league MVP? Yes

Has AR maintained statistical consistency throughout his career? Yes

Will AR be in the HoF? Yes

There are many reasons why AR is considered to be in the group of elite QBs. Would I start AR over Eli? Yes. He has proven to be statistically better and has won a SB.

Romo? Hell's no do I start Romo over Eli.

 

[brewer229]

Keep up.

Has AR ever gotten the Packers into a Conference CG? Yes

Has AR ever won the CCG? Yes

Has AR ever won a SB? Yes

Has AR ever earned league MVP? Yes

Has AR maintained statistical consistency throughout his career? Yes

Will AR be in the HoF? Yes

There are many reasons why AR is considered to be in the group of elite QBs. Would I start AR over Eli? Yes. He has proven to be statistically better and has won a SB.

Romo? Hell's no do I start Romo over Eli.

So despite the fact Romo has the second best ever career QB rating and the 9th best playoff QB rating; Eli who has the 36th best career QB rating and the 11th best playoff QB rating is clearly better. Because his team won a superbowl he is better.

So with 0 playoff wins and one of the worst QB regular season records of all time, you would agree Stafford is one of the worst QBs ever to play the game? Lets go to the check list:

Has MS ever gotten the Packers into a Conference CG? No
Has MS ever won the CCG? No
Has MS ever won a SB? No
Has MS ever earned league MVP? No
Has MS maintained statistical consistency throughout his career? Yes, but not the statistical consistency you want
Will MS be in the HoF? No - unless Mayhew gets the 1 and only vote

 

[zyxt9]

But back on point.. From what I know Lynch I'm fine with. Just not as a first round pick. Take the guy from Alabama or someone similar later in the draft.

Absolutely agree. If Lynch or Goff were being discussed as R3 picks, then that would be fine. There is too much risk compared to the talent they have displayed so far, and plenty of other NFL ready talent is available.

I'm sure they will be selected in R1, I just would rank them at R3 currently, but with potential to move up my board based on the rest of the season and combine results. Players can improve, and if they can shine vs the better talent they face as the year goes on then they might move up. Lynch laid an egg vs Navy though, which is a top level team in terms of record and they are not easy to beat because you really have to make the most out of every possession. The more times you fail, the more the pressure mounts to do more because you might only have a couple chances left vs a ball control team like Navy. Plus, you're on the sideline for longer stretches. Can you stay loose and focused during those downtimes and be able to come back in and lead the team to a TD? Lynch failed all of these tests. He entered the game with a quick TD drive, but continually was unable to perform throughout the rest of the game. That is a huge red flag IMO. He lacked mental toughness.

Yes, every QB will have a bad game; however, having a bad game vs a good team in a game where winning keeps your team alive for the potential of a playoff spot...not good. To beat Navy, you have to be mentally sound. Analysts talk about having to be fundamentally sound on D because of Navy's offense, but they always overlook how your QB and the offense have to maintain mental toughness and their fundamentals too. NFL requires more mental toughness than that, so failing to display it vs Navy is not a good sign for the potential NFL career. He could develop it over time, but he is not NFL ready yet even though some team might draft him in R1 and throw him to the wolves as a rookie.

 

[zyxt9]

So despite the fact Romo has the second best ever career QB rating and the 9th best playoff QB rating; Eli who has the 36th best career QB rating and the 11th best playoff QB rating is clearly better. Because his team won a superbowl he is better.

So with 0 playoff wins and one of the worst QB regular season records of all time, you would agree Stafford is one of the worst QBs ever to play the game? Lets go to the check list:

Has MS ever gotten the Packers into a Conference CG? No
Has MS ever won the CCG? No
Has MS ever won a SB? No
Has MS ever earned league MVP? No
Has MS maintained statistical consistency throughout his career? Yes, but not the statistical consistency you want
Will MS be in the HoF? No - unless Mayhew gets the 1 and only vote

What is your point? It is like you are accusing me of saying Stafford would start over Romo. I never said that.

So you would start Romo over Eli?????? Enjoy not making the SB.

MENTAL TOUGHNESS is not measured by stat lines. Romo is yet to show he has the mental toughness to take his team to a CCG, let alone a SB. Until he does, he doesn't rate, I don't care what stats he puts up in the regular season or even playoffs. Without playoff wins, they are meaningless stats...and honestly without winning CCGs and taking the team to the SB, he will NEVER be elite.

I'd still start him over Stafford though...if that is what your comment was about.

Brady...Peyton...AR...Eli...SB winning QBs...CCG winning QBs....playoff record over .400 QBs...Romo and other QBs who still have a playoff victory but are under .400 in playoffs...QBs who have never won a playoff game but made the playoffs (includes Stafford)....QBs who have never made it to the playoffs (includes rookies...gotta prove you can make it to the playoffs first, then they can jump Stafford).

So yes, the playoffs have much greater weight than the regular season.

It's like being the Points Leader and winning the President's Cup but not the Stanley Cup in the NHL. OOOOOOHHH, wow you won the President's Cup? Good for you! Now, go make my Big Mac, ya loser! Because unless you win the Stanley Cup, what did you really accomplish??? Fans don't hold parades for President Cup winners, nor should they.

 

[Mitchrapp]

No, no he doesn't. That said.......he is completely responsible for that offense. 100%. I don't see one other college QB relied on more than Cook.

He may never be super accurate......but that guy will be a good NFL QB. He's very RuthlessRaper like.

First, I don't watch college ball all that much so I've seen very little of Cook. So I'll take your opinion on that. Either way I think we need to draft someone sooner rather than later.

 

[brewer229]

What is your point? It is like you are accusing me of saying Stafford would start over Romo. I never said that.

So you would start Romo over Eli?????? Enjoy not making the SB.

MENTAL TOUGHNESS is not measured by stat lines. Romo is yet to show he has the mental toughness to take his team to a CCG, let alone a SB. Until he does, he doesn't rate, I don't care what stats he puts up in the regular season or even playoffs. Without playoff wins, they are meaningless stats...and honestly without winning CCGs and taking the team to the SB, he will NEVER be elite.

I'd still start him over Stafford though...if that is what your comment was about.

Brady...Peyton...AR...Eli...SB winning QBs...CCG winning QBs....playoff record over .400 QBs...Romo and other QBs who still have a playoff victory but are under .400 in playoffs...QBs who have never won a playoff game but made the playoffs (includes Stafford)....QBs who have never made it to the playoffs (includes rookies...gotta prove you can make it to the playoffs first, then they can jump Stafford).

So yes, the playoffs have much greater weight than the regular season.

It's like being the Points Leader and winning the President's Cup but not the Stanley Cup in the NHL. OOOOOOHHH, wow you won the President's Cup? Good for you! Now, go make my Big Mac, ya loser! Because unless you win the Stanley Cup, what did you really accomplish??? Fans don't hold parades for President Cup winners, nor should they.

I just don't understand how einnig a super bowl suddenly trumps everything else. Somehow because dez
Bryant fumbles at the 1/2 yard line Romo isn't mentally tough?

So what mental toughness has eli shown? So is kapernick better then romo? Wilson on pace to be a goat?

Does it apply to other positions? Is Wes Welker better than Calvin Johnson?

 

[zyxt9]

If you don't get it by now, not sure you ever will.

Maybe it is a luck factor, maybe it is leadership, reminding guys to protect the ball or even helping guys improve during practice which translates to what happens in games. QBs either have that "it" factor and are winners, or they are not.

I get that you are a Romo lover. Feel free to continue watching him put up stats but never winning anything important.

For the Lions, I really hope they get the guy who wins instead of a regular season stat guy to replace Stafford.

 

[cheeno]

I get that you are a Romo lover.

I believe proper term is Romosexual.

 

[brewer229]

Talking about intangibles and throwing insults at posters. Typical reply of someone who has no reason just prefers someone over someone else. So the things you can quantity and have no idea about is why eli is better. Good thing Eli told Tyree how to catch balls on the helmet. What great leadership and intangibles eli showed.

So does it apply to other positions? Is welker better than CJ?

 

[brewer229]

Also would cardale jones or whoever wins the national championship this year be the guy you want to draft as the future QB? Maybe give tebow a look, he was always a winner and great leader.

 

[zyxt9]

Talking about intangibles and throwing insults at posters. Typical reply of someone who has no reason just prefers someone over someone else. So the things you can quantity and have no idea about is why eli is better. Good thing Eli told Tyree how to catch balls on the helmet. What great leadership and intangibles eli showed.

So does it apply to other positions? Is welker better than CJ?

I wasn't throwing out insults. You love Romo...I'm not using Romosexual.

Again, maybe it is an "it" factor or "luck". Whatever, Romo doesn't have "it", Eli does. You can argue it all you want with your stat lines, but Eli having won 2 SBs vs the GOAT QB...well, that makes him a lock for the HoF.

Romo is not a winner. It is the intangibles that turn statlines into flatlines.

I don't think you will ever get that though because you are blinded by the statlines. Your choice, I'll be having fond memories of Eli winning SBs when he is inducted, you will be sulking and pissed that Romo isn't in the HoF.

 

[zyxt9]

Also would cardale jones or whoever wins the national championship this year be the guy you want to draft as the future QB? Maybe give tebow a look, he was always a winner and great leader.

Where did I say any of this?????

WHERE!!!???!!!????!!!

I have REPEATEDLY said there is not a single QB that I would take in R1.

Who do YOU want to replace Stafford? Do YOU want Goff? How about Lynch who couldn't beat Houston yesterday? He threw an INT that helped Houston acquire life in a game they were down, but crawled back for the win after the INT and then the next possession 3 & out that Memphis had. Lynch is showing he cannot win vs better competition. Lions already have that in Stafford, do they not?

Who? Who can the Lions get that is better than Stafford Day 1? I'll settle for will be better than Stafford in Year 2.

There isn't a single QB coming out of college who I view as NFL ready or even a viable Year 2 starter. I most certainly would not waste a R1 pick on any of them, preferring to upgrade the DL in R1 instead.

I'm ok with waiting till R4-7, and whomever the Lions new GM/Coaches draft, praying it works out, regardless of who it is. Will I be pleased if it is Jones, FUCK NO! Maybe if they picked him up as a UDFA I'd be ok with it, but even that is a barely.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I really didn't want to get into again but the team has one win. Who cares who they get to replace Matt? UFA from caveman central would only have 1 less win.

 

[zyxt9]

I really didn't want to get into again but the team has one win. Who cares who they get to replace Matt? UFA from caveman central would only have 1 less win.

I agree any college QB can come in and get 1 win; however, I don't see the high potential in any of these guys to eventually be playoff winning QBs. Lynch has shown fragility vs the better opponents.