Missing the big picture in the Clinton email thing

[Sbee]

That's not the issue. Wanting the office, I mean. (though there are a few presidents who didn't). Hillary does not CARE a THING for you or me. In fact, she holds you and me in the highest contempt. We are not, and never will be her equal in her eyes. She considers herself superior to you and me. She does not believe that the rules that govern you and me apply to her.

She has a history of this and takes the sense of entitlement and un-accountability that many "Washington-Types" possess to very high levels.

wow that's a lot of speculation.

Jeb Bush opposed treatment vs jail time for non violent drug offenders though his daughter was caught in possession of crack cocaine and was later charged with prescription fraud. He advocated treatment and privacy for his daughter but incarceration and humiliation for others. I'm not saying you're a Jeb supporter but that's how you cite examples of someone who feels that the rules that govern us don't apply to you or your family.

 

[byco42]

wow that's a lot of speculation.

Jeb Bush opposed treatment vs jail time for non violent drug offenders though his daughter was caught in possession of crack cocaine and was later charged with prescription fraud. He advocated treatment and privacy for his daughter but incarceration and humiliation for others. I'm not saying you're a Jeb supporter but that's how you cite examples of someone who feels that the rules that govern us don't apply to you or your family.

If you choose to look the other way while politicians like Hillary steal our personal sovereignty and gain personal power and influence in the process, you deserve the fallout from doing so, if you can recognize it as such. Maybe you want to be subjugated.

 

[biggunsbob]

Didn't Colin Powell just come out and say he used his own personal Email? Pretty sure The Bush administration had their own problems with emails.. I just think if the GOP wants to win the white house they should be focused on other things then this.. But this is the playbook to a T. It's worked a few times so maybe the GOP hate playbook will win work again.. Hate sure is working for Trump sadly..

 

[Michchamp]

That's not the issue. Wanting the office, I mean. (though there are a few presidents who didn't). Hillary does not CARE a THING for you or me. In fact, she holds you and me in the highest contempt. We are not, and never will be her equal in her eyes. She considers herself superior to you and me. She does not believe that the rules that govern you and me apply to her.

She has a history of this and takes the sense of entitlement and un-accountability that many "Washington-Types" possess to very high levels.

I agree with you on all this, I just hope you apply this same standard to... well... just about every GOP candidate.

 

[Michchamp]

Didn't Colin Powell just come out and say he used his own personal Email? Pretty sure The Bush administration had their own problems with emails..

They SURE did, Bob: link.

See also: Cheney's private meetings with oil executives where they refused to release meeting notes, agendas, or even lists of who attended, for another example of corrupt self-interest and contempt for the public.

A large number of the same people going on ad nauseum about Billary's emails were not concerned at all by these earlier abuses of power and public records laws.

 

[byco42]

I agree with you on all this, I just hope you apply this same standard to... well... just about every GOP candidate.

Christie, Trump, Graham, Bush for sure. And a lot of the Republicans holding office in the house and senate. The other candidates have to either prove it to me or I have to dig a little.

It's moot anyway. Biden is going to be the DEM presidential nominee. We can look back and see if I was right or wrong.

 

[Sbee]

Didn't Colin Powell just come out and say he used his own personal Email? Pretty sure The Bush administration had their own problems with emails.. I just think if the GOP wants to win the white house they should be focused on other things then this.. But this is the playbook to a T. It's worked a few times so maybe the GOP hate playbook will win work again.. Hate sure is working for Trump sadly..

If kerry did the same thing as clinton it would violate the current policies where you have to copy or forward every work email sent to a private account for 20 days. Hillary's email usage did not violate the policies when she was in office, but it didn't meet the administrations best practices and was discouraged by the state department.

 

[Michchamp]

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It's moot anyway. Biden is going to be the DEM presidential nominee. We can look back and see if I was right or wrong.

Eh... I hope you're right I guess. If Bernie Sanders managed to get the nomination, I think the DNC would purposely throw the election.

President Amtrak Joe Biden

We could do a lot worse than a moderate, occasionally pro-war Democrat, for sure.

 

[Spartanmack]

question for you, what is the horrible negative result that came from Hillary using a personal email server? does that justify the attention being paid to it?

We may never know as it may be impossible to discover. The fact that she decided which emails were personal and which were government business is an indication of the contempt byco mentions that she has for her subjects and peers (although she probably doesn't think she has any). It may also have been a crime or a cover-up of other crimes. But, if people don't see this contempt or the even the possibility that it could be (I personally think it's more likely than not) a horrible negative, they're being naive. And whatever Jeb did to protect his daughter is irrelevant to this discussion - her guilt or innocence is not determined on a relative basis. Same goes for Bush - his apparent hypocrisy isn't ok because what some Dem did is worse.

 

[Thumb]

No, it's not irrelevant that the President so casually told a bald faced lie, under oath. Also, he didn't tell everyone that it was none of their business. When questioned about it, he ran a campaign of obstruction, then he lied.

Yes, he lied under oath. About something that had no bearing on his ability to run the country.

But the main point is he shouldn't have been asked in the first place.

 

[Spartanmack]

If kerry did the same thing as clinton it would violate the current policies where you have to copy or forward every work email sent to a private account for 20 days. Hillary's email usage did not violate the policies when she was in office, but it didn't meet the administrations best practices and was discouraged by the state department.

Doesn't this assume none of the communications were classified and if they were, wasn't she violating policy re: security and possibly committing a crime?

 

[Michchamp]

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question for you, what is the horrible negative result that came from Hillary using a personal email server? does that justify the attention being paid to it?

maybe it would come out that she had ignored her own intelligence agencies, and put forward bad intelligence in order to justify invading and occupying some hapless 3rd world dictatorship at a cost of nearly $800 BILLION dollars to American taxpayers.

 

[Spartanmack]

maybe it would come out that she had ignored her own intelligence agencies, and put forward bad intelligence in order to justify invading and occupying some hapless 3rd world dictatorship at a cost of nearly $800 BILLION dollars to American taxpayers.

Iraq was worse. Der, derrrr, derrrrrrrrr.

 

[Michchamp]

Iraq was worse. Der, derrrr, derrrrrrrrr.

Derr?

And that's not what I'm saying.

 

[Spartanmack]

Derr?

And that's not what I'm saying.

yes, it is what you're saying. It's all you've been saying since I started reading your drivel.

 

[Thumb]

Lincoln? Kennedy? Carter? Garfield? US Grant? Truman? Eisenhower? Reagan? Clinton? Washington?

Their (and many others not listed) "sole objective" was to acquire power and influence? Ridiculous.

"Sole objective" is your term, your opinion on the matter.

But yes other than Washington, who never wanted the job, almost every other candidate trying to get elected would do whatever it took to get elected. There is a reason politicians are often considers liars, cheats, etc. and campaigns are full of mud slinging and backstabbing.

And while I'm not a big fan of Hillary, I seriously doubt she is anywhere even remotely as bad as you think when compared to other candidates in terms of what her "sole objectives" are.

 

[Spartanmack]

"Sole objective" is your term, your opinion on the matter.

But yes other than Washington, who never wanted the job, almost every other candidate trying to get elected would do whatever it took to get elected. There is a reason politicians are often considers liars, cheats, etc. and campaigns are full of mud slinging and backstabbing.

And while I'm not a big fan of Hillary, I seriously doubt she is anywhere even remotely as bad as you think when compared to other candidates in terms of what her "sole objectives" are.

If she's done 10% of the things she's suspected of doing (I'll take the over on 85%), she's a sociopath. This scandal magnet is unrivaled in what she's willing to do to satisfy her greed and ambition.

 

[Michchamp]

yes, it is what you're saying. It's all you've been saying since I started reading your drivel.

Fine... that's what I'm saying. you disagree? you have more of a problem with this, than "relying on bad intel" - or whatever BS excuse du jour put forward - and getting involved in a war that cost 100K+ lives and nearly a trillion dollars?

 

[Spartanmack]

Fine... that's what I'm saying. you disagree? you have more of a problem with this, than "relying on bad intel" - or whatever BS excuse du jour put forward - and getting involved in a war that cost 100K+ lives and nearly a trillion dollars?

We're not talking about Bush or the Iraq war. All I have to say about that is your routine is old and tired - don't have a response for criticism of one of your beloved Dems? No problem, just steer the conversation to Iraq with your old and tired propaganda and make it about how Bush was worse.

 

[Spartanmack]

Yes, he lied under oath. About something that had no bearing on his ability to run the country.

But the main point is he shouldn't have been asked in the first place.

Your main point is incorrect. Lewinsky lied in a sworn affidavit submitted in the Paula Jones case. When Linda Tripp revealed Lewinsky's statement to be false, the question not only should have but had to be asked and should have been answered honestly. Instead, the President of the United States committed perjury and his c u next Tuesday wife sought to destroy the lives of Jones, Lewinsky and trip just like she did with flowers and would later do with Kathleen Willey - instead of leaving her serial philanderer of a husband because she needed him to achieve her lofty ambitions in the pursuit of which she holds herself out it be a champion of women's rights. Maybe she just means women who her husband doesn't bang, harass or grope in an attempt to coerce sex from them.