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[Spartanmack]

I don't think using a (corrupt) city that recently declared bankruptcy because it can't manage it's finances is a fair example. But I will concede that there are exceptions, especially when misplaced/misallocated funds due to error/greed have been known to take place.

I would be willing to bet that when plotted on a graph, while it obviously won't be sloped perfectly, the data would support my comments. If I have time later, I might try to make one. Data is beautiful.

ok, but aren't these the districts everyone is most worried about? and if they're victims of a corrupt city that recently declared bankruptcy, do you think throwing more money at them will fix it?

Also, do you really think Detroit of all places is actually unique among major cities - do you think other failing major urban school districts aren't among the higher funded public schools in their states? I actually don't know but I highly doubt Detroit is a rare example. I look forward to seeing the graph.

 

[tinselwolverine]

K-12 responsibility has always been left to the states primarily, pretty sure it's in the Constitution but I'm not sure. So to answer your question, unless Devos makes some sweeping changes to some long standing laws, not much (on the K-12 level that is).

I am more then not sure nor pretty sure. I absolutely know factually that there is nothing in the United States Constitution about public education at all.

As far as whatever the hell that rich lady from Michigan's name is that now heads The United States department of education, her qualifications or lack there of are inconsequential because she has a job that shouldn't exist in the first place, overseeing a government department that shouldn't exist at all.

 

[sggatecl]

I am more then not sure nor pretty sure. I absolutely know factually that there is nothing in the United States Constitution about public education at all.

As far as whatever the hell that rich lady from Michigan's name is that now heads The United States department of education, her qualifications or lack there of are inconsequential because she has a job that shouldn't exist in the first place, overseeing a government department that shouldn't exist at all.

I meant each state's constitution. I worded that horribly now that I reread it. In the 70's the Supreme Court ruled that an education is not a constitutional right. Alabama is a shining example of this fact.

If you don't think the Department of Education should exist, would you eliminate eligibility for Federal student loans? Do you leave each state to decide whether disabled kids receive equal treatment to normal kids? They're responsible for a lot of programs and oversight, it's not strictly a funding issue. I'm not saying it can't be done, just curious as to what you'd do.

 

[sggatecl]

ok, but aren't these the districts everyone is most worried about? and if they're victims of a corrupt city that recently declared bankruptcy, do you think throwing more money at them will fix it?

Also, do you really think Detroit of all places is actually unique among major cities - do you think other failing major urban school districts aren't among the higher funded public schools in their states? I actually don't know but I highly doubt Detroit is a rare example. I look forward to seeing the graph.

I'm not saying throw more money at the problem. I'm saying don't take away what they're getting now.

And I would say Detroit is a unique situation as it's the largest municipality to declare bankruptcy in US History. I'm not saying it's the only urban area to struggle with education, we all know it's not. Just saying no other urban area holds a candle to Detroit's failures. Boston, Pittsburgh, and NYC all do very well especially considering their size.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I meant each state's constitution. I worded that horribly now that I reread it. In the 70's the Supreme Court ruled that an education is not a constitutional right. Alabama is a shining example of this fact.

If you don't think the Department of Education should exist, would you eliminate eligibility for Federal student loans? Do you leave each state to decide whether disabled kids receive equal treatment to normal kids? They're responsible for a lot of programs and oversight, it's not strictly a funding issue. I'm not saying it can't be done, just curious as to what you'd do.

Yes and yes.

States are much better equipped for this than the Federal Government - which they already strive to do anyway, again - much more effectively than the Federal Government.

Even the State of Alabama, almost 50 years after 1970.

EDIT: Oh, shoot...I missed...football joke...been celebrating Michigan's long overdue win at IU with a couple beers...

The Federal Department of Education is not going to be able to fix the corruption nor the misdeeds of Nick Saban.

 

[KAWDUP]

Well he could just quit.

Once he realizes that he can't just fire the legislative nor judicial branches of government when they don't just do everything he tells them to, he could be all, like, "fuck this shit. I'm out of here."

Unfortunately, I will take that bet that he lasts 4 years. You think with his Trump sized ego, he would ever quit? LOL, doubtful. "Otherwise" to me sounds nefarious - that is why I posted.

 

[Gulo Blue]

Unfortunately, I will take that bet that he lasts 4 years. You think with his Trump sized ego, he would ever quit? LOL, doubtful. "Otherwise" to me sounds nefarious - that is why I posted.

I think he'll do what he wants and call it what he wants. If he wants to quit, he'll quit and call it a victory over the people that wanted him there so they could blame him for stuff that wasn't his fault.

 

[KAWDUP]

I am more then not sure nor pretty sure. I absolutely know factually that there is nothing in the United States Constitution about public education at all.

As far as whatever the hell that rich lady from Michigan's name is that now heads The United States department of education, her qualifications or lack there of are inconsequential because she has a job that shouldn't exist in the first place, overseeing a government department that shouldn't exist at all.

Exactly. Maybe she was named to the post specifically to be in charge of the dismantling of the Federal Department of Education. Would make sense based on her qualifications.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect a number of these appointments are for just that reason. EPA too.

 

[sggatecl]

Trump baffles Sweden with crime comment, says it was based on TV report

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-sweden-idUSKBN15Y0QH?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Reuters%2FworldNews+%28Reuters+World+News%29

A day after falsely suggesting there was an immigration-related security incident in Sweden, President Donald Trump said on Sunday his comment was based on a television report he had seen.

Trump, who in his first weeks in office has tried to tighten U.S. borders sharply for national security reasons, told a rally on Saturday that Sweden was having serious problems with immigrants.

"You look at what's happening last night in Sweden," Trump said. "Sweden. Who would believe this? Sweden. They took in large numbers. They're having problems like they never thought possible."

No incident occurred in Sweden and the country's baffled government asked the U.S. State Department to explain.

"My statement as to what's happening in Sweden was in reference to a story that was broadcast on @FoxNews concerning immigrants & Sweden," Trump said in a tweet on Sunday.

Who needs to sit in on briefings and meetings when you have Twitter and Fox News? What a fucking clown show.

Come on Trumpets, spin this one favorably! I believe in you!

 

[Gulo Blue]

Trevor Noah made a point the other day about how people forget he's 70 years old and we shouldn't be surprised that he likes to watch cable news and complain about it all day.

 

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[biggunsbob]

Good piece on charter schools. I posted it before.. charter schools are a mixed bad of successes and failures.


https://youtu.be/l_htSPGAY7I

 

[biggunsbob]

Pros and cons of Devos.

http://etale.org/main/2017/02/06/10-pros-and-10-cons-of-devos-as-ive-heard-them-so-far/


And six issues where her views are still unclear.

http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/campaign-k-12/2017/01/six_education_policy_issues_betsy_devos.html

 

[biggunsbob]

Maybe letting the states handle it would be ok but my guess is there would then be a wide range between states on what they would cover and not cover. As many articles as you see on keeping it there are just as many people who want it abolished. Do the for profit run schools really have the best interest of the student in their minds or is it the profitability of said school.


Here are some things to think about of the Dept. of education is eliminated.
This is from a 2015 think progress article when they were talking about when Paul Rand wanted to eliminate the the dept. the big issues may just be oversight and enforcement of laws.

Here is the whole article

https://thinkprogress.org/heres-wha...partment-of-education-1010f01cd708#.cxn4oqxmk

1. We wouldn’t have a federal department to administer Pell Grants to students.

2.There wouldn’t be a department to check on rampant inequality between low-income school districts and wealthy districts.

3.We would have inconsistent education data, as the quality of data would vary among the states.

4. There would be more gender discrimination within schools.

5. There would be no way to hold schools accountable for the funds they receive.

 

[dubbsco]

That's what cracked me up in the Bernie talk. There was this weird tone that Bernie's this old, decrepit man and Trump is this young energetic buck. Dude's like 5 years younger than Bernie.

 

[tomdalton22]

I don't think using a (corrupt) city that recently declared bankruptcy because it can't manage it's finances is a fair example. But I will concede that there are exceptions, especially when misplaced/misallocated funds due to error/greed have been known to take place.

I would be willing to bet that when plotted on a graph, while it obviously won't be sloped perfectly, the data would support my comments. If I have time later, I might try to make one. Data is beautiful.

Hasn't the Detroit public school system been terrible for decades?

 

[sggatecl]

Hasn't the Detroit public school system been terrible for decades?

Detroit has been terrible for decades.