NRA wasn't always so crazy

[redandguilty]

FYI, I've recently warmed significantly to the idea that violent videogames and other media play a role in some of this.

 

[tinselwolverine]

The FDA and AMA are silent and no one is blowing a spot light on either organization. There's a relationship that the power-brokers do not want to examine, because it would cost them. No one is calling these organizations to testify before Congress or appear on the Sunday talk circuit. Yet everyone says the NRA is in it for the money only. The focus on the NRA is the handkerchief the magician waves to distract the audience.

Well, byco, assuming everything in the list is true, you have a point-no one-or hardly anyone-is saying anything about any of this.

Edit: I would have gone with "shining a whistle" instead of "blowing a spotlight."

 

[redandguilty]

Well, byco, assuming everything in the list is true, you have a point-no one-or hardly anyone-is saying anything about any of this.

Edit: I would have gone with "shining a whistle" instead of "blowing a spotlight."

Good point...highlighting the novelty of byco's point. I haven't heard it elsewhere and I am letting the idea roll around in my head a bit. My response wasn't entirely fair to the idea either; I posted too quickly.

 

[byco42]

Well, byco, assuming everything in the list is true, you have a point-no one-or hardly anyone-is saying anything about any of this.

Edit: I would have gone with "shining a whistle" instead of "blowing a spotlight."

It's just all part of the puzzle that has to be accounted for and I've heard exactly squat from the major pundits on the major networks. Not at all shocking, since many Pharma companies spend billions in media buys with them.

 

[byco42]

Well, byco, assuming everything in the list is true, you have a point-no one-or hardly anyone-is saying anything about any of this.

Edit: I would have gone with "shining a whistle" instead of "blowing a spotlight."

"Blow some light" is a film/video term I'm used to using on the job. Kind of axiomatic, actually. It illustrates the need to illuminate an essential area that appears as completely black on the monitor.

 

[biggunsbob]

To say med's may kill more then guns is disingenuous... Again There probably is a correlation with what Byco said but there are way more people saved by med's then are killed by Guns.. My dad for one is on anti-depressants along with all his other med's that are help keeping him alive at 84... He would be dead if it was not for modern Medicine keeping him alive so the Lions can finally win a super bowl
There has to be a answer for this.. There is no reason why back ground checks cannot help There is no reason we need assault weapons on the street or large ammo clips... We have to stop the gun show loop holes.. But we have to look at everything.. It just amazes me how much power the NRA has.. They are bully's that is for sure... I am very glad my dad saw through them and tore up his NRA card 5 years ago..

 

[Thumb]

Prescription drugs kill a lot more people in the U.S. each year than do people who abuse guns. And every one of these mass-killings in the recent past were committed by people who were either taking some brand of anti-depressant or just coming off taking one. The FDA and AMA are silent and no one is blowing a spot light on either organization. There's a relationship that the power-brokers do not want to examine, because it would cost them. No one is calling these organizations to testify before Congress or appear on the Sunday talk circuit. Yet everyone says the NRA is in it for the money only. The focus on the NRA is the handkerchief the magician waves to distract the audience. Prescription drugs obviously play a major role in these incidents ... and ... *crickets*

I don't think anyone is saying the only problem we have is the NRA. Obviously several government and private lobbys have deep seeded corruption.

But the idea the NRA is protecting anyone's right is laughable. The NRA is simply the lobbying arm of the gun manufacturers and related special interests.

The NRA's biggest claim is they are protecting our Second Amendment rights, which nobody is threatening. even if assault weapons are banned, people will still have the right to keep and bear arms.

The only thing the NRA protects is special interest money, and money from the pockets of the people dumb enough to be members.

 

[Michchamp]

I don't think anyone is saying the only problem we have is the NRA. Obviously several government and private lobbys have deep seeded corruption.

But the idea the NRA is protecting anyone's right is laughable. The NRA is simply the lobbying arm of the gun manufacturers and related special interests.

The NRA's biggest claim is they are protecting our Second Amendment rights, which nobody is threatening. even if assault weapons are banned, people will still have the right to keep and bear arms.

The only thing the NRA protects is special interest money, and money from the pockets of the people dumb enough to be members.

the dumb enough part deserves to be underlined and in bold.

 

[Michchamp]

I do agree with Byco to some extent. I think that big pharma definitely needs to be checked, especially with psycho-tropic/psycho-active drugs. However, like Thumb said, this isn't the only problem here, and the bottom line is, crazy people should not have access to firearms, period, and there are going to be crazy people regardless of what the drug companies produce.

trying to take on both of these insanely powerful lobbies at the same time would be an exercise in futility.

 

[byco42]

I am for background checks. I am for closing the gun-show loophole. But let the states determine the ban on weapons and their extent.

I don't know how effective these measures will be in keeping guns and crazy people separated, but I'm willing to give it a shot. (bad choice of words).

 

[zyxt9]

Yeah, you really have to wonder about the imbalances that are created when people use psych drugs. Just like how other medical drugs end up causing more problems (take this pill for your heart, but it will cause liver problems, so take this pill, but it will cause kidney problems, so take this pill, but you can only take it if you are not experiencing heart problems, if so then take this other pill, but only if you are not having any liver problems, if so then take 10 different pills all at once, bend over and kiss your ass goodbye).

Gotta figure there are documented and undocumented side effects to taking psych drugs. the brain is wired as a whole and changing the behavior in one part typically results in other areas of the brain compensating for the reduction of performance, but not as effectively. sort of like how some blind people have retrained their brain to hear better and have learned how to navigate using sonar to "see" their world. Not to mention no two people have the same brains so I don't believe it is possible to pop a generalized pill and get the exact same results across the board. maybe most brains react to the drugs in a positive manner, but it will never be a 100% cure-all, and those who react outside the norm will likely have greater problems than before because the brain is struggling even more. filters they once had become blocked by the drugs and the brain isn't able to recreate the filter as effectively the second time around, and the person "snaps".

best solution is to remove all possible weapons. we need to get NASA better funding so they can launch all these rocks that are lying around everywhere out into space, away from the reach of those who might use them as weapons. after all, people don't kill people...weapons do.

 

[redandguilty]

Didn't want to start another gun law thread, but this article has lots of statistics.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national...-in-america/272727/?google_editors_picks=true

 

[Slick]

Chris Wallace bitch slapped that LaPirerre clown yesterday on Fox.