Mike Trout

[Rebbiv]

Ages 21-27 Away


M. Trout 175 wRC+ .422 OBP .586 SLG 1.008 OPS


A. Pujols 166 wRC+ .420 OBP .620 SLG 1.040 OPS


M. Cabrera 145 wRC+ .392 OBP .558 SLG .950 OPS

 

[tomdalton22]

Ages 21-27 Away


M. Trout 175 wRC+ .422 OBP .586 SLG 1.008 OPS


A. Pujols 166 wRC+ .420 OBP .620 SLG 1.040 OPS


M. Cabrera 145 wRC+ .392 OBP .558 SLG .950 OPS

do we really know which years were age 21-27 for Pujols?

 

[Rebbiv]

do we really know which years were age 21-27 for Pujols?

The ones where he is 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 and 27?

 

[tomdalton22]

The ones where he is 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 and 27?

I was making a joke about the rumors that he is a few years older than his Dominican "birth certificate" says he is.

 

[Mitchrapp]

From ages 21-27 (Comparing when both Trout and Pujols were in the league) there is a +53 difference in Runs Created (to me, the most valuable and telling offensive stat) in Pujols's favor, and there are still two full months of baseball left.

As for skills, they certainly will "deteriorate": but I do not think that Trout's average OPS+ will drop 200+ points from ages 33-38 like Pujols's has.

I think it will. The days of Ted Williams are over. But no use arguing it's a long way off.

 

[Rebbiv]

I was making a joke about the rumors that he is a few years older than his Dominican "birth certificate" says he is.

I realize. But until proven otherwise....


How do we know Cabrera isn't 2-3 years older?

 

[tomdalton22]

I realize. But until proven otherwise....


How do we know Cabrera isn't 2-3 years older?

I don't, but there has been speculation and rumors about Pujols for a long time. Plus, the Domincan Republic has been known for terrible record keeping regarding the ages of their players.

Anyways...just a joke.

 

[Rebbiv]

I don't, but there has been speculation and rumors about Pujols for a long time. Plus, the Domincan Republic has been known for terrible record keeping regarding the ages of their players.

Anyways...just a joke.

I get it. I was trying to be funny back.

 

[tomdalton22]

I get it. I was trying to be funny back.

You come across as a very serious guy...I never know when you are joking!

 

[Rebbiv]

You come across as a very serious guy...I never know when you are joking!

Sarcasm does not play well on the internet. I actually have a sign at my desk at work..."No Sarcasm Allowed".

 

[kalinecountry]

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/mike-trout-without-war/
Mike Trout Without WAR.
Fangraphs

From yesterday which was Mike Trout's 28th birthday.

As Mike Trout celebrates his 28th birthday today, he?s arguably the greatest baseball player of all time at his age. The case is a fairly easy one to make. Here?s what our Leaderboards look like for all players through their age-27 season.

WAR makes it really easy to appreciate the greatness of Trout, but what if we didn?t have WAR? What if we looked at Trout through a different lens?

One without advanced statistics. Would we still be able to make the case for Trout as the greatest player of all time through age 27? Let?s find out.

First, here are a bunch of statistics, some more en vogue than others, that show Trout?s numbers and where he ranks among the 2,500-some qualified players with at least 1,000 plate appearances going back to 1871.

 

[tinselwolverine]

There aren’t enough sabermetrics in the world to make me think that Trout, as good as he is, is better than #7 of the Yankees.

 

[byco42]

Mike Trout's WAR total of 72.1 is more than All the OFs combined who have played for the White Sox from 2004 to present. (WAR is 64 and change)

Mike Trout's PA: 5157
2004-2019 White Sox PA: 35,000+

 

[Rebbiv]

There aren?t enough sabermetrics in the world to make me think that Trout, as good as he is, is better than #7 of the Yankees.

Through Age 28


Mantle 6053 PA .307 BAVG .422 OBP .568 SLG .990 OPS 74.8 WAR 320 HR 935 RBI 112 SB



Trout 5157 PA .306 BAVG .419 OBP .582 SLG .991 OPS 72.5 WAR 278 HR 737 RBI 198 SB


Pretty equal to me.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Through Age 28


Mantle 6053 PA .307 BAVG .422 OBP .568 SLG .990 OPS 74.8 WAR 320 HR 935 RBI 112 SB



Trout 5157 PA .306 BAVG .419 OBP .582 SLG .991 OPS 72.5 WAR 278 HR 737 RBI 198 SB


Pretty equal to me.

What you quoted was, he isn?t better.

Also, all statistics have outliers.

 

[byco42]

Mantle and Trout wOBA comparison.

wOBA (weighted on base average) measures the value of each individual hit. (outcome). >.400 is "excellent" according to Fangraphs.

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.mlb.com/news/mike-trout-ties-derek-jeter-in-wins-above-replacement
Trout ties his idol Jeter on all-time WAR list.
MLB.com

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/weve-reached-peak-mike-trout-again/
We?ve Reached Peak Mike Trout, Again.
Fangraphs

 

[kalinecountry]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/09/mike-trout-to-undergo-foot-surgery.html
Mike Trout To Undergo Season-Ending Foot Surgery.
MLBTR

 

[tomdalton22]

that's too bad.

I hope he still wins the MVP

 

[tinselwolverine]

that's too bad.

I hope he still wins the MVP

Meh.

His team blows chunks.

Give it to Verlander again.