Missing the big picture in the Clinton email thing

[Spartanmack]

you would have to be able to prove intent, that she knowingly forwarded classified information. If she only received classified email on her personal account, that's not an issue since you can't control what's sent to you. If you forwarded it along without knowing that it was classified that's not a crime, thanks to the intent requirement of the law. She would have a compelling defense if it came down to it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/21/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821

The new stamps indicate that some of Clinton's emails from her time as the nation's most senior diplomat are filled with a type of information the U.S. government and the department's own regulations automatically deems classified from the get-go — regardless of whether it is already marked that way or not...

This sort of information, which the department says Clinton both sent and received in her emails, is the only kind that must be "presumed" classified, in part to protect national security and the integrity of diplomatic interactions, according to U.S. regulations examined by Reuters

I forget, can we trust Reuters or are they part of the vast right wing conspiracy? Also, can the person that run the State Department plead ignorance to the department's own regulations - is that a valid defense?

 

[tinselwolverine]

Are there any progressives on this board who are even intending to vote for Clinton in the primaries?

Most of you indicate you don't much care for her.

If I were a Democrat I'd prefer she get out of the race and make way for Biden to face off for the nomination against Sanders.

 

[Sbee]

She is a horrible human being who thinks rules and laws only apply to the little people. People like that don't make good presidents.

You you're saying that Jeb bush wouldn't make a good president, right?

 

[Sbee]

Are there any progressives on this board who are even intending to vote for Clinton in the primaries?

Most of you indicate you don't much care for her.

If I were a Democrat I'd prefer she get out of the race and make way for Biden to face off for the nomination against Sanders.

No, I'd vote for her only as an alternative to a GOP candidate other than Rand. I'd vote for Bernie or biden over hillary. I'm not a registered democrat though.

 

[Sbee]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/21/us-usa-election-clinton-emails-idUSKCN0QQ0BW20150821



I forget, can we trust Reuters or are they part of the vast right wing conspiracy? Also, can the person that run the State Department plead ignorance to the department's own regulations - is that a valid defense?

Didn't read the article but the investigation isn't criminal and it isn't focused only on her. If you can prove her intent you have a case. I don't have a problem with her deleting personal email but I understand the doubt of her being the judge of what was personal vs government.

I still think this is all about politics though, at least for the GOP. For the media it's all about keeping those people's eyes glued to the screen like a Malaysian airliner disappeared. There are far more important issues to discuss

 

[Spartanmack]

Didn't read the article but the investigation isn't criminal and it isn't focused only on her. If you can prove her intent you have a case. I don't have a problem with her deleting personal email but I understand the doubt of her being the judge of what was personal vs government.

I still think this is all about politics though, at least for the GOP. For the media it's all about keeping those people's eyes glued to the screen like a Malaysian airliner disappeared. There are far more important issues to discuss

well, how about you read the article first. It says some of the info in the emails is "born classified" and Hillary as head of the State Department knew it. It's covered by her nondisclosure agreements. If true, and according to J. William Leonard, a former director of the U.S. government's Information Security Oversight Office (ISOO), it is in fact true, there's your proof.

 

[Spartanmack]

You you're saying that Jeb bush wouldn't make a good president, right?

I do not think Jeb Bush would make a good President and this isn't the first time I've said that on DSF.

Edit: but I don't think he's nearly as bad a human being as Hillary is.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I do not think Jeb Bush would make a good President and this isn't the first time I've said that on DSF.

Edit: but I don't think he's nearly as bad a human being as Hillary is.

If I were a registered Republican I would vote for somebody other than Jeb Bush for the nomination.

I have Bush AND Clinton fatigue both.

 

[Spartanmack]

If I were a registered Republican I would vote for somebody other than Jeb Bush for the nomination.

I have Bush AND Clinton fatigue both.

I have fatigue of (and contempt for) both as well.

 

[Michchamp]

Jeb certainly seems like a more chill person, and reasonable; no caustic ambition, like Billary has. but then again, he was born into wealth and immense privilege, so you wouldn't expect it so much.

paradoxically though, it's not about Jeb or Billary as much as what kind of people they'd pack their administration with. Jeb would sit by like his brother did, while warmongering neocons packed the State Dept., the DOD, etc.

 

[Sbee]

She is a horrible human being who thinks rules and laws only apply to the little people. People like that don't make good presidents.

These opinions are the ones that are driving the email story, it's more about the hatred from Spartanmack and byco than actual substance, there's nothing there really or if there is something it's significance is minimal. People on the right detest liberals and they detest the clintons, mainly because they are the standard bearers for the democratic party. The networks want to fan these flames as much as possible to keep people glued to the tv, but again, much ado about nothing. If you hate the Clintons and would take huge exception to 4 or 8 more years of them in office, the email "scandal" is a medium to channel that hatred and potentially derail her ability to win the office (it's been working).

Let's stop pretending that this is really about emails.

 

[Sbee]

If I were a registered Republican I would vote for somebody other than Jeb Bush for the nomination.

I have Bush AND Clinton fatigue both.

If it came down to it I'd hold my nose and vote for her over Trump, Rubio, Bush, Carson, etc.

I don't care for any of them but I'd rather have a president that would appoint justices that would overturn citizens united, don't get stressed out about gay wedding cake, and don't think that weather patterns and events are caused by God's will. Truly the lesser of two evils, both sides are bad but one is bat shit crazy.

 

[biggunsbob]

She is a horrible human being who thinks rules and laws only apply to the little people. People like that don't make good presidents.

Come on SM.. Seriously. How many little people fried under Bush and Cheney and many other administrations ?

 

[Spartanmack]

Come on SM.. Seriously. How many little people fried under Bush and Cheney and many other administrations ?

It's hard to take you seriously bob when your defense of every Dem is Bush was worse.

 

[Spartanmack]

These opinions are the ones that are driving the email story, it's more about the hatred from Spartanmack and byco than actual substance, there's nothing there really or if there is something it's significance is minimal. People on the right detest liberals and they detest the clintons, mainly because they are the standard bearers for the democratic party. The networks want to fan these flames as much as possible to keep people glued to the tv, but again, much ado about nothing. If you hate the Clintons and would take huge exception to 4 or 8 more years of them in office, the email "scandal" is a medium to channel that hatred and potentially derail her ability to win the office (it's been working).

Let's stop pretending that this is really about emails.

People detest the Clinton's because they're horrible people. They lie, cheat and steal and Dems love them for it. And the fact that they are standard bearers is a greater indictment of the Dem base than any hate you think is coming from the right. It's always something with those two and sheep like you think there's nothing to any of it because you buy into the most ridiculous excuses. You just said you didn't read the Reuters article - your mind is already made up. For you. By the Clinton machine. The fact that others chose to think for themselves and not let the Clinton's, their apologists or defenders insult their intelligence doesn't mean they hate liberals, it just means they're not sheep.

Do you really think as Secretary of State, who exclusively used a private email address on an private server she personally arranged and controlled, then personally decided what emails should be handed over to the government never actually received or sent classified information? Of course you don't but since no one can currently prove she did you claim that it's no big deal and use it to justify your hatred of conservatives, even though she's being investigated by other Dems.

 

[biggunsbob]

It's hard to take you seriously bob when your defense of every Dem is Bush was worse.

Holy crap you do the same darn thing.. Your hatred for anything Obama and Hillary is the same darn thing.. I have mentioned many other administrations and their flaws and you just shrug your shoulders at it. I am very much aware in the flaws of a lot of democrats Please do the same when it comes to the ones your cheer for.. You cannot be this Naive to want a any of the Hawkish Neo-cons back in power. It baffles me How some just shrug off deaths of people.

 

[Spartanmack]

Holy crap you do the same darn thing.. Your hatred for anything Obama and Hillary is the same darn thing.. I have mentioned many other administrations and their flaws and you just shrug your shoulders at it. I am very much aware in the flaws of a lot of democrats Please do the same when it comes to the ones your cheer for.. You cannot be this Naive to want a any of the Hawkish Neo-cons back in power. It baffles me How some just shrug off deaths of people.

Show me one instance where I defended a conservative by saying Obama or Clinton or some other Dem was worse.

 

[biggunsbob]

People detest the Clinton's because they're horrible people. They lie, cheat and steal and Dems love them for it. And the fact that they are standard bearers is a greater indictment of the Dem base than any hate you think is coming from the right. It's always something with those two and sheep like you think there's nothing to any of it because you buy into the most ridiculous excuses. You just said you didn't read the Reuters article - your mind is already made up. For you. By the Clinton machine. The fact that others chose to think for themselves and not let the Clinton's, their apologists or defenders insult their intelligence doesn't mean they hate liberals, it just means they're not sheep.

Do you really think as Secretary of State, who exclusively used a private email address on an private server she personally arranged and controlled, then personally decided what emails should be handed over to the government never actually received or sent classified information? Of course you don't but since no one can currently prove she did you claim that it's no big deal and use it to justify your hatred of conservatives, even though she's being investigated by other Dems.
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[biggunsbob]

People detest the Clinton's because they're horrible people. They lie, cheat and steal and Dems love them for it. And the fact that they are standard bearers is a greater indictment of the Dem base than any hate you think is coming from the right. It's always something with those two and sheep like you think there's nothing to any of it because you buy into the most ridiculous excuses. You just said you didn't read the Reuters article - your mind is already made up. For you. By the Clinton machine. The fact that others chose to think for themselves and not let the Clinton's, their apologists or defenders insult their intelligence doesn't mean they hate liberals, it just means they're not sheep.

Do you really think as Secretary of State, who exclusively used a private email address on an private server she personally arranged and controlled, then personally decided what emails should be handed over to the government never actually received or sent classified information? Of course you don't but since no one can currently prove she did you claim that it's no big deal and use it to justify your hatred of conservatives, even though she's being investigated by other Dems.
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The Kennedy family.. The Bush family. Political dynasty's not from being nice. I am sure the Clinton's are terrible people like you said. Reagan was terrible.. Roosevelt's always found a way.. Probably many others..
Where have you been when it comes to politics.There are not very many clean ones out there just a lot of pandering and you know it.. Both sides do it constantly. Citizens United, Pacts from both sides.... If you want to fix it all get the dirty money out of both sides and let every candidate spend the same amount.

 

[biggunsbob]

Sorry hit the wrong button...