Missing the big picture in the Clinton email thing

[jwlcosu]

I see a lot of diversionary tactics here.

Favorite tactic of the left. Another of their favs is to cite bad behavior to excuse bad behavior. Very short-sighted.

 

[Sbee]

I see a lot of diversionary tactics here. Hillary screwed the pooch in ways that we would be fitted for orange onesies. And her staff will pay for Hillary's gaffes, her being the accountable person we all know and respect.

If she wasn't running for president the "scandal" would be a non issue. Hopefully the GOP can get back to the real issues like the battle over wedding cake for gay weddings

 

[Spartanmack]

If she wasn't running for president the "scandal" would be a non issue. Hopefully the GOP can get back to the real issues like the battle over wedding cake for gay weddings

Nonsense. She's being investigated by the obama adminstration's DOJ and the FBI - the same groups Obama sicked on many other political opponents. Only a rube or a biased hack would buy into this "blame the GOP" misdirection. Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post tried that same tactic on Morning Joe but even uber-lib Mika Brzezinski called him out on it:

"I think that's a great preview of what we are going to hear, probably next fall about Hillary Clinton and the email server," Robinson said.

"Whoa, whoa, whoa! Even I'm saying that," Brzezinski cut in with.

"Let’s not pretend the truth doesn’t exist, and let’s not hedge around it because we’re frightened," Brzezinski said as she pushed Robinson.

Then 2 days later even he started singing a different tune:

On Sunday's Meet the Press on NBC, Eugene Robinson, columnist for The Washington Post, said about Clinton: “It’s hard to claim this is all just a partisan witch hunt when the Justice Department under a Democratic administration is looking into the whole e-mail mess. So, that doesn’t ring so true.”

Vast right wing conspiracy indeed!

 

[tinselwolverine]

Mika's a Democrat, but I wouldn't call her an uber lib.

She seems to me to be Quite a bit more socially conservative than Scarborough.

EDIT: did she literally physically push Eugene Robinson?

 

[Spartanmack]

Mika's a Democrat, but I wouldn't call her an uber lib.

She seems to me to be Quite a bit more socially conservative than Scarborough.

EDIT: did she literally physically push Eugene Robinson?

I think she's pretty liberal but I believe it was a figurative push as I don't think Robinson was physically in the studio at the time.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I think she's pretty liberal but I believe it was a figurative push as I don't think Robinson was physically in the studio at the time.

Yes if he was physically elsewhere she probably didn't literally push him.

If she had been able to pull that off that would have been a pretty neat trick; I would've started considering supporting her for president for that alone.

 

[Sbee]

Nonsense. She's being investigated by the obama adminstration's DOJ and the FBI - the same groups Obama sicked on many other political opponents. Only a rube or a biased hack would buy into this "blame the GOP" misdirection. Eugene Robinson of the Washington Post tried that same tactic on Morning Joe but even uber-lib Mika Brzezinski called him out on it:



Then 2 days later even he started singing a different tune:



Vast right wing conspiracy indeed!

Please, it's like bill clintons blowjob or obama's birth certificate, it's the latest non issue to become a huge issue with the right and it's all about politics. If it was John Kerry do you really think this would be a big deal? I can't really find a reason to be enraged because our secretary of state used a personal server vs a government server. Fox spends more time on this than all of the screw ups in Iraq that cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives.

Even if this email thing is as big of a deal as they say, where does it compare to real issues? this is all about politics and it happens to be working, her numbers are down and the GOP making her address this over and over again instead of talking about climate change, the wealth gap, russia, iran, or something of importance.

 

[Spartanmack]

Please, it's like bill clintons blowjob or obama's birth certificate, it's the latest non issue to become a huge issue with the right and it's all about politics. If it was John Kerry do you really think this would be a big deal? I can't really find a reason to be enraged because our secretary of state used a personal server vs a government server. Fox spends more time on this than all of the screw ups in Iraq that cost us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives.

Even if this email thing is as big of a deal as they say, where does it compare to real issues? this is all about politics and it happens to be working, her numbers are down and the GOP making her address this over and over again instead of talking about climate change, the wealth gap, russia, iran, or something of importance.

Still can't tell if you're a rube or a partisan hack. Probably both but more of the former. She is being investigated by a Dem DOJ. This is not a right wing conspiracy. Period. End of story. Also, what does the Iraq war have to do with this? Is that a lifetime get out of jail free card for libs - even ones who supported the war and voted for it? And if you can't see the risk of the Sec of State whose job requires sending and receiving classified information every day using a private unsecured and unarchived email server exclusively for all of her government business, and then wiping it clean so she can't be properly investigated then it's really too bad you vote.

It's nothing like bill Clinton's blowjob. Bill Clinton cheated on his wife in the Oval Office then lied straight to the face of the American people about it. Then, like w/ every other participant in his recidivist philandering (except him) Hillary, the Dem party and shockingly, feminists set out to destroy the victim of Clinton's sexual predation and harassment. And liberal rubes ate it up. They actually thought and still think a serial cheater and perjuror was the victim. They believed that, except around women other than his wife, he was actually trustworthy - trustworthy enough to be the POTUS. It so dumb, it's actually laugh out loud funny.

It's also nothing like Barack Obama's birth certificate which wasn't a major issue for any serious candidate or conservatives in general. But the media blew it completely out of proportion and made it sound like every GOP voter was a birther.

 

[zyxt9]

she didn't want to be subject to FOIA.

not to defend her, but this is getting way too much ink in the press relative to its actual harm. in the realm of political scandal and corruption, not using the right email account is pretty minor, no? of course, if like you say, there was something hidden that was particularly damning, like say for example she was actually the architect of the 2003 Iraq Invasion, not Bush's administration... well, then the coverage should focus on that.

stupid Time magazine just drew a parellel between LBJ's struggles in 1968, and Hillary's struggles now, and *actually equated* the Vietnam War with Hillary's use of the wrong email account.

Now it takes a particularly vapid worldview, or extreme partisan bias to get to that point...

I haven't read Time Magazine in about a decade. Last I can remember they were a bit more liberal oriented than conservative, but things change I guess. Take the quality of journalism. Back in LBJ's days people probably thought journalism quality couldn't get much lower.

 

[Sbee]

Still can't tell if you're a rube or a partisan hack. Probably both but more of the former. She is being investigated by a Dem DOJ. This is not a right wing conspiracy. Period. End of story. Also, what does the Iraq war have to do with this? Is that a lifetime get out of jail free card for libs - even ones who supported the war and voted for it? And if you can't see the risk of the Sec of State whose job requires sending and receiving classified information every day using a private unsecured and unarchived email server exclusively for all of her government business, and then wiping it clean so she can't be properly investigated then it's really too bad you vote.

It's nothing like bill Clinton's blowjob. Bill Clinton cheated on his wife in the Oval Office then lied straight to the face of the American people about it. Then, like w/ every other participant in his recidivist philandering (except him) Hillary, the Dem party and shockingly, feminists set out to destroy the victim of Clinton's sexual predation and harassment. And liberal rubes ate it up. They actually thought and still think a serial cheater and perjuror was the victim. They believed that, except around women other than his wife, he was actually trustworthy - trustworthy enough to be the POTUS. It so dumb, it's actually laugh out loud funny.

It's also nothing like Barack Obama's birth certificate which wasn't a major issue for any serious candidate or conservatives in general. But the media blew it completely out of proportion and made it sound like every GOP voter was a birther.

She didn't send or receive any information that was classified at the time on that server, some things may have been classified later but again, what's the horrible end result of this? Nothing, nothing bad happened, nothing was compromised, it was hardly reckless behavior. This is all about poll numbers and keeping Hillary mired in this (I'm not even a Hillary supporter, I'd vote for her reluctantly against one of the GOP clowns other than Rand Paul). This is much ado about nothing, that's why I compare it to Bill's BJ and Obama's birth certificate. Bill lied about getting a blowjob so his wife didn't find out, like that's a big deal. Other countries laugh about the fact that we'll spend millions in taxpayer money investigating something so trivial. The same goes with Obama's citizenship, another non issue that dominates headlines. It's been successful though, poll numbers are dipping and she's answering questions about this as opposed to talking about real issues. This gives republicans a great opportunity to paint her in a less appealing way and highlight the features that voters don't like.

 

[byco42]

Hillary Clinton cares nothing about anyone but herself in the most literal interpretation of this statement. She would sacrifice anyone of us at anytime to gain the presidency. She craves power and influence and does not care who suffers or who benefits from it. That is her sole objective.

 

[Spartanmack]

She didn't send or receive any information that was classified at the time on that server, some things may have been classified later but again, what's the horrible end result of this? Nothing, nothing bad happened, nothing was compromised, it was hardly reckless behavior. This is all about poll numbers and keeping Hillary mired in this (I'm not even a Hillary supporter, I'd vote for her reluctantly against one of the GOP clowns other than Rand Paul). This is much ado about nothing, that's why I compare it to Bill's BJ and Obama's birth certificate. Bill lied about getting a blowjob so his wife didn't find out, like that's a big deal. Other countries laugh about the fact that we'll spend millions in taxpayer money investigating something so trivial. The same goes with Obama's citizenship, another non issue that dominates headlines. It's been successful though, poll numbers are dipping and she's answering questions about this as opposed to talking about real issues. This gives republicans a great opportunity to paint her in a less appealing way and highlight the features that voters don't like.

How do you know nothing was compromised? And how can you say that everything was retroactively classified without a complete accounting that we may never get? How can you even believe that nothing sent or received on the server, it being her only form of electronic communication while Sec of State, ever had anything classified? Doesn't that seem completely impossible?

Also, you realize people who cheat on their wives, particularly serial sexual predators don't necessarily possess the best moral compass, correct? And Bill lied to the ENTIRE country so his wife wouldn't find out he'd cheated on her for the 5th time - honestly, after you've been caught 4 times, to quote one of the great political minds of our time "what difference does it make?". The idea that people think that's acceptable behavior for the leader of the free world is incomprehensible to me, particularly when he, his wife and the entire political machine address the issue by destroying the victims. This excuse that we should be ashamed because other countries "laugh at us" for investigating a scumbag President who perjured himself is absurd. What's funny to me is that any American cares that a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys in Paris think it's funny that we care that our President lies to us and treats his sacred commitment w/ casual indifference.

If you know someone who constantly cheats on their wife, do you want to be friends with that person? would you trust him around your family? Do you think they could be trusted to enough to conduct business with them? How that kind of behavior isn't an automatic disqualifier for President among voters is nuts.

 

[Thumb]

Hillary Clinton cares nothing about anyone but herself in the most literal interpretation of this statement. She would sacrifice anyone of us at anytime to gain the presidency. She craves power and influence and does not care who suffers or who benefits from it. That is her sole objective.

Same can be said of almost any presidential candidate ever.

 

[Thumb]

How do you know nothing was compromised? And how can you say that everything was retroactively classified without a complete accounting that we may never get? How can you even believe that the nothing sent or received on the server, being her only form of electronic communication while Sec of State, ever had anything classified? Doesn't that seem completely impossible?

Also, you realize people who cheat on their wives, particularly serial sexual predators don't necessarily possess the best moral compass, correct? And Bill lied to the ENTIRE country so his wife wouldn't find out he'd cheated on her for the 5th time. The idea that people think that's acceptable behavior for the leader of the free world is incomprehensible to me, particularly when he, his wife and the entire political machine address the issue by destroying the victims. This excuse that we should be ashamed because other countries "laugh at us" for investigating a scumbag President who perjured himself is absurd. What's funny to me is that any American cares that a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys in Paris think it's funny that we care that our President lies to us and treats his sacred commitment w/ casual indifference.

If you know someone who constantly cheats on their wife, do you want to be friends with that person? would you trust him around your family? Do you think they could be trusted to enough to conduct business with them? How that kind of behavior isn't an automatic disqualifier for President among voters is nuts.

The fact that he lied to the country is sort of irrelevant when you consider it's none of the country's business what his sex life entails. I mean lets be honest about this, if you were question about your sexual practices you would tell everyone it was none of their business as well.

And as far as the ridiculous notion that it should be a "disqualifier" among voters should be answered by the fact that he was pretty damn good at his job. His 8 years were far better then the 15 since he left office. And lets not forget that the guy asking those questions and faking all that moral outrage was just as guilty with his infidelity, but nobody seems to really care about that.

 

[Spartanmack]

The fact that he lied to the country is sort of irrelevant when you consider it's none of the country's business what his sex life entails. I mean lets be honest about this, if you were question about your sexual practices you would tell everyone it was none of their business as well.

And as far as the ridiculous notion that it should be a "disqualifier" among voters should be answered by the fact that he was pretty damn good at his job. His 8 years were far better then the 15 since he left office. And lets not forget that the guy asking those questions and faking all that moral outrage was just as guilty with his infidelity, but nobody seems to really care about that.

No, it's not irrelevant that the President so casually told a bald faced lie, under oath. Also, he didn't tell everyone that it was none of their business. When questioned about it, he ran a campaign of obstruction, then he lied.

 

[Sbee]

Hillary Clinton cares nothing about anyone but herself in the most literal interpretation of this statement. She would sacrifice anyone of us at anytime to gain the presidency. She craves power and influence and does not care who suffers or who benefits from it. That is her sole objective.

Again, not a big Hillary supporter but being passionate about wanting the office isn't a reason to disqualify someone IMO.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Clinton definitely committed perjury in a civil legal proceeding involving a sexual harassment complaint.

I would have advised House Republicans (had they asked me) not to persue impeachment for this in the face of a virtually straight partisan vote.

Not worth the political capital.

The public didn't want the distraction/disruption over something like that.

 

[byco42]

Same can be said of almost any presidential candidate ever.

Lincoln? Kennedy? Carter? Garfield? US Grant? Truman? Eisenhower? Reagan? Clinton? Washington?

Their (and many others not listed) "sole objective" was to acquire power and influence? Ridiculous.

 

[Sbee]

How do you know nothing was compromised? And how can you say that everything was retroactively classified without a complete accounting that we may never get? How can you even believe that nothing sent or received on the server, it being her only form of electronic communication while Sec of State, ever had anything classified? Doesn't that seem completely impossible?

Also, you realize people who cheat on their wives, particularly serial sexual predators don't necessarily possess the best moral compass, correct? And Bill lied to the ENTIRE country so his wife wouldn't find out he'd cheated on her for the 5th time - honestly, after you've been caught 4 times, to quote one of the great political minds of our time "what difference does it make?". The idea that people think that's acceptable behavior for the leader of the free world is incomprehensible to me, particularly when he, his wife and the entire political machine address the issue by destroying the victims. This excuse that we should be ashamed because other countries "laugh at us" for investigating a scumbag President who perjured himself is absurd. What's funny to me is that any American cares that a bunch of cheese eating surrender monkeys in Paris think it's funny that we care that our President lies to us and treats his sacred commitment w/ casual indifference.

If you know someone who constantly cheats on their wife, do you want to be friends with that person? would you trust him around your family? Do you think they could be trusted to enough to conduct business with them? How that kind of behavior isn't an automatic disqualifier for President among voters is nuts.

as for the email server that we're so concerned about, there is no evidence that anyone was able to hack into or gain access to her email. The way information is classified is complicated, it's impossible to know if something that isn't classified today will be classified tomorrow, but the nations top diplomat should know that some of it would end up as classified, that's an error in judgement. I don't see any problem with her wiping or deleting personal emails, those are her business and not subject to scrutiny. Should she had someone go through all 30k emails and determine which ones were personal and which were government related independently?

question for you, what is the horrible negative result that came from Hillary using a personal email server? does that justify the attention being paid to it?

 

[byco42]

Again, not a big Hillary supporter but being passionate about wanting the office isn't a reason to disqualify someone IMO.

That's not the issue. Wanting the office, I mean. (though there are a few presidents who didn't). Hillary does not CARE a THING for you or me. In fact, she holds you and me in the highest contempt. We are not, and never will be her equal in her eyes. She considers herself superior to you and me. She does not believe that the rules that govern you and me apply to her.

She has a history of this and takes the sense of entitlement and un-accountability that many "Washington-Types" possess to very high levels.