OSU Self-imposing...

[tinselwolverine]

hey, at least they didn't molest anybody...

Which happens to be their new team motto for the remainder of the season:

"THE Ohio State University: At least we didn't molest anybody."

We don't know that.

All that we know is currently, we are unaware of any allegations.

 

[hungry]

5 scholarships over 3 years? 2, 2, and 1? That isn't much of a penalty...

 

[Michchamp]

i thought it was 5 per year. if not, yeah, I agree with you. slap on the wrist.

 

[Mitchrapp]

5 scholarships over 3 years? 2, 2, and 1? That isn't much of a penalty...

Seems pretty week.

 

[byco42]

Ohio States has to do with trying to better their football program through cheating both directly and indirectly. What happened at PSU was a crime committed and it has nothing to do with football or it's program imo. I don't think PSU should receive any sports penalties. This is a legal issue, not a sports issue. If a professor rapes a child and the university covers it up, I don't think they should take that class away. This was was not an effort to better the program through cheating so I see no reason to punish it. The university needs to be sued.

Ya think that this sort of disclosure at the time might have deterred some of PSU players from coming there? I do. You think that, now that this horrid story is out, that it will influence recruits to reconsider and others to look elsewhere? I do. So it did have an influence on the football program and this is a football matter, and I think that PSU should be given penalties before unseen and unimagined.

The death penalty is too good for it.

 

[tinselwolverine]

Ohio States has to do with trying to better their football program through cheating both directly and indirectly. What happened at PSU was a crime committed and it has nothing to do with football or it's program imo. I don't think PSU should receive any sports penalties. This is a legal issue, not a sports issue. If a professor rapes a child and the university covers it up, I don't think they should take that class away. This was was not an effort to better the program through cheating so I see no reason to punish it. The university needs to be sued.

Ya think that this sort of disclosure at the time might have deterred some of PSU players from coming there? I do. You think that, now that this horrid story is out, that it will influence recruits to reconsider and others to look elsewhere? I do. So it did have an influence on the football program and this is a football matter, and I think that PSU should be given penalties before unseen and unimagined.

The death penalty is too good for it.

According to statements made by NCAA represdentatives (can't remember their names) the NCAA is current a loooong way from getting involved in this criminal matter in any manner.

NCAA deals with recruiting violations and such, not crimes.

And as you point out, PSU is already going to pay a huuuuge price for this, NCAA involvement not withstanding.

 

[Michchamp]

I'd imagine there is some sort of NCAA penalty on the books that could encompass criminal issues though.

they probably have some catch-all provision for "conduct unbecoming of an association member" or something like that.

 

[silverbullet97]

I'd imagine there is some sort of NCAA penalty on the books that could encompass criminal issues though.

they probably have some catch-all provision for "conduct unbecoming of an association member" or something like that.

I don't see the NCAA coming after PSU. There is not much they could do to hurt the people involved (except maybe the coach that initially walked in). I think the NCAA would rather get this whole saga out of the news as fast as possible. The Internets disagree though. This is what I have seen tossed out on a couple of message boards:

NCAA Bylaw 19.01.2

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Title: 19.01.2 - Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.

 

[TheVictors]

I'd imagine there is some sort of NCAA penalty on the books that could encompass criminal issues though.

they probably have some catch-all provision for "conduct unbecoming of an association member" or something like that.

I don't see the NCAA coming after PSU. There is not much they could do to hurt the people involved (except maybe the coach that initially walked in). I think the NCAA would rather get this whole saga out of the news as fast as possible. The Internets disagree though. This is what I have seen tossed out on a couple of message boards:

NCAA Bylaw 19.01.2

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Title: 19.01.2 - Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.

You didn't cite your research source, BBB!

 

[Michchamp]

I'd imagine there is some sort of NCAA penalty on the books that could encompass criminal issues though.

they probably have some catch-all provision for "conduct unbecoming of an association member" or something like that.

I don't see the NCAA coming after PSU. There is not much they could do to hurt the people involved (except maybe the coach that initially walked in). I think the NCAA would rather get this whole saga out of the news as fast as possible. The Internets disagree though. ...

I agree with you and not the internets.

At this point, it seems like Penn St is really going to clean house, so you're right, the NCAA doesn't need to do anything. But if they weren't going to go far enough, I think the NCAA would drop some hints that they were "looking into the events in Happy Valley."

 

[silverbullet97]

I don't see the NCAA coming after PSU. There is not much they could do to hurt the people involved (except maybe the coach that initially walked in). I think the NCAA would rather get this whole saga out of the news as fast as possible. The Internets disagree though. This is what I have seen tossed out on a couple of message boards:

NCAA Bylaw 19.01.2

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Title: 19.01.2 - Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.

You didn't cite your research source, BBB!

I copied her post directly but am pretty sure I saw it somewhere else also (Maybe ESPN). Either way, I still dont think the NCAA should be involved with this.

 

[TheVictors]

You didn't cite your research source, BBB!

I copied her post directly but am pretty sure I saw it somewhere else also (Maybe ESPN). Either way, I still dont think the NCAA should be involved with this.

We're in complete agreement there and I think you are in the minority of OSU fans who aren't looking at Penn State and saying, "See ... see, that's MUCH worse! Throw the book at them!" Not an NCAA issue for me.

 

[beez]

I bet Jim Tressel touched Pryor's T-Peezy at least once.

 

[tinselwolverine]

I'd imagine there is some sort of NCAA penalty on the books that could encompass criminal issues though.

they probably have some catch-all provision for "conduct unbecoming of an association member" or something like that.

I don't see the NCAA coming after PSU. There is not much they could do to hurt the people involved (except maybe the coach that initially walked in). I think the NCAA would rather get this whole saga out of the news as fast as possible. The Internets disagree though. This is what I have seen tossed out on a couple of message boards:

NCAA Bylaw 19.01.2

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Title: 19.01.2 - Exemplary Conduct.
Individuals employed by or associated with member institutions for the administration, the conduct or the coaching of intercollegiate athletics are, in the final analysis, teachers of young people. Their responsibility is an affirmative one, and they must do more than avoid improper conduct or questionable acts. Their own moral values must be so certain and positive that those younger and more pliable will be influenced by a fine example. Much more is expected of them than of the less critically placed citizen.

Yeah, and also some pundit who was asked (who didn't think the NCAA would or should get involved) noted there could broadly be "lack of institutional control" grounds for NCAA involvement.

So technically and hypothetically, I suppose the NCAA could find grounds to get involved - but the NCAA spokespeople I heard (again, don't remember whom) were indicating that first the legal (both criminal and civil) matters have to play themselves out - and that is gonna take quite some time.

So I doubt this matter is ever taken up by the NCAA.

 

[michlady77]

the ncaa psu thing could come done to ethical behavior - there is something in ncaa about that

 

[Michchamp]

I bet Jim Tressel touched Pryor's T-Peezy at least once.

Everyone: for the record, Beez was the first one to go here, not me.

 

[TheVictors]

I don't know -- just yesterday the NCAA adds possible "lack of monitoring" which is LOIC-lite.

Perhaps the NCAA is beginning to feel as if it looks foolish with all these scandals and will re-assert its authority on those cases still pending and aside from PSU's on going situation.

 

[beez]

I bet Jim Tressel touched Pryor's T-Peezy at least once.

Everyone: for the record, Beez was the first one to go here, not me.

Jealous...