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OSU may have their own Nassar style scandal brewing

A 4th wrestler has come forward saying the Congressman knew

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...p-jim-jordan-knew-abuse-ohio-state/761604002/

There was some talk about the first accuser being a shady character that goes from lawsuit to lawsuit with an axe to grind against OSU, but now you've got multiple accusers.


And now, Trump is weighing in.
"I don?t believe them at all. I believe him. Jim Jordan is one of the most outstanding people I?ve met since I?ve been in Washington," Trump said. I believe him 100 percent. No question in my mind. I believe Jim Jordan 100 percent. He?s an outstanding man."
 
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Of course Trump defended Jordan, Jordan is trying to sidetrack the Russia Investigation as much as Nunes is.
 
people love to point and laugh at those stories, but they really do fuck up entire families, and anyone else involved who was deceived.

as society has gotten more accepting of homosexuality, hopefully these stories happen less and less, as fewer people feel a need to live a lie.

I don't know if this was directed at my story or not, but it relates to this whole OSU story. Abuse and creepiness are 2 different things and I think people get these things confused. The whole locker room knew of this guy's creepiness and touchy reputation(that's a given it seems), BUT not everyone knew of sexual abuse. That is the part Jordan is claiming he did not know. And it seems in this day and age we all have a different interpretation of abuse. Lets wait for all the facts to come out before we burn Jim Jordan. It's getting too political right now(here). This guy a has 2 things working against him on this forum, 1) he's a Republican and there are many Dems on this forum, and 2) he's an OSU grad. That there is certain guilt around here. Also, we may never know the whole story, because this turd doctor died in 2006.
 
I don't know if this was directed at my story or not, but it relates to this whole OSU story. Abuse and creepiness are 2 different things and I think people get these things confused. The whole locker room knew of this guy's creepiness and touchy reputation(that's a given it seems), BUT not everyone knew of sexual abuse. That is the part Jordan is claiming he did not know. And it seems in this day and age we all have a different interpretation of abuse. Lets wait for all the facts to come out before we burn Jim Jordan. It's getting too political right now(here). This guy a has 2 things working against him on this forum, 1) he's a Republican and there are many Dems on this forum, and 2) he's an OSU grad. That there is certain guilt around here. Also, we may never know the whole story, because this turd doctor died in 2006.


These are good points.



And not to conflate this issue with other descriptions of 'locker room talk', but saying something like "he better not try that will me or I'll kick his ass" (or whatever it is Jordan is supposed to have said) over something that is creepy, but not something that would get reported back in the day is very much in line with typical locker room talk. Saying you'll kick anybody's ass for even the smallest thing was very normal locker room talk. It doesn't prove Jordan knew the scale of things.
 
I don't know if this was directed at my story or not, but it relates to this whole OSU story. Abuse and creepiness are 2 different things and I think people get these things confused. The whole locker room knew of this guy's creepiness and touchy reputation(that's a given it seems), BUT not everyone knew of sexual abuse. That is the part Jordan is claiming he did not know. And it seems in this day and age we all have a different interpretation of abuse. Lets wait for all the facts to come out before we burn Jim Jordan. It's getting too political right now(here). This guy a has 2 things working against him on this forum, 1) he's a Republican and there are many Dems on this forum, and 2) he's an OSU grad. That there is certain guilt around here. Also, we may never know the whole story, because this turd doctor died in 2006.


Yeah, it was in response to your story. It sounds like your coach might've behaved in a creepy manner, but wasn't abusive to a criminal degree, like the physicians employed by some universities we know...


My point was that in theory, if there wasn't a stigma attached to being homosexual or bisexual, guys like that might be open about their sexuality, and not hiding visits to gay prostitutes from their wife and kids, or maybe even not having a wife and kids in the first place.



Gay rights have already changed a lot in our lifetimes, and hopefully, going forward, there will be less of these types of stories.


The OSU team physician on the other hand, was just an abusive, predatory, scumbag.
 
"'A cesspool of deviancy?: New claims of voyeurism test Jordan denial". in this article, even Jim Jordan's defenders admit that the situation was pervy and abusive:

Larkins Hall, the building that housed athletic teams, became such a well-known target that people who frequented it at the time have reminisced in anonymous postings online how easy it was to ogle naked members of the wrestling team.

The situation was so egregious that former wrestling head coach Russ Hellickson would at times have to physically drag the gawkers out of the building, several sources familiar with his actions at the time said. Hellickson also pleaded with the university multiple times to move their athletes to a private facility, the sources said. Jordan served as Hellickson?s No. 2, and the coach has been described as Jordan?s mentor.

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?Was there some deviant behavior? ? Was there behavior when guys were coming into the sauna and showers, was there sexual misconduct? No one is denying that,? said ex-OSU wrestler George Pardos of Larkins Hall in an interview. He defended Jordan as ?one of the most honest men I?ve ever known.?

The rest of the wrestlers interviewed by the story claim Jordan had to have known about it, and another said he witnessed once yell at a guy ogling wrestlers to get out of the showers.

Now... a couple things occured to me as I read this:

1) I suppose at some point Jordan et al might try to spin this as "Hey, what do you have against homosexuality? the people complaining are the real bigots here!"

But the issue here is this activity was all non-consensual, and the faculty and staff had a duty to protect their athletes and provide safe facilities for them to train in and yet allowed it to go on.

I don't think a coach throwing up his hands and saying "the university won't build us private showers... what can I do?" is under any circumstances an adequate response, to put it mildly.

2) it doesn't happen as much anymore, but I remember both on the interwebs and in real life OSU fans criticising UM for being "too gay" i.e. "tolerant." It's a little ironic some more conservative OSU fans sometimes try to spin the rivalry as a battle between "liberal decadent UM" and a "conservative wholesome OSU" when shit like that described in the article was going on for decades in their showers...

I've never been to Columbus, but have heard stories from people who lived there that it has some pretty rowdy public events, including a couple people from California of all places who said the Columbus Pride parade was WAY raunchier than any other they'd ever been to, including San Francisco.

That's cool and all, but I wish they'd at least own up to it, instead of acting like they're above all that. why is it that the "holier than thou" types always end up being the biggest pervs out there?!?

I mean despite being described by dumbasses as "The People's Republic of Ann Arbor" it only really has... Hash Bash... which is just a bunch of people getting high. The Naked Mile was more or less banned over 15 years ago. i think my freshman year was the last time the University didn't actively try to shut it down. then there's the Art Fair which is incredibly tame.
 
Gay rights have already changed a lot in our lifetimes, and hopefully, going forward, there will be less of these types of stories.


Gay rights have changed a little. Attitudes towards homosexuality have evolved dramatically. But I'm being too technical and that is what you meant. Back to the coffee pot.
 
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Gay rights have changed a little. Attitudes towards homosexuality have evolved dramatically. But I'm being too technical and that is what you meant. Back to the coffee pot.

at least more people recognize it's not a "lifestyle choice," which was pretty unbelievable to me, even back in the 90's when I remember hearing adults argue about it. once you get there, it becomes a lot harder to justify discrimination. (not that some don't still do it.)
 
"Gym Jordan" blaming his role in child molestation from 20yrs ago on Hillary Clinton.


Makes an ass of himself grilling Rosenstein and now blames "the deep state" on something he did when Bill was POTUS.


Fucking pathetic, disgusting and horrible. Just horrible.






And let's please not conflate being homosexual with child molestation.
 
I thought they were watching adult male athletes take showers...
 
It early in the process, but OSU looks to be taking the opposite approach from MSU with regard to transparency. They didn't hire the verbal report firm that's been so popular and they've created a website to distribute information from. Provided the findings actually make it to the website, this looks to be a far more transparent approach.


https://compliance.osu.edu/strauss-investigation.html
 
It early in the process, but OSU looks to be taking the opposite approach from MSU with regard to transparency. They didn't hire the verbal report firm that's been so popular and they've created a website to distribute information from. Provided the findings actually make it to the website, this looks to be a far more transparent approach.


https://compliance.osu.edu/strauss-investigation.html

Good for them. I'm sick of reading about this stuff and in need of seeing someone in America step up and right a wrong.

Seeing Engler and the rest of the creeps in East Lansing take the asshole "we're accountable to no one" approach of the powerful and the connected was just too much. MSU flushed their reputation down the toilet, and blew an opportunity to clean their house. expect this to be a recurring issue for them.
 
I should add, this is also surprising coming from OSU.

but I'd rather our rivals not also be cartoonishly sleazy, like they were so long under Tressel.
 
Uh... so there's now apparently a Jeffrey Epstein tie to this Ohio State scandal, via the Wexners (Victoria's Secret founder & his wife) who were Ohio State benefactors (link):
former Ohio State University wrestlers who have accused their alma mater of failing to protect them from Dr. Richard Strauss have formally asked the state?s inspector general to investigate the school?s relationship with wealthy financier Jeffrey Epstein.

In addition, the wrestlers requested that Ohio Inspector General Randall Meyer probe allegations that Abigail Wexner -- who along with her husband, Leslie, are two of OSU?s biggest benefactors -- ?helped Jeffrey Epstein sexually assault a young woman named Maria Farmer."

Also... looks like we missed this when it came out:
Independent investigators with the law firm Perkins Coie released a damning report last year which concluded that coaches and administrators at OSU knew Strauss was abusing young men but made no attempt to stop him.

Guess I was wrong when I surmised OSU would do better than MSU here. why did I ever think that, I can't even...
 
I wonder why OSU is getting away with sweeping this under the rug so to speak. Is it because it involved "adult" men rather than boys (PSU) or girls (MSU)? With these sorts of things happening at PSU, MSU, and OSU I kind of wonder if they happen more commonly than thought (for example the whole catholic priest/molesters scandal) rather than being isolated incidents.
 
I wonder why OSU is getting away with sweeping this under the rug so to speak. Is it because it involved "adult" men rather than boys (PSU) or girls (MSU)? With these sorts of things happening at PSU, MSU, and OSU I kind of wonder if they happen more commonly than thought (for example the whole catholic priest/molesters scandal) rather than being isolated incidents.

Maybe.

Maybe we're just getting that jaded as a society.

OSU also likely have a more experienced crisis management protocol after all their scandals. The administrations at PSU and MSU slept through theirs, until they blew up at the 11th hour
 
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