Lynch???

[Mitchrapp]

Says he is better than Matt, does not say he is elite.

There are QBs who ranked lower than Romo in regular season who I would take over Romo without hesitation, because they win in the playoffs. Give me Eli any day. Sure, he is frustrating to watch, but at least his MVP is a SBMVP...regular season stats are good, but the playoffs are where the elite/great/really good are winners.

Where did matt finish, even in 2011. I'm curious why you keep using the word elite? I never used it, Tom never used it, Brewer never used it.

His playoff stats are good, even won twice. How many has Matt won? It takes more than a QB or else Tebow and Sanchez (the Jets) are much betterthan Matt. If that's what matters.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Top 5 year after year. Matt, top 25. Sweet!! I didn't say HOF, I said consideration. Laughable if you think he gets no consideration.

 

[zyxt9]

Where did matt finish, even in 2011. I'm curious why you keep using the word elite? I never used it, Tom never used it, Brewer never used it.

His playoff stats are good, even won twice. How many has Matt won? It takes more than a QB or else Tebow and Sanchez (the Jets) are much betterthan Matt. If that's what matters.

When you guys use qualifiers like "head and shoulders", "blows him away", "it isn't even close"....those are qualifiers that apply to the elite QBs.

Romo is better. Period. The other fluff qualifiers inflate Romo to a level he has yet to deserve.

Hell, I'd wager even Romo himself would recognize that. He knows his playoff history sucks while others have excelled. I'm sure he wishes he had more playoff wins. I wish I could say the same about Stafford, but I'm not convinced Stafford cares enough...which is another area where Romo is better than Stafford. Lol

 

[zyxt9]

Top 5 year after year. Matt, top 25. Sweet!! I didn't say HOF, I said consideration. Laughable if you think he gets no consideration.

Considered but doesn't get in is another way he is better...but those other qualifiers would mean he isn't borderline, but a guaranteed HoF. Maybe he gets in one day even if his last years mirror his earlier ones, there are bonus points for longevity after all and his regular seasons have been consistent enough for consideration I guess, but he would not have my vote if I had one.

 

[inkfreq]

I keep hearing the same argument on this board about "the only stat that matters is wins".

Okay, so now somehow Joke Job Romo, King of the December Meltdown, is "head and shoulders" better than Stafford. His one playoff win, put him in that category? I think not.

He chokes under pressure and even that one playoff win.. we'll just say he had some help.

 

[Mitchrapp]

I keep hearing the same argument on this board about "the only stat that matters is wins".

Okay, so now somehow Joke Job Romo, King of the December Meltdown, is "head and shoulders" better than Stafford. His one playoff win, put him in that category? I think not.

He chokes under pressure and even that one playoff win.. we'll just say he had some help.

That's fair. But as the regular season goes one is quite better than the other. No one is saying Romo is some playoff bad ass. But with what we have to go on, I don't see how Matt compares. Even a little bit. But there will be differences, for example some believe Matt can still get better. Others says he's plain terrible.

So when I look at the numbers I see Romo much better in the regular season and a little bit better in the playoffs.

And I hear a lot is that if Matt had this (Dallas OL for example) or this.. But Matt isn't very good when he has time or when guys are wide open. That's not me making up stuff , that's just the way it is.

 

[zyxt9]

Comp% improved last year and again so far this year, so I cannot disagree he has improved in some ways, but his flaws are still present...especially study of the opponent.

It's almost like the game never slowed down for him to the degree others talk about it, as he always seems tense.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Comp% improved last year and again so far this year, so I cannot disagree he has improved in some ways, but his flaws are still present...especially study of the opponent.

It's almost like the game never slowed down for him to the degree others talk about it, as he always seems tense.

So he improved while Romo's completion % is always good. We're just going to have to disagree on this.

 

[kdp1980]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14092506/calvin-johnson-his-final-stretch-detroit-lion-nfl


The speculation on Stafford is almost laughable, except nobody really knows who will be calling the shots for the Lions when they restructure their organization. In a small sample survey of seven NFL coaches and personnel men, they were unanimous that the Lions would be foolish to part with Stafford. He's too talented, his toughness is not in question, he works at the high level necessary for an NFL starting quarterback and, people who have coached and played with Stafford reject any idea his football acumen is lacking.

Stafford is only 27. Yes, he could attract a nice bounty of draft picks in a trade but there's no obvious upgrade in free agency or the draft. In discussing Stafford and the idea he could be expendable, former Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi cautioned: "You don't get rid of quarterbacks when you get one who has signs of greatness. You fix the defense so he's not playing from behind all the time and you protect him with your offensive line."

 

[tomdalton22]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14092506/calvin-johnson-his-final-stretch-detroit-lion-nfl


In discussing Stafford and the idea he could be expendable, former Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi cautioned: "You don't get rid of quarterbacks when you get one who has signs of greatness. You fix the defense so he's not playing from behind all the time and you protect him with your offensive line."

signs of greatness???

 

[brewer229]

To me playoff wins come into a discussion when discussing two players that are close and you need to split hairs.
I don't see how one can watch both Stafford and Romo and think they are even close. List all the things Stafford does better than romo. I'm guessing outside of throwing the ball more, the list is very short. When a QB does essentially everything better than the other I think it is fair to say head and shoulders above.

For those that do care about wins and losses, since 1991 there have been 42 QBs that started at least 80 games, Stafford's win % is 38th.
Not counting the rookies, looking at a teams primary as started this year. Out of 30 players Stafford has the 26th worst win %. Only Cousins, McCown, Fitzpatrick and Bradford has a worse record. So anyone defending Stafford should never use wins as part of their discussion. Because I can guarantee he is tied for last in playoffs wins as well.

 

[tomdalton22]

To me playoff wins come into a discussion when discussing two players that are close and you need to split hairs.
I don't see how one can watch both Stafford and Romo and think they are even close. List all the things Stafford does better than romo. I'm guessing outside of throwing the ball more, the list is very short. When a QB does essentially everything better than the other I think it is fair to say head and shoulders above.

For those that do care about wins and losses, since 1991 there have been 42 QBs that started at least 80 games, Stafford's win % is 38th.
Not counting the rookies, looking at a teams primary as started this year. Out of 30 players Stafford has the 26th worst win %. Only Cousins, McCown, Fitzpatrick and Bradford has a worse record. So anyone defending Stafford should never use wins as part of their discussion. Because I can guarantee he is tied for last in playoffs wins as well.

You don't have to be elite to be "head and shoulders" better than Stafford!

 

[inkfreq]

That's fair. But as the regular season goes one is quite better than the other. No one is saying Romo is some playoff bad ass. But with what we have to go on, I don't see how Matt compares. Even a little bit. But there will be differences, for example some believe Matt can still get better. Others says he's plain terrible.

So when I look at the numbers I see Romo much better in the regular season and a little bit better in the playoffs.

And I hear a lot is that if Matt had this (Dallas OL for example) or this.. But Matt isn't very good when he has time or when guys are wide open. That's not me making up stuff , that's just the way it is.

I can't argue that Matt has underperformed, especially the last two seasons. I'm not arguing that Stafford is good, great, or even mediocre.

I'm saying I don't think Romo is shit as a QB. He's played with some very good teams, and he's personally choked away a lot of opportunities.

He's a QB good enough to keep his job, but they will never win a title with him under center... ever.

 

[mhughes0021]

Romo was a joke. A great offensive line has made him top 10. Weird how that works. Lets keep picking Rbs in the 2nd round...that seems to be working out for us! Mayhew is a fucking moron.

 

[inkfreq]

Romo was a joke. A great offensive line has made him top 10. Weird how that works. Lets keep picking Rbs in the 2nd round...that seems to be working out for us! Mayhew is a fucking moron.

This. This is what I mean. Dead on money post.

Romo is propped up by an O-line. The Cowboys win in spite of his play, not because of it.

 

[tomdalton22]

This. This is what I mean. Dead on money post.

Romo is propped up by an O-line. The Cowboys win in spite of his play, not because of it.

Their O-line has only been really good over the past 2 years. Prior to that it was average, his defense was bad and average running game. The numbers don't lie. He is a good QB and significantly better than Matt.

 

[dubbsco]

I don't care if he has the best O-line in the history of the league, having a career 97.6 QBR is pretty damn good. He's a much better QB than our guy. Coming into the league undrafted and playing as well as he has compared to our guy taken #1, you have to be impressed with Romo's career to this point.

Not to mention, in the last decade, he has the highest QBR in the 4th quarter compared to any other QB.

It's not a coincidence that the team started 2-0 with him, and has gone in a total tailspin without him.

 

[zyxt9]

Give me Eli over Romo every fucking time, but I'm certain you Romo lovers will disagree and point to his stats. LMFAO that people want Romo.

Could Romo prove worthy one day? Anything is possible, but with Jerry in charge, the Cowboys are pretty screwed up so I don't see them ever winning a SB. Eli is the one people should be saying is heads and shoulders above. Romo has better stats, but those don't mean jackshit when he hasn't won a SB or even a Conference CG. Maybe the Cowboys win more during the regular season than the Giants, but damn if the Giants don't peak better when it counts.

Now, how many of you Romo lovers would rather have Eli? I'm guessing you would prefer Romo's numbers.

 

[kdp1980]

Give me Eli over Romo every fucking time, but I'm certain you Romo lovers will disagree and point to his stats. LMFAO that people want Romo.

Could Romo prove worthy one day? Anything is possible, but with Jerry in charge, the Cowboys are pretty screwed up so I don't see them ever winning a SB. Eli is the one people should be saying is heads and shoulders above. Romo has better stats, but those don't mean jackshit when he hasn't won a SB or even a Conference CG. Maybe the Cowboys win more during the regular season than the Giants, but damn if the Giants don't peak better when it counts.

Now, how many of you Romo lovers would rather have Eli? I'm guessing you would prefer Romo's numbers.

How many playoff wins does Romo have? 1? The one that got gift rapped last year? That's it? For people that downgrade stats (Staffords anyway), there sure is alot of stat loving going on right now.

 

[brewer229]

This. This is what I mean. Dead on money post.

Romo is propped up by an O-line. The Cowboys win in spite of his play, not because of it.

Oh please. Last year was the first year in many that Romo had a higher rated pass blocking line. Romo was putting up numbers behind worse lines then Stafford had his entire career.

Cowboys winning % with Romo: .603 (79-52)
In games he has missed during carrer: .273 (6-16)

Seems to me he is a decent reason on why they win.