No one cares Mosley signed with the fins?

[Mitchrapp]

Andre Fluellen is a AAAA player.

He is Mike Hessmen, for those who are Tiger fans.

2008 was the year of Mike Hessman. Near .300 with a huge OPS.

 

[LKP]

Tyrunn Walker played 13 less snaps than Fairley did

Walker had 1.5 more sacks (2.5 to 1), 2 less hits and 3 less hurries than Fairley.

2.5 sacks, 1 hit and 14 hurries is very impressive by Walker in a 3-4. Walker can pass rush. 1 sack, 3 hits and 17 hurries for the all world Fairley. Can't wait to see him in this scheme playing 16 games unlike Fairley.

 

[Mitchrapp]

Tyrunn Walker played 13 less snaps than Fairley did

Walker had 1.5 more sacks (2.5 to 1), 2 less hits and 3 less hurries than Fairley.

2.5 sacks, 1 hit and 14 hurries is very impressive by Walker in a 3-4. Walker can pass rush. 1 sack, 3 hits and 17 hurries for the all world Fairley. Can't wait to see him in this scheme playing 16 games unlike Fairley.

There inlies the problem, the 3-4. Just another guy we got who will be moving to a new system.

 

[LKP]

There inlies the problem, the 3-4. Just another guy we got who will be moving to a new system.

A system that fits him better. Attack attack attack

 

[cheeno]

Tyrunn Walker played 13 less snaps than Fairley did

Walker had 1.5 more sacks (2.5 to 1), 2 less hits and 3 less hurries than Fairley.

2.5 sacks, 1 hit and 14 hurries is very impressive by Walker in a 3-4. Walker can pass rush. 1 sack, 3 hits and 17 hurries for the all world Fairley. Can't wait to see him in this scheme playing 16 games unlike Fairley.

In 16 games. No one has ever asked him to be more than a situational interior pass rusher. Ngata is in his 30s and has played less and less snaps every year. Their snaps combined couldn't equal one Suh.

 

[LKP]

In 16 games. No one has ever asked him to be more than a situational interior pass rusher. Ngata is in his 30s and has played less and less snaps every year. Their snaps combined couldn't equal one Suh.

Walker can play more easily. Perfect fit in this scheme. Ngata will play plenty. The rookie has talent and Reid is looking good so far too in year 2.

 

[cheeno]

How is Reid looking good so far? Do you have him on your Grindr app?

 

[inkfreq]

The point is Fairley only played a handful of snaps more than Walker, but he did it in half the games as Walker.

Is this guy going to get gassed and turn into a limp noodle in the 4th quarter?

Walker played as a backup in 16 games, and took nearly as many snaps as Fairley did in 8 games. There is nothing thus far to suggest this man has the gas tank to go all game.

Your argument here is weak because you're comparing part time situational starts to a guy playing twice as much in half the time, and expecting Walker to be able to do the same this season.

 

[LKP]

Walker was a beast in the same number of snaps Fairley was a beast. It proves he is a good player. I can't wait to see him in this scheme.

 

[brewer229]

Ink gets it.

The fact is we are comparing a rotational guy that gets to play fully rested vs a disappointing/borderline bust guy with a questionable motor playing many more snaps a game. We are impressed the part time player puts up similar stats to a lazy/injured possible bust in similar amount of total snaps?

 

[boogerlovejoy]

The point is Fairley only played a handful of snaps more than Walker, but he did it in half the games as Walker.

Is this guy going to get gassed and turn into a limp noodle in the 4th quarter?

Walker played as a backup in 16 games, and took nearly as many snaps as Fairley did in 8 games. There is nothing thus far to suggest this man has the gas tank to go all game.

Your argument here is weak because you're comparing part time situational starts to a guy playing twice as much in half the time, and expecting Walker to be able to do the same this season.

While I understand your argument.....what evidence is there to suggest Walker can't handle a much larger role?

It's an honest question i'm asking. Maybe there are quotes from Sean Payton out there that say that's all he can handle. I don't know. But unless there is actually some sort of evidence like that.....I can't find anything to suggest he can't handle it. It's a time will tell situation.

He did what he was asked to do last year. That's all a player can do.

Justin Verlander had a somewhat restricted pitch count his first year (99 pitches/start.....only season under 100 in his career)....maybe year and a half.....in the majors. It doesn't mean he COULDN'T have handled a bigger role......just meant that is all they asked him to do.

 

[cheeno]

Just because we actually haven't found Bigfoot doesn't mean he may not exist. Hey we may find Bigfoot in a couple years and Walker may be able to play 85% of the snaps like Suh did. All we know is that we haven't found Bigfoot and walker has never played a starter (not to mention Suh starter reps). It's a legitmate concern, we replaced three guys who played starter snaps with two who didn't. Reid and the Rook will play significant snaps.

 

[inkfreq]

While I understand your argument.....what evidence is there to suggest Walker can't handle a much larger role?

It's an honest question i'm asking. Maybe there are quotes from Sean Payton out there that say that's all he can handle. I don't know. But unless there is actually some sort of evidence like that.....I can't find anything to suggest he can't handle it. It's a time will tell situation.

He did what he was asked to do last year. That's all a player can do.

Justin Verlander had a somewhat restricted pitch count his first year (99 pitches/start.....only season under 100 in his career)....maybe year and a half.....in the majors. It doesn't mean he COULDN'T have handled a bigger role......just meant that is all they asked him to do.

There is absolutely ZERO evidence that he can't handle a larger role.

My argument with LKP is his assumption that because they played nearly identical snaps with nearly identical stats doesn't mean they are the same player.

What we do know, for fact, is he's never played a lot of snaps per game. We don't know if that's talent, grooming, situational coaching, or cardio leading to that.

But Fairley was a beast before the injury last season. You can bet if N.O. had a guy "just as good", he wouldn't have been playing as a backup.

I have no reason to suspect he can't play at a high level with a much bigger role, but I think it's foolish to say the D-line will be just as good or better under the assumption that he automatically will play at that level.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

There is absolutely ZERO evidence that he can't handle a larger role.

My argument with LKP is his assumption that because they played nearly identical snaps with nearly identical stats doesn't mean they are the same player.

What we do know, for fact, is he's never played a lot of snaps per game. We don't know if that's talent, grooming, situational coaching, or cardio leading to that.

But Fairley was a beast before the injury last season. You can bet if N.O. had a guy "just as good", he wouldn't have been playing as a backup.

I have no reason to suspect he can't play at a high level with a much bigger role, but I think it's foolish to say the D-line will be just as good or better under the assumption that he automatically will play at that level.

Gotcha......and in NO way am I trying to make the argument that Walker is as good as Fairley.....it just seems that just because LKP makes the point that Walker could play a bigger role......everyone is then quick to assume that he can't.

I certainly don't expect anyone to play 85% of snaps this year like Suh did last year. His stamina at that size and weight are part of what make Suh a physical freak. But I can see Walker playing at a 65% rate in the Lions DT rotation and.... hopefully.... being successful.

 

[boogerlovejoy]

Just because we actually haven't found Bigfoot doesn't mean he may not exist. Hey we may find Bigfoot in a couple years and Walker may be able to play 85% of the snaps like Suh did. All we know is that we haven't found Bigfoot and walker has never played a starter (not to mention Suh starter reps). It's a legitmate concern, we replaced three guys who played starter snaps with two who didn't. Reid and the Rook will play significant snaps.

Very few DT's in the NFL can play at an 85% of snap rate like Suh. He is truly a freak of nature with his combination of size......strength.....talent and stamina. He is Suhperman of NFL DT's.

Expecting Walker to play at that rate would be insane. However, expecting him to be able to handle a larger role in a rotation is reasonable. Reid and Wright will, and should, play a large part in the rotation.

Without injuries......I would expect the starters, Ngata and ???, to play 2/3 of snaps and the two main reserves to play at about 1/3.

Though he is not a Lion at this point in time......I HAVE to assume Fluellen will get a couple snaps this year, too....I think it's some sort of team mandate!!!!

 

[inkfreq]

Gotcha......and in NO way am I trying to make the argument that Walker is as good as Fairley.....it just seems that just because LKP makes the point that Walker could play a bigger role......everyone is then quick to assume that he can't.

I certainly don't expect anyone to play 85% of snaps this year like Suh did last year. His stamina at that size and weight are part of what make Suh a physical freak. But I can see Walker playing at a 65% rate in the Lions DT rotation and.... hopefully.... being successful.

I don't think even pie in the sky LKP can expect Walker, Ngata, or anyone else to play at the percentage of snaps Suh did, because no one ever has.

I just think it's foolish to assume Walker is going to be able to play a ton of snaps when he never has. It's great to hope, and I am hoping this guy is better for our defense than Fairley was, and I think we have a lot of reason for that hope.

But LKP is stating he can play a great number of snaps like it's a pre-gone conclusion, like it's already a fact just because his numbers in 16 games were similar to Fairley's numbers in 8 games.

 

[LKP]

Ngata played 546 snaps in 12 games. 45.5 game

45.5*16=728 snaps. Suh was 875. 55 snaps a game. 147 less snaps is no big deal. 9-10 snaps a game. Wright and Walker and Reid can handle that.

And Suh could have played so many because Fairley was hurt half the year.

If Mosley can play 500 snaps, Walker can play more than that. Mosley was 33 snaps a game (missed Atl game).

Fairley played 40 snaps per game and was considered a low motor guy. Walker can do that for 16 games. Or Reid or Wright. Whoever steps up and takes the job. Reid has been looking great.

 

[tonyballs]

A system that fits him better. Attack attack attack

A system that the kid drools over as well. He wanted to play in this system, so it's NOT a problem

 

[tonyballs]

Gotcha......and in NO way am I trying to make the argument that Walker is as good as Fairley.....it just seems that just because LKP makes the point that Walker could play a bigger role......everyone is then quick to assume that he can't.

I certainly don't expect anyone to play 85% of snaps this year like Suh did last year. His stamina at that size and weight are part of what make Suh a physical freak. But I can see Walker playing at a 65% rate in the Lions DT rotation and.... hopefully.... being successful.

Don't forget about Wright and Reid in the mix now. BOTH players were turning heads during OTA's..especially Reid.

 

[tonyballs]

Just because we actually haven't found Bigfoot doesn't mean he may not exist. Hey we may find Bigfoot in a couple years and Walker may be able to play 85% of the snaps like Suh did. All we know is that we haven't found Bigfoot and walker has never played a starter (not to mention Suh starter reps). It's a legitmate concern, we replaced three guys who played starter snaps with two who didn't. Reid and the Rook will play significant snaps.

There's your problem right there. NOBODY is coming in and being the next Suh. Again, you guys have already set yourself up for failure.