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NFL investigating Patriots' footballs

biggunsbob said:
I don't know why this does not bother me... I mean I really don't like the Pat's other then Brady.. Didn't Seattle lead the lead in PED use this year or last? Seem like that is a bigger issue not ever mentioned... Footballs with less air? Weird because the Pat's rushed for a billion yards last weekend. Why would they need it verses a inferior opponent such as the Colts?
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They wouldn't but its the pats who are full of themselves. They do it just because..

Were the Colts footballs deflated? I think NE was trying to pull a fast one..
 
Here's a question: Did Brady know? Or was that information kept from him?
 
It would actually help the RB hold onto the ball better, especially in wet weather. Less chances to fumble when running it is a potential motive in addition to a perceived passing and catching advantage.

It will be interesting to see hiw the NFL handles this. Loss of all draft picks and Bellicheat suspension perhaps?

Better penalty would be to force the Lions and Pats to trade all wins and personnel. Of course, as Lions they would lose, but I digress.
 
Anyone have video of the INT that initiated this? Just curious if the guy makes any obvious expressions or anything to indicate his awareness that the ball was deflated. Pretty interesting he picked up on it, seems in the adrenaline of the moment the recognition and awareness to give the ball to the Colts staff is pretty impressive. Most guys would be too busy celebrating to notice it, which could explain why it had previously gone unnoticed by opponents.
 
byco42 said:
Here's a question: Did Brady know? Or was that information kept from him?
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He could probably tell the balls seemed a little squishy, but he was in the dark until each time the center snapped it to him.

And then of course, as soon as the football leaves his hand, he's going to be focusing on the next play.

They often rotate the balls in and out from play to play, so of course there's no way that Brady is going to know whether or not the ball that is snapped to him next is a little squishy until he actually receives the snap.

And then of course, once again his mind is going to turn to the next play as soon as the ball leaves his hand.

Plausible deniability.
 
tinselwolverine said:
He could probably tell the balls seemed a little squishy, but he was in the dark until each time the center snapped it to him.

And then of course, as soon as the football leaves his hand, he's going to be focusing on the next play.

They often rotate the balls in and out from play to play, so of course there's no way that Brady is going to know whether or not the ball that is snapped to him next is a little squishy until he actually receives the snap.

And then of course, once again his mind is going to turn to the next play as soon as the ball leaves his hand.

Plausible deniability.
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Keep thinking that, each QB personally throws all the balls before the game and rubs each one down to assure they can grip each one. Well not all the balls, 11 of 12, the 12th one is usually the one they use for the kicking game, that would be the one that was still inflated.

That's the most damning piece of evidence, that the 12th ball was left inflated for the kicker and punter. They cheated, plain and simple, they probably cheated in a much closer game the week before too.
 
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johnny2x2x said:
Keep thinking that, each QB personally throws all the balls before the game and rubs each one down to assure they can grip each one. Well not all the balls, 11 of 12, the 12th one is usually the one they use for the kicking game, that would be the one that was still inflated.

That's the most damning piece of evidence, that the 12th ball was left inflated for the kicker and punter. They cheated, plain and simple, they probably cheated in a much closer game the week before too.
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My understanding is those 12 balls are not used for kicking. There are 8 separate footballs that are marked for kicking for each game. Now the Ravens are saying they think the kicking balls were underinflated during their playoff game.

But they "cheated" for sure. They are pretty much in a massive lose situation now. If they win the super bowl they won't get the credit. And if they lose everyone will pile on the insults. Not to mention the nfl is going to blow up their draft picks.
 
I guess the Tigers should ask Baseball to take back Norm's Cash's batting title of .361 then? Or Reggie Jackson sticking his hip out in the WS so many other stuff..... This type of crap happens all the time in all sports. There is much greater crap going on then balls being deflated in all sports..Move on...
 
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zyxt9 said:
Anyone have video of the INT that initiated this? Just curious if the guy makes any obvious expressions or anything to indicate his awareness that the ball was deflated. Pretty interesting he picked up on it, seems in the adrenaline of the moment the recognition and awareness to give the ball to the Colts staff is pretty impressive. Most guys would be too busy celebrating to notice it, which could explain why it had previously gone unnoticed by opponents.
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I couldn't find any video of D'Quell Jackson reacting like something was wrong with the ball. But this is what's being reported.

On Monday night, WCVB-TV (Ch. 5) sports anchor Mike Lynch reported that Colts linebacker D'Qwell Jackson, who intercepted Tom Brady in the second quarter of Sunday's game, told Indy coach Chuck Pagano that the ball felt deflated.

Newsday's Bob Glauber, citing "a person familiar with the background of the matter," also reported that Jackson "gave the ball to a member of the Colts' equipment staff, who noticed the ball seemed underinflated and then notified" Pagano. Glauber reports that Colts general manager Ryan Grigson was then notified in the press box and contacted NFL director of football operations Mike Kensil, who then communicated the information to the officials on the field at halftime.
 
manchild98 said:
My understanding is those 12 balls are not used for kicking. There are 8 separate footballs that are marked for kicking for each game. Now the Ravens are saying they think the kicking balls were underinflated during their playoff game.

But they "cheated" for sure. They are pretty much in a massive lose situation now. If they win the super bowl they won't get the credit. And if they lose everyone will pile on the insults. Not to mention the nfl is going to blow up their draft picks.
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It's just unfortunate of the NFL. But the Patriots have a history of cheating. At a minimum any Pat coach or player who knew about it should be banned from the Super Bowl, but we all know that ain't happening. They'll get a huge fine and lose a couple draft picks.
 
Jesus all you nannies... This happens in every sport.. It's called trying to get a edge on your competition.. Sorry but this type of stuff has been going on for years IN ALL SPORTS.
 
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So since it happens in all sports, they shouldn't be punished when they are caught?
 
biggunsbob said:
Jesus all you nannies... This happens in every sport.. It's called trying to get a edge on your competition.. Sorry but this type of stuff has been going on for years IN ALL SPORTS.
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right...and if you get caught you have to pay a penalty.
 
byco42 said:
And an official ... how did any of them not know?
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The officials aren't gripping the ball and squeezing it like the players are. They're tossing it under handed back and forth a few yards. The QB is the one who rubs down the balls before the game and makes sure he likes them grip wise.

This would have helped the Pats offense all game long, would have helped the QB and the receivers obviously, but also the center who snaps the ball, and the RB, who has a history of fumbling, hold onto the ball and run more confidently. And you know if they did it in this game they did it against the Ravens too in a cold weather game. The Ravens played the Pats on the 10th at Foxboro, temps were in the high teens low 20s.
 
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I think the Ravens accusation if true prolly had a bigger impact than did the colts/pats game?

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2015/01/21/patriots-footballs-under-inflated/

Now the Baltimore Ravens, who lost to the Patriots in the divisional round of the playoffs, believe that kicking balls they used during the game were under-inflated. CBS Sports reports that the Ravens kicking and punting units believed that the kicking balls weren’t getting its normal depth and distance
 
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